FiiO X1 II (2nd Gen) w/ Bluetooth!

[TheoS53]

 
Yep. sleep and idle are off in settings, i think screen lock is off as well.
 
the blue light is still on but pressing any of the buttons does nothing, except holding the power button to turn it off.

and if you just press the power button once?

 

[gemmoglock]

I don't own an X1 Gen II yet but I hope you can help me out to decide whether to buy!

It is a bit hard for me to demo the X1 (available in my country but I'm stuck with cheap earphones so can't tell much until I upgrade next time)

I read from online reviews there are three main problems with 1.2:
1) When shuffling, going from one track to the next takes 3 seconds?!
2) Touch wheel is hard to use to accurately select items
3) The first few seconds of every song is silent/faded in even when gapless is on/off and fade is on/off (I have this problem with my M3 on FW1.7 too.

Also the M3 specs output impedance as 0.1ohm while the X1 says less than 1ohm. Is the X1 still optimal for driving sensitive IEMs?

Could Fiio staff or any other headfiers please share with me whether it is fixed! I really loved my Fiio M3 till I sold it for upgrading but if this issues aren't solved I may need to go for a Shanling M1 instead since I have a limited budget.

Thank you in advance 

 
 
Just to update I'm still a Fiio fanboy at heart but maybe I will upgrade to an X5 next time. Decided to go in the end with the Shanling M1 due to a smaller form factor and less teething UI issues.

 

  and if you just press the power button once?

Hi Theo just wondering how does your M3 drive the Mee Pinnacle in your signature? Does it drive the Pinnacle well enough?

 

[DannyBiker]

Got myself an X1 II aswell and can only concur the many problems it has. Here's what I pointed out in order of severity :
 
- It's sluggish, really sluggish. 2 to 3 seconds to skip a track is unacceptable. I think this should the developers first priority when it comes to fixes.
- Really buggy connection to a computer : I tried transferring 3 folders on a Windows 7 computer yesterday and the fiio kept crashing. After a few minutes of copy, it would hang. I thought at first that it was due to the fact that it went to sleep (which is pretty stupid if it's connected to a computer) but it crashed also when I kept it awake during the copying.
- Scanning the library is taking forever and my 64GB sd-card is only half-filled.
- Wheel scrolling is too slow and too fast at the same time  : too slow when it comes to explore a long list (the scrolling speed should increase as the user scrolls : the more you scroll, the fastest it explores the list) but also too fast in the menus (when a menu as only two choices for instance, it's an ordeal to highlight the choice you want).
- I agree that the scrolling wheel sound should be settable in a option : within the headphones or on the device. The user should also be able to disable the sound altogether.
- I confirm that the scrolling of long file/folder/tag name is way too slow when  truncated due to their length.
- The equaliser should be accessible easily from the "Current playing" screen. Perhaps it is but I haven't found the shortcut then.
- Gapless playing. It feels that it should be higher in the list but no. The other issues are so critic that they pushed back to the bottom such an essentiel feature for an audiophile device.
 
But really, Fiio should urgently work on the reactivity of the software. I know its a budget player but its not exactly cheap either : my 30€ rockboxed Sansa Clip is far more responsive and easy to navigate. The fiio firmware feels beta (at best) and that's inacceptable for a presumed finished product. Software updates are there to fix issues and perhaps bring new features but not to actually build the software altogether ! I am a gamer and while using the X1 II, I really feel that I bought an early access. Only I wasn't warned prior to buying.
 
I wonder : this is my first fiio device and while I discover now through online forums that their software always took a while to be stabilised, was it always that bad ? After all, we are talking about the second iteration of a successful device, I am surprised to see that the software is in such state. They didn't start from a blank blueprint.
 
The way fiio will handle this (including the time it will take to fix these issues) will determine if I will stay loyal to the brand in the future or if I will be inclined to recommend it to friends, relatives and in online communities.

 

[crabdog]

  Got myself an X1 II aswell and can only concur the many problems it has. Here's what I pointed out in order of severity :
 
- It's sluggish, really sluggish. 2 to 3 seconds to skip a track is unacceptable. I think this should the developers first priority when it comes to fixes.
- Really buggy connection to a computer : I tried transferring 3 folders on a Windows 7 computer yesterday and the fiio kept crashing. After a few minutes of copy, it would hang. I thought at first that it was due to the fact that it went to sleep (which is pretty stupid if it's connected to a computer) but it crashed also when I kept it awake during the copying.
- Scanning the library is taking forever and my 64GB sd-card is only half-filled.
- Wheel scrolling is too slow and too fast at the same time  : too slow when it comes to explore a long list (the scrolling speed should increase as the user scrolls : the more you scroll, the fastest it explores the list) but also too fast in the menus (when a menu as only two choices for instance, it's an ordeal to highlight the choice you want).
- I agree that the scrolling wheel sound should be settable in a option : within the headphones or on the device. The user should also be able to disable the sound altogether.
- I confirm that the scrolling of long file/folder/tag name is way too slow when  truncated due to their length.
- The equaliser should be accessible easily from the "Current playing" screen. Perhaps it is but I haven't found the shortcut then.
- Gapless playing. It feels that it should be higher in the list but no. The other issues are so critic that they pushed back to the bottom such an essentiel feature for an audiophile device.
 
But really, Fiio should urgently work on the reactivity of the software. I know its a budget player but its not exactly cheap either : my 30€ rockboxed Sansa Clip is far more responsive and easy to navigate. The fiio firmware feels beta (at best) and that's inacceptable for a presumed finished product. Software updates are there to fix issues and perhaps bring new features but not to actually build the software altogether ! I am a gamer and while using the X1 II, I really feel that I bought an early access. Only I wasn't warned prior to buying.
 
I wonder : this is my first fiio device and while I discover now through online forums that their software always took a while to be stabilised, was it always that bad ? After all, we are talking about the second iteration of a successful device, I am surprised to see that the software is in such state. They didn't start from a blank blueprint.
 
The way fiio will handle this (including the time it will take to fix these issues) will determine if I will stay loyal to the brand in the future or if I will be inclined to recommend it to friends, relatives and in online communities.

You're so right about the sluggish UI, that should be first priority. My $24 Benjie K9 is so much more pleasant to navigate, even without dedicated volume buttons...

 

[iancraig10]

Although Fiio are saying that they are unable to test their OS thoroughly, you would think that a sluggish reaction might be slightly more noticeable than hidden features.

And it was released this way......

 

[Dobrescu George]

  Got myself an X1 II aswell and can only concur the many problems it has. Here's what I pointed out in order of severity :
 
- It's sluggish, really sluggish. 2 to 3 seconds to skip a track is unacceptable. I think this should the developers first priority when it comes to fixes.
- Really buggy connection to a computer : I tried transferring 3 folders on a Windows 7 computer yesterday and the fiio kept crashing. After a few minutes of copy, it would hang. I thought at first that it was due to the fact that it went to sleep (which is pretty stupid if it's connected to a computer) but it crashed also when I kept it awake during the copying.
- Scanning the library is taking forever and my 64GB sd-card is only half-filled.
- Wheel scrolling is too slow and too fast at the same time  : too slow when it comes to explore a long list (the scrolling speed should increase as the user scrolls : the more you scroll, the fastest it explores the list) but also too fast in the menus (when a menu as only two choices for instance, it's an ordeal to highlight the choice you want).
- I agree that the scrolling wheel sound should be settable in a option : within the headphones or on the device. The user should also be able to disable the sound altogether.
- I confirm that the scrolling of long file/folder/tag name is way too slow when  truncated due to their length.
- The equaliser should be accessible easily from the "Current playing" screen. Perhaps it is but I haven't found the shortcut then.
- Gapless playing. It feels that it should be higher in the list but no. The other issues are so critic that they pushed back to the bottom such an essentiel feature for an audiophile device.
 
But really, Fiio should urgently work on the reactivity of the software. I know its a budget player but its not exactly cheap either : my 30€ rockboxed Sansa Clip is far more responsive and easy to navigate. The fiio firmware feels beta (at best) and that's inacceptable for a presumed finished product. Software updates are there to fix issues and perhaps bring new features but not to actually build the software altogether ! I am a gamer and while using the X1 II, I really feel that I bought an early access. Only I wasn't warned prior to buying.
 
I wonder : this is my first fiio device and while I discover now through online forums that their software always took a while to be stabilised, was it always that bad ? After all, we are talking about the second iteration of a successful device, I am surprised to see that the software is in such state. They didn't start from a blank blueprint.
 
The way fiio will handle this (including the time it will take to fix these issues) will determine if I will stay loyal to the brand in the future or if I will be inclined to recommend it to friends, relatives and in online communities.

 
You're comparing it with a Rockboxed Sansa Clip. 
 
Clip is very bad with their default OS / FW / UI. 

I have some SanDisk DAPs around, and I payed over 100$ for each (Romanian prices), and X1ii is 130$ or so in Romania making it a blind better choice than any other DAP in it's price range here. 
 
The UI speed was not bad, maybe people should just use browse by folder until it's fixed, I don't recall older DAPs even having other browsing than browse by folder.
 
Anyone comparing with ipods, an ipod costed around 300$ - 350$, which would make it a competitor to Fiio X5ii, which surpases ipods in every possible way. 
 
Oh, in fact, I do recall having browse by artist and those things in cowon and iriver, and on both I had a bad experience, this is why I adapted to use browse by folder. 
 
 
 
OffThread:
 
Example of why I cannot use browse by something else but folder. 
 
UtsuP - Japanese vocaloid based metal band. Almost every artist tag in every song is UtsuP and one of the vocaloid voices. This breaks the discography in 20 parts or so defeating the purpose of listening to utsuP songs in the first places and making it a terrible hassle. It's not the DAPs, it's just how tags are written ergo I keep them that way. 
 
Same situation with most POP and many other bands. 
 
This is what happens in every single device I use including Android. 
 
This is why my order in foobar is b folder location and I organize my folders in a neat fashion. This is more of a possibility to do things this way - it will be better for integrating the music collection over a wider range of DAPs. 
 
Back to thread 
 
 
The main highlight of X1ii - which is sound is still there - it sounds way better than most phones and than ipods. FW can usually be ironed out as long as the sound is good enough ! 

 

 

[DannyBiker]

Just because it sounds better than other devices of its price range doesn't mean you should excuse its many issues. You can have the best engine of the world in your car, if's it a pain to get into it, a pain to sit comfortably and a pain to turn the engine on, it's still a crappy car.
 
It's crazy how some people can be easily satisfied.

 

[gemmoglock]

Hopefully the new firmware helps a little? What I understand from the Chinese forums with my poor grasp of the language is that 1.3.3 helps just a bit with some of the issues.

 

[DannyBiker]

I am actually running 1.3.3, the device came with that firmware already installed...

 

[gemmoglock]

  I am actually running 1.3.3, the device came with that firmware already installed...

Oh no, hope they fix it soon. In the meantime you can try reformatting the card with the Fiio and copying in the files again. Don't think DriveSort will make a difference but try bluetooth off. That was about all I could understand in the chinese forums :/

 

[TheoS53]

   
Hi Theo just wondering how does your M3 drive the Mee Pinnacle in your signature? Does it drive the Pinnacle well enough?

Surprisingly enough, yeah, the M3 has enough power for the P1. I mean, I do have to use volume 75-95% volume...but it drives the P1 nonetheless

 

[gemmoglock]

  Surprisingly enough, yeah, the M3 has enough power for the P1. I mean, I do have to use volume 75-95% volume...but it drives the P1 nonetheless

Nice! Does the sound suffer though compared to your other DAPs? I should check it out too, I haven't as I thought the requirements would be a goner for stuff like the M3 or Shanling M1 haha!

 

[TheoS53]

  Nice! Does the sound suffer though compared to your other DAPs? I should check it out too, I haven't as I thought the requirements would be a goner for stuff like the M3 or Shanling M1 haha!

It actually sounds pretty similar to the X1ii, but couldn't hope to sound as effortless, mature, or detailed as my DX80

 

[queerquirks]

To both sides of angry or satisfied buyers, expectations are different now. 
 
I got the X3 1st gen when it was first released and I swore so much for the price I paid in relation to the UI. 
Then I remembered, x3 1g was Fiio's first dap (iirc) and teething problems were to be expected, sound and playback format wise had absolutely no issues. And so I let it be, enjoyed the x3 ride until the UI irritated me enough that I went to get another brand (sony or cowon cant rmb).
 
Now fast forward 3.5 years, Fiio has more DAPs in their stable, more experience gained and lost with employees and/or disgruntled customers. Yet, this UI issue remain. I saw Clieos post on chinese firms issues, it does not take away the fact that 6 DAPs have been released before x1 2g and major UI issues still pop up. I did not feel as bothered for the x3 1g because primarily I knew the probable issues, I told myself to be like a kickstarter buyer. 
 
 This paragraph below is actually a reply to ClieOS which prompted this:
 
Quote:

   
..and as I said it before, you should really avoid any Chinese DAP if you have no patience for bugfix.

 
 
And this I feel is where the angry posts are coming from, Fiio cannot hide behind the glow of being a small start up with ideals of global domination. They have marketing budgets in many countries, products are stocked worldwide in stores, internationalization at it's finest and yet they are being defended as still a small player. You wanna go global, you gotta make sure your products are relatable to all, not just head-fi followers who has a fetish for chi-fi This thinking is gonna hurt the casual consumers who in turn influence their peers. 
 
Do i think the x1 2g is a good buy? Absolutely no brainer just the sound alone, Would I get it right now? Probably not for the next 1 month or so til bugs are fixed or a damm good price is available.
 
The question more importantly, what happens to those who are not here, who have been told by sales staff in a well known, strategically located with 6 figures monthly rental audio store that fiio has the best sound for each price budget. What happens when that look of serene amazement at the music turns to piss when faced with its UI? 

 

[Dobrescu George]

   
 
And this I feel is where the angry posts are coming from, Fiio cannot hide behind the glow of being a small start up with ideals of global domination. They have marketing budgets in many countries, products are stocked worldwide in stores, internationalization at it's finest and yet they are being defended as still a small player. You wanna go global, you gotta make sure your products are relatable to all, not just head-fi followers who has a fetish for chi-fi This thinking is gonna hurt the casual consumers who in turn influence their peers. 
 
Do i think the x1 2g is a good buy? Absolutely no brainer just the sound alone, Would I get it right now? Probably not for the next 1 month or so til bugs are fixed or a damm good price is available.
 
The question more importantly, what happens to those who are not here, who have been told by sales staff in a well known, strategically located with 6 figures monthly rental audio store that fiio has the best sound for each price budget. What happens when that look of serene amazement at the music turns to piss when faced with its UI? 

 
Well.... They do have the best sound in their price range. 
 
People who tried to sell to me were very honest and told me eactly what to expect, like if a UI was still in beta, they told me this and I generally knew exactly what to expect in the shops I interacted with. I've zero idea if FiiO instructed them this way, or it is just how they are, but I've not had a shop lie to me about this yet, where something was unknown or not sure I was told as such, and where something was a beta, or there were features missing I was told. Which is great when buying a niche product, it is really good to know exactly what you are getting yourself into. 
 
I'm looking for a mouse because all mice I had so far had such poor ergonomics that I'm starting to question whether I should just use my drawing tablet all the time, but then I remember that I cannot play games with my drawing tablet. On this point - in PC mouse there is no transparency, all opinion is literally bias and I've churned through 7 failures so far, while with audio DAPs I knew what I was getting every single time.