Fit for a Bat! – Flagship IEMs Shootout (8:CT6E, 7:H8P, 6:JH13, 5:K10, 4:BD4.2, 3:A12, 2:W500, 1:SE5U)

Jun 24, 2015 at 4:24 PM Post #91 of 1,062
Fantastic!
Splitting hairs among all extremely good headphones is difficult, breaking it down into distinct categories and sub-categories seems like the most logical way to do it. Your categorization and breakdown gives a good sense of those qualities of the headphone and allow better comparison, and let's me prioritize which aspects I am biased for enjoying the most.

That said, my experience is that sometimes when I hear something new and exciting, I lose grip on minutia after a few songs, and I end up just letting a headphone playback my library on shuffle for an hour or more. Sometimes this happens when there's something really GOOD about a certain characteristic which I never knew I valued, or a trait I prioritize hits a new level that I want to hear a couple more favourite songs through the filter of this headphone... Or best of all, and a sure sign of a winner, it all just comes together in such a jucy coherent package that I just have to play everything through to the end, and I'm so awestruck that I relinquish control on the song cue (shuffle all songs in my library) and float with my full attention and emotions riding on the music.

I think it's important to analyze the character of a headphone, and that's especially important when describing the sound to others, but I don't really "grok" a headphone until I break out of my preset "quality test songs" playlist and let random chance teach me about what a headphone does really well (or really poorly). I think there's a certain amount of "brain burn-in" that happens when you overplay a song, even with different headphones. An example of this was with HiFiMan's original HE-400 with velour pads: I thought it did pretty well with my test tracks and I could see living with it, but I didn't realize it wouldn't be an all-rounder for me until "A Woman Left Lonely" by Janis Joplin came on with poor mastering doubling the HE-400's flaw in recessed mids. It sounded like the lead singer was a background vocalist! With my more recent Oppo PM-3 testing, I've grown in affection for it as I enjoyed the forward presentation during intimate songs like "I Don't Get It" by Cowboy Junkies and "Got To Go Back" by Van Morrison, and while not "holographic" the PM-3's rendition of depth on my copy of "Hungarian Dances: No. 5 in G Minor" is very good.

Jelt, do you ever feel like you have a hard time "understanding" a headphone with overplayed test tracks?

Subbed! Looking forward to the rest of the reviews!
 
Jun 26, 2015 at 8:50 PM Post #92 of 1,062
Fantastic!
Splitting hairs among all extremely good headphones is difficult, breaking it down into distinct categories and sub-categories seems like the most logical way to do it. Your categorization and breakdown gives a good sense of those qualities of the headphone and allow better comparison, and let's me prioritize which aspects I am biased for enjoying the most.

That said, my experience is that sometimes when I hear something new and exciting, I lose grip on minutia after a few songs, and I end up just letting a headphone playback my library on shuffle for an hour or more. Sometimes this happens when there's something really GOOD about a certain characteristic which I never knew I valued, or a trait I prioritize hits a new level that I want to hear a couple more favourite songs through the filter of this headphone... Or best of all, and a sure sign of a winner, it all just comes together in such a jucy coherent package that I just have to play everything through to the end, and I'm so awestruck that I relinquish control on the song cue (shuffle all songs in my library) and float with my full attention and emotions riding on the music.

I think it's important to analyze the character of a headphone, and that's especially important when describing the sound to others, but I don't really "grok" a headphone until I break out of my preset "quality test songs" playlist and let random chance teach me about what a headphone does really well (or really poorly). I think there's a certain amount of "brain burn-in" that happens when you overplay a song, even with different headphones. An example of this was with HiFiMan's original HE-400 with velour pads: I thought it did pretty well with my test tracks and I could see living with it, but I didn't realize it wouldn't be an all-rounder for me until "A Woman Left Lonely" by Janis Joplin came on with poor mastering doubling the HE-400's flaw in recessed mids. It sounded like the lead singer was a background vocalist! With my more recent Oppo PM-3 testing, I've grown in affection for it as I enjoyed the forward presentation during intimate songs like "I Don't Get It" by Cowboy Junkies and "Got To Go Back" by Van Morrison, and while not "holographic" the PM-3's rendition of depth on my copy of "Hungarian Dances: No. 5 in G Minor" is very good.

Jelt, do you ever feel like you have a hard time "understanding" a headphone with overplayed test tracks?

Subbed! Looking forward to the rest of the reviews!

 
For me it's a mix. I spend a lot of time listening to new music for enjoyment (that's why it takes months before I even start to rate anything) and get a good overall feel of the IEM. But then when it comes time to rate, I don't necessarily use the same 'test tracks' all the time, but I'll choose music I know relatively well or have been listening to a lot, and then keep cycling through the IEMs around the same tracks. Actually I tried creating 'test track' playlists but gave them up, because I kept changing them depending on the music I like most at that period.
 
I've had a brief hiatus, but the rest of the reviews are coming soon. Thanks for your support!
 
Jun 27, 2015 at 2:02 AM Post #93 of 1,062
Your hiatus is nothing compared to mine, but again THANK YOU for the informative and fun work you've shared so far! I've been picking through your "Brief review: Many IEMs" thread for meanwhile-fun.

I'm contemplating my first custom IEM, because comfort and weight have been a big part about my full-size headphone selection process so far. Sonically, I prefer a signature that "disappears," so imaging is believable and coherence through the frequency range so one part doesn't stick out. However, I have a hard time understanding vocals/words sometimes, so probably a touch of mids energy is nice. As much as I love alt-rock and Americana and more, I also play videogames with surround processing almost daily, so good marks in your soundstage section are appealing to me too. I liked my 3 AKGs (Q701, K712, K612) overall the most so far, but I like things about my PM-3 (clarity/no veil) and vintage Stax SR.-X mk3 (again, clarity) despite their comfort shortcomings. Meanwhile, despite it's physical comfort strengths, I couldn't keep the thin DT880 (first experience with tinnitus). I think I have a good idea what to look for in your reviews, but of course well-priced classified offers are tempting too. I'd be super happy with a comfortable Stax that wasn't too bright (who wouldn't?!), but I don't think I've seen that option yet... unless you think the Harmony 8 was tailor-made for me?

Anyway, keep having fun with your review, makes it that much more worth doing!
 
Jun 30, 2015 at 1:56 AM Post #95 of 1,062
I think it usually has to do with the number of bores and size of bores vs the size of your ear canals, and not so much the driver count...
 
Jun 30, 2015 at 2:05 AM Post #96 of 1,062
Is there any truth to "some people's ears are too small for 8+ driver CIEMs?" Is that a thing that can happen?

Usually number of drivers is not a problem as shell size is more flexible. You can have a shell that protrudes a bit instead of sitting flush with the ear to accommodate the higher number of drivers. Limiting factor is the canal size and how many bores it can support - no work around for that one. 
 
Jun 30, 2015 at 3:52 AM Post #97 of 1,062
Thanks to both of you!
Of course it's hard to guess if my canal size is too small if I've never had CIEMs before... I preferred the smallest "olive" tips on my Audeo Phoneak UIEM, and yet my longtime friends the Etymotic ER-6i are usually sporting the standard foam tips or the large silicone flange tips! I've just never gotten along well with olive-shaped tips...

Meanwhile, who else is looking forward to the next "Fit for a Bat!" Update? ;)
 
Jun 30, 2015 at 7:22 AM Post #100 of 1,062
David's ears
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Naaah his ear are not that bad.
 
Jun 30, 2015 at 12:13 PM Post #101 of 1,062
And then I had to go and dream of Batman, with elements of TriGun, on a giant Eco-bubble space station. The two bad guys were making an army of people being mutated into super bats.

Basically, I need the next installment of this round-up.

^^°,_,°^^
 
Jul 1, 2015 at 6:50 AM Post #105 of 1,062
Is there any truth to "some people's ears are too small for 8+ driver CIEMs?" Is that a thing that can happen?


According to Piotr over at CA mine are too small for the harmony range, a couple of other's on here have had the same I think :(
 

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