Is that some sort of alternate universe sound science forum? This sound science forum has never made that assertion! When listening at a reasonable level to music recordings, then -60dB is a reasonable rough generalisation as an audibility threshold (for details/elements within the music) but that absolutely does NOT mean everything below -60dB is inaudible or anything above that level is audible. Under certain very rare conditions, -80dB might be audible and under others, even a 0dB (full scale) detail/element can be inaudible.
im speaking about "normal" volume levels.... dont try to hide the fact you guys advertise all the time "oh its just audible then and then" i personally dont care for the exact value
but i guess we are in the science forum AND ONLY FACTS get told around here!
So you didn’t achieve anything near the -60dB level, you seem to be arguing against yourself!
how is reaching in a test -69db and showing some other test testing at -21dB not proofing the fact that i reached -69dB in the one test, what stupid arguments are this?
It is somewhat complex but it’s hardly new, the general nature of auditory masking was known about 85 years ago! So, what “this definitely shows” is simply that you either don’t know or don’t understand the proven/demonstrated facts.
yea i take it as a fact that music can mask details, tho the both music samples are fairly bad picked imo and its highly dependent on the source material.... what about that one songs that plays a sinustone? these generalization do more harm than good IMO ... but this is my unscientific, troll, non-fact speaking, cheating opinion
If the volume was 60dBSPL then obviously the distortion would have been at -9dBSPL. The explanation, assuming you’re a human adult, is that you were not able to hear it and therefore either: You just thought you heard it and made a lucky guess, the volume was a great deal higher than 60dBSPL or you cheated some other way.
well lets take the 78dB i actually measured with the last test, lets take the FACT alright? i think it was around 70db for the first test then
Well how you explain that i got lucky twice? how often do i need to do it? i guess as long i get it right...
tho the test is no true double blind test with the way it works, for example... in the last test -69db just got tested once, thats fairly easy to get lucky... but twice UP TO -69db?
tho i admit... as i go above -50db it definitely is a subtle change... but not undetectable... as my second tried showed i actually had to close windows and turn the volume up to be more confident... (and the turned up volume was 78dB... sinustones are not that pleasent to listen to you know
so there is no point in assuming i have listen with 100db unless im deff)
You seem to have been having a discussion with yourself over the last few pages and bizarrely, disproving your own assertions, apparently without realising it?!
i havent disproving anything just because you think that music masks most details doesnt mean we cant hear a difference with the right source material..... i can give you hundreds of albums to mask details... do you want those?
And now enough, this will be also my last post to you gregorio, im sick of arguing with you both, keep your crappy worldview and i keep mine while apparently learning something new everyday