[rsabo]

For most games on wine it's pretty hit-or-miss, I know that CS & HL2 work well however.

I think the most common method is to install Windows first (most of the time on a separate partition) then linux, because Windows replaces the boot loader by default.

EDIT: Ubuntu "Dapper Drake" comes in April, I think. There's talk of pushing it back to May, however.

EDIT 2: Yeah, just checked it, new release date June 1st.

 

[mustang]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr.karmalicious Well... it's free, there's lots of open-source software available, it's secure, it's stable, and it uses less resources. That's the main idea of it, anyway... I think. I'm dual-booting Windows XP Corporate and Ubuntu at the time, and I like Ubuntu a hell of a lot. However, I have a Radeon 9600, and I, for the life of me, can NOT get dual monitors working. I just can't. That's why I'm in Windows right now, actually... .

Go to the ubuntu forums and either search or post a thread with your problem. They have a very nice helpful community, I'm sure they'll resolve your problem.

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2. What if there are some programs that I'd try running on Linux like Adobe Photoshop and Macromedia Dreamweaver, would it be possible to get it to work on Linux?

You can run Adobe Photoshop 7 but you need CrossOver Office which costs money. GIMP is an alternative but not a viable one. If you're a Photoshop power user, you will not find GIMP very handy. I wouldn't describe myself as a power user but I've logged a lot of hours on photoshop and using GIMP, I realized I would have to relearn a lot of things.

Dreamweaver MX works on linux but once again, you would need crossover office. I would reccommend trying NVU (free) and see if that satisfies your needs.

 

[trains are bad]

I'm attempting to install Suse 10. This is the first time I've tried to use Linux, but I was assured install would be really easy, like windows.

Anyway, it warns me that I'm about to install a 32 bit OS on a 64 bit processor, then it goes to the install menu. So I click on INSTALL and it 'Loads the Linux kernal'. Right after that the screen goes black. It has done this twice now.

 

[ScubaSteve87]

So what are come examples of programs that are for linux that are free? I would really like to try this, but if I can't play games and all of these windows programs won't work then whats the point? The only program I have ever used that I know I would use in linux is R (statistical computing). Any idea if any cad programs work like Solidworks or COSMOS? Are there any programs that are only for linux that a college student would find useful?

 

[Welly Wu]

There are a lot of quality replies here. As a Linux -> FreeBSD enthusiast, I can say for certain that Red Hat Fedora CORE is a high quality distribution. It is so friggin easy to install and use that it just begs you to try it out especially if you want to add UN*X knowledge to your computer skills and you have been waiting for an easy to use free Linux distribution. It is very fast especially on older hardware. It is highly compatible with modern hardware. You can install it after you have Microsoft Windows installed on your primary hard drive or partition. You can dual boot using the standard Grand Unified Boot manger which is free of charge unlike proprietary Windows boot managers. Install WINE Is Not an Emulator, and you will have the ability to install and run Microsoft Windows software on your /ext3 filesystem, which is extremely reliable and stable, with little difficulty. Everything is free of charge. You can use both Microsoft Office 2003 Professional Edition and OpenOffice 2.0.2 with maximum compatibility for your existing or new data files. Of course, the latter is a full featured open source free office suite. Mozilla FireFox and ThunderBird just run much faster, with far greater security and stability along with reliability, on Linux and most especially on FreeBSD. WINE works with FreeBSD too so you can have access to your most favorite Windows software on it. Fixing problems on Linux or FreeBSD is very logical and if you have a problem with a piece of hardware, I guarantee that there is a solution available on the Internet if you search http://www.fedoraforum.org, http://www.linuxquestions.org, or http://www.bsdforums.org . I have an external LG 5163D CD/DVD Dual Layer +/-R/RW & DVD-RAM burner that absolutely did not work with RHFC4 SELinux or CentOS (which is based of of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 AS SELinux; it is an open source, free enterprise Linux distribution that would cost $1,500 USD for the Red Hat branded version) and I found the solution to copying or burning CD-R/RW discs within 10 minutes on FedoraForum.Org and it cost me no money. I saw my friend install RHFC4 SELinux, he's going to download RHFC5 SELinux tomorrow thanks to me, and he's got a tricked out AMD64 X2 4800+ with 2GB of RAM and the thing flies faster with no compatibility problems compared to Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP-2! I am going to get on him to install FreeBSD 6.0 too and I bet it would be just as fast, but a hell of a lot more stable, reliable, and secure than Linux.

Again, there are other Linux distributions, but do not dismiss Red Hat as a "gateway" to Linux and BSD UN*X operating systems. Thanks for reading.

 

[Welly Wu]

Go see this: http://linuxcult.com/story/03052006/..._test_3_review . The official Red Hat Fedora CORE 5 Security Enhanced Linux distribution will be very close to Test #3 except it will ship with GNOME 2.14 and include more stability patches to the kernel and other critical components of the OS. Otherwise, the above web page is a good "pre-review" or "first impressions" type of heads up for those who want to try Linux.

 

[mustang]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScubaSteve87 So what are come examples of programs that are for linux that are free? I would really like to try this, but if I can't play games and all of these windows programs won't work then whats the point? The only program I have ever used that I know I would use in linux is R (statistical computing). Any idea if any cad programs work like Solidworks or COSMOS? Are there any programs that are only for linux that a college student would find useful?

Regarding games, a lot of people (including myself) dual boot to resolve that problem. I seldom touch my windows drive unless its for a) games or b)some problem I cannot solve in linux or c)photoshop & dreamweaver.

As for cad programs, I know QCAD is available under linux. I don't know about solidworks or cosmos.

Since I've only used Ubuntu, I'm kind of biased towards them and as such, I've hung around the community long enough to gather some useful links. Here's one:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists

(and of course you can use those listed programs on any linux distribution)

p.s. are you majoring in statistics?

 

[shiggins]

FC5 is out! Download speed is currently still very nippy - About to burn a DVD and get installing...

For those not subscribed to the fedora-announce-list:

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Originally Posted by fedora-announce-list Hi, my name is Fedora Core "Bordeaux", and today I am 5. When I turned 4 last year, they got a funny salesman to talk about me like I was a toy. I like toys. But today Teacher said I am a big kid, and I should talk about myself. I can do lots of big kid stuff now, and everyone tells me that I play really well with all the other kids in class, even the ones who are mean like bullies. I always try and share, which is what Teacher says is the best thing. Sharing is a really good thing to do. I like to share all my toys and books and stuff with all the other kids so that they can play with them and even learn things, too. I have a lot of neat stuff to share, so I made this cool list to tell you all about it. Teacher gave me some things to put in the list, but since I'm a big kid I think I should get to say what I want, too. * GNOME 2.14 "Improved speed and usability, and new and better features for power management, file sharing, user help, system administration, teleconferencing, picture browsing, and networking." I think it's easy enough for even my little brother to use, but Mommy and Daddy like it a lot too. * OpenOffice 2.0.2 "Enhanced productivity features, extensive compatibility with other popular office software, database connectivity functions, and improved use of system libraries for faster loading and better responsiveness overall." Mommy says she can make slide shows for work even easier than before, and Daddy uses it to organizes all our books, music, and movies in databases. * KDE 3.5.1 "New and exciting features for users and developers, including stylish and attractive applets, educational and entertaining games, incredibly standards-compliant Internet tools, and enhanced multimedia and usability." Plus it looks REALLY cool, especially when my big sister fixes it just the way she likes. * Mono "Support for .NET means a new generation of dynamic and powerful cross-platform applications, with some already included, such as Tomboy for note-taking, F-Spot for photo management, and Beagle for content searching and indexing." See, I told you I'm really good at sharing! Plus, I don't ever have a problem remembering or finding things, like pictures, homework, or messages. Mommy says she's really proud of me. * Yum-based Package Tools "Installation and software management tools are all based on the flexible and powerful yum utility for easy selection and upgrade of new and existing software." And soon, I'll even be able to get my own special software at install time! * Xen Virtualization "The best framework yet for installation, management, migration, and monitoring of software-based virtual domains, allowing system owners to effectively leverage and force-multiply existing hardware for maximum efficiency, scalability, redundancy, and flexibility." Teacher says I get more work done faster than any other kid in our class, too. * Apache HTTP Server 2.2 "Enhanced authentication, database support, proxy facilities, and content filtering, all built on the most stable and customizable platform for Web services." * Enhanced Security "Support for SELinux binary policy modules means that users and developers can now ship their own specialized policies with affected software. GCC's best of breed features, such as stack protection, NX, PIE, and compile-time buffer checks, pile on additional layers of assurance to effectively block illegal ingress." I know all my safety rules, and Mommy and Daddy say that it's really, REALLY hard for monsters to get in our house! So at school, I got awards for "Best Attendance," "Teacher's Pet," "Honor Roll," and "Good Manners," plus Teacher lets me stay after to clean the erasers until Daddy comes to pick me up. He always tells me how good I am compared to the other kids he knows and that he's really proud of me. He says it's because I'm 100% free and open source, and because I always try to do the right thing just like he and Mommy taught me. I told him I didn't just learn it from him, but from all the nice people at Red Hat and the Fedora community, who teach me new things all the time. They're all different kinds of people -- users, developers, writers, translators, testers, editors, and so many other things I can't even write it all. They're the people who make it possible to build a complete Linux platform from open source software. But they say we're not done yet, and we can ALWAYS use more friends to help, so if you think this sounds neat, you should definitely visit: * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted All right, I have to go now. There's always more things to learn and do and I am a very, extremely busy kid. 'Bye! - - - Fedora is a set of projects sponsored by Red Hat and guided by the contributors. These projects are developed by a large community of people who strive to provide and maintain the very best in free, open source software and standards. Fedora Core, the central Fedora project, is an operating system and platform, based on Linux, that is always free for anyone to use, modify, and distribute, now and forever. Fedora Core 5 is available at absolutely no cost. To download it: VIA BITTORRENT (RECOMMENDED): * http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/bor...y-i386.torrent * http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/bor...x86_64.torrent * http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/bor...ry-ppc.torrent For DVD and other formats, refer to http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ If you run an earlier version of Fedora Core, you can get BitTorrent from Fedora Extras. If you are using another platform, you can get BitTorrent at: * http://www.bittorrent.com/ VIA WEB: Visit the main Fedora download site listed below. You will be automatically redirected to a mirror of Fedora Core 5. There may be delays due to site congestion, especially in the days immediately following the release, so BitTorrent is recommended instead. * http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pu...a/linux/core/5 VIA CD/DVD: Visit the following site for a list of vendors of Fedora Core CD/DVD media: * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distri.../OnlineVendors

 

[ScubaSteve87]

Oh i am slowly getting sucked in here

I found out that solidworks won't run, but I can still use WINE to run it right? I think so

Whats the deal with WINE? Will it run slower than running a app in normal windows? Cuz cad programs can be memory and cpu hogs and if its faster in normal windows I will just use that. But I did find out that I can run Maple and possibly matlab. I just need a computer to install it on now!

 

[ameyer17]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elec There is a Windows "emulater" called WINE

WINE is not an emulator. FWIW, it's a fre implementation of the Windows API for unix-like systems. Also, FWIW, it really doesn't work well.

 

[Gabe Logan]

From what i have heared WINE will work just fine considering your system is beafy enought to handle it.I am guessing just like everything else more RAM is key.

 

[ScubaSteve87]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe Logan From what i have heared WINE will work just fine considering your system is beafy enought to handle it.I am guessing just like everything else more RAM is key.

Yeah but if its slower than windows and I am running mostly windows programs then whats the point? Thats what i am wondering, how fast it is. I would like to try linux for some of the computing I do at school, but if I just end up emulating windows programs and running slower, well there is no point.

 

[Welly Wu]

Running Windows software on WINE is about 5% slower than on Microsoft Windows. Your computer's CPU(s) and RAM will determine how many Windows software applications you can run and how fast under Linux and WINE. WINE does break, but it is considerably improved over the earlier code, so ensure that you download the most recent release along with WINE TOOLS. WINE TOOLS will simplify the installation of WINE under Linux and it will enable you to install Windows software more easily as well. Go to http://www.winehq.com for more information and read the manual online.

I have yet to download RHFC5SELinux tonight. I may wait until later this week to download the DVD ISO as Bittorrent seems quite a bit slow.

 

[Welly Wu]

http://www.linuxforums.org/reviews/f..._5_review.html

RHFC5 SELinux is the best Linux distribution currently available. It has even raised the standard for other major Linux distributions higher.

 

[smeggy]

Doing the penguin can be fun, however you should also know Linux distros are still very hit and miss in a lot of ways. They frequently fail to install properly, are frequently a pain in the ass to maintin, still have limited hardware support and often are not particularly user friendly. I've used it on and off for years with various distros. To me It is still either a server os or an entheusiast os. Useful if you really dislike windows or osx but not useful if you have particular software needs. A lot of the free progs that you can get for linux as similar to commercial offerings but normally not as functional and fewer in number for 'power' categories. You can get some commercial apps though these can be picky about which distro they'll run on from my experience.

Dual booting is the safest option as there is a good chance you may dislike it or find it frustrating. By all means try it, just don't expect miracles or the program/hardware support you're used to. Personally I don't find it useful for my needs, but then I do this computer stuff for a living and must use windows. YMMV.