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Mar 31, 2009 at 11:17 PM Post #16 of 29
Linn Kan is a great speaker - indeed especially when partnered with either Linn or Naim amplification.

I was a very good customer of a Lin dealer in the early 90s, but they also were the distributer for Royd. They actually lent me a pair of Royd Sorcerers for a week to burn them in (they had just come onto the market).

I actually thought the Royd Sorcerers were even better than the Kans. I wish I had the money at the time to buy a pair but I was saving at the time for a deposit on my first house.

Kann, Sorcerer and LS35A are probably up there with the best standmount designs ever conceived.
 
Apr 2, 2009 at 5:44 PM Post #17 of 29
Went out in my lunch today and scored some very good vinyl, classic Charles Mingus album in Mono, some excellent classical music, now I have to wait until I get home. I think I might have to invest in some cleaning fluid though, one or two of the classical recordings like a bit grimy.
 
Apr 2, 2009 at 7:38 PM Post #18 of 29
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Kann, Sorcerer and LS35A are probably up there with the best standmount designs ever conceived.


Legend has it the first few hundred Kans were actually rebadged LS3/5a's when Linn bought the whole remaining inventory after Rogers went bankrupt.

Rogers started making LS3/5a's again recently now it's owned by the Chinese who know a classic 'speaker when they see it. Rogers International Ltd.

I'd also add the Heybrook HB2, IMF Compact and Epos ES-11 to your list of classic Brit mini monitors.

Catcher, if you want to improve the turntables isolation I'd look out for a Target or Apollo wall shelf which is the classic Linn turntable support, unless you have concrete floors under the wooden ones, in which case it should be fine.
 
Apr 2, 2009 at 8:01 PM Post #20 of 29
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don't you mean mana wall shelf? it was designed for the sondek.


or Mana, or Sound Organisation. Basically a tubular steel welded frame which screws to the wall, can be sand or shoot filled, with either a veneered or laquered mdf shelf, or a glass shelf, mounted on upturned spikes. All these variables will effect sound quality believe it or not so have their proponents.
 
Apr 2, 2009 at 9:54 PM Post #21 of 29
It does need a shelf but cant use a wall shelf at the minute. Im thinking of getting an isolation shelf or some granite or marble cut to put underneath it on top of the stand.
 
Apr 3, 2009 at 12:10 AM Post #22 of 29
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Seeing as I went threw 3 tables in less than 5
Classical, Jazz, and Vocal on Vinyl is magic compared to the digital counterparts IMO.



Agreed. I've rediscovered my vinyl collection after a 20 year break.

Even with my middle of the road vinyl rig, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to listen to CDs or iPods.

I'm now on a mission to replace my favorite CDs with vinyl. It will take a while, but will be worth it in the end.
 
Apr 3, 2009 at 12:28 AM Post #23 of 29
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Classical, Jazz, and Vocal on Vinyl is magic compared to the digital counterparts IMO.


anything on Vinyl is magic compared to digital imo
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I use digital tho
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Apr 3, 2009 at 3:15 AM Post #24 of 29
I still listen to digital far more than vinyl, don't get me wrong. There is a bit too much ceremony to it to be completely viable for me. However doing digital rips of Vinyl is where the money is at!

Vinyl quality to sound that is portable. Plus, you can edit the pops and cracks, etc. out of the digital file and end up with something that sounds extremely good on a digital system.

I do need to get tubes back into my rig somehow, likely in a pre-amp because Vinyl + Tubes is a vocal experience which is spine tingling.
 
Apr 3, 2009 at 5:32 AM Post #25 of 29
For me the jury is still out as to whether vinyl really is significantly better than CD. What I can say from personal experience that vinyl at it's very best is possibly better than digital at it's very best. But at the very least there is so much overlap in quality, I do often wonder if for practical purposes there really is a significant advantage.

When I was collecting vinyl over the last couple of years, of the 60 LPs I owed - all of them brand new audiophile reissues from top notch companies - I would say that perhaps 10 of them were better than the best CD mastering equivalents, 30 of them were about the same and 10 were far worse. This does not take into account pressing faults, surface noise, clicks, etc. It just takes into account the pure sonics whilst ignoring the physical flaws inherent in vinyl.

Sure, my vinyl front end was only worth about $2000, but I also think the returns start to significantly diminish past that point. In other words, I honestly don't think having a $5000 front end was going to make all the LPs sound much better than the CDs. And in any case, if we go upping the ante on the vinyl front end, it would only be fair to do so with the digital front end too - and I have never even had a high end digital front end.

Vinyl sure is a labour of love. There are so many disadvantages and they have all been discussed on various forums over the years. It's great when it works well, but if I think back to my listening days, I was really only happy with it around 25% of the time. The rest was frustration on account of all the disadvantages inherent in vinyl.

I remember having an email discussion with a very well respected vinyl remastering engineer. Without naming names, he was actually very "pro digital". He would always make a CD copy of his vinyl masterings (in the studio - direct from the source - not the vinyl or cutting chain itself). He maintained the CD was pretty much every bit as good as the vinyl. He also felt that high resolution digital was essentially balony too (quite a few professional engineers seem to think this) - something else I am coming to realise the more I hear. Given his remasterings are about the best in the business, I am really not in a situation to argue and it pretty much reflects my own experience.

The mere fact that there are a number of CDs in existence that sound absolutely tremendous ought to be proof enough there is nothing wrong with the digital medium per se and that the differences between that and vinyl should be extremely small indeed. I just remain perplexed as to why the vast majority of CDs I have ever heard sound absolutely terrible though. There is no need for them to be like that!
 
Apr 3, 2009 at 7:22 AM Post #26 of 29
When you say high resolution digital is balony what do you mean? I'm interested because there was a big debate over on the What Hi Fi forum led by the guy who makes AVI equipment. If I remember the debate he thought that in blind tests no one could tell the difference between 128kb and lossless rips. I might not be representing this right a lot of his posts got banned because they dont allow debates on blind tests.
 
Apr 3, 2009 at 7:25 AM Post #27 of 29
Apr 3, 2009 at 8:18 AM Post #28 of 29
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When you say high resolution digital is balony what do you mean?


I mean that the difference between that and the normal CD standard is not significant enough to materially effect any sonic outcome. Or, as an ex-Decca engineer said a few years ago (I paraphrase), moving the microphone a few inches at the recording session makes far more difference than the actual recording or playback medium used.

I am not saying all the above is right of course - I am just reporting it. Personally I have always gotten the most enjoyment out of fully analogue recordings on vinyl and they still beat the absolute best digital masterings by a noticeable margin. But even then, those sorts of jaw dropping moments are few and far between.

Unfortunately there just isn't enough high res digital stuff available to the consumer to know whether it really can compete with vinyl or not.

What we really need are more high resolution transcripts of the original analogue master tapes. These things are practically non-existant, bar a small smattering of SACD releases and a few PCM 24-96 and 24-192 recordings packaged up in dual DVD video / DVD audio format. What we are saturated with are lots of high resolution fully digital recordings that to my ears sound just as bad - if not even worse - than ordinary CDs. The only exceptions I have come across are recordings made by Acousence Records, but even then they still have a bit of a steely coldness and a clinical sound about them.

One LP I had that really stood out was Ceasar Franck Symphonic Variations (Decca reissue and originally a Ken Wilkinson recording from the late 50s). The LP is superb. Just yesterday I heard the 16-44 track that was remastered a few years ago. I would rate the vinyl about 10% better. That is about is big a margin as I have ever experienced between anything analogue and digital.
 

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