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May 28, 2025 at 12:36 AM Post #842 of 952
The M21 definitely benefits from some burn-in. It has been just over 50 hours now with my M21 and wow it has really opened up. I am using it now in Pure Music mode which also helps. The soundstage is better, the laid back sound I first heard is rich, clean and powerful now with my HP50's. I can really appreciate the massive power increase over my A55 now. I haven't even tried the desktop mode yet, still organizing music on my microsd card. The battery life is quite good with Pure Music mode and wifi and bluetooth turned off. I estimate I am getting around 13 to 14 hours with fairly heavy screen use and messing around with some settings.
 
May 28, 2025 at 12:48 AM Post #843 of 952
It looks pretty gimmicky to me, but what do I know? Also... The buttons should be on the side where the tape is exposed on the cassette. The animation is upside down.
Exactly, the image is wrong. I didn't pay attention to the pictures, and I can't buy this case in real life - there are no titanium-colored cases with instant shipping on AliExpress, all sellers write that they are out of stock, wait, friend. Fiio, you yourself produce a classic cassette player, you could have looked at how it is made, I understand that only old-timers will understand what the problem is, but old-timers will be happy to buy this case as nostalgia. You need to be more precise in the details.
 
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May 28, 2025 at 2:57 AM Post #845 of 952
Can some of m21 owners confirm if they have this "lockscreen album art" option in fiio music?
Hi, we will add it in next update, it will be coming next month along with other features.
 
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May 28, 2025 at 3:24 AM Post #846 of 952
The M21 definitely benefits from some burn-in. It has been just over 50 hours now with my M21 and wow it has really opened up. I am using it now in Pure Music mode which also helps. The soundstage is better, the laid back sound I first heard is rich, clean and powerful now with my HP50's.
How does that help?
 
May 28, 2025 at 3:35 AM Post #847 of 952
Hi, Desktop mode is mainly to protect the battery.
The definition of Desktop Mode:

When D.mode switched turned on with USB inserted, the desktop mode icon will appear on the M21 screen. At this time, the M21 is powered directly from the USB port, without charging the M21 battery or consuming battery power.

Note:

1.If the USB power supply is insufficient, the battery will be required to supply additional power.

2.When the battery level is below 15%, inserting USB will forcibly charge the battery even it is in Desktop Mode (charging until the battery is full).

How to enable the D.MODE (Desktop Mode) on the M21?

When USB is inserted and D.MODE is displayed ON, it means the Desktop Mode is enabled.

Hello, since the release of the pics of M21 I asked myself many times : why having two USB ports AND a switch for a single function ???
For me, it could be that, when you want to use Dmode you simply plug the USB-C cable into the dedicated socket, and the battery is not charged.
OR, you use one single USB-C port and the switch sets the function...

Why is it so complicated ?
It looks pretty gimmicky to me, but what do I know? Also... The buttons should be on the side where the tape is exposed on the cassette. The animation is upside down.

Back in the 90's I had Sony walkmans with both tapehead on the side of the buttons or on the opposite side :wink:
See my WM-EX50:
Note that at that time, the trend in both walkmans and discmans was to hide the media, so the device was like a "black box" rather than a physical media player :beyersmile:
Nowadays people like me tend to look towards players (like the white skylight DM13) where one can SEE the media spinning :grin:

sony-wm-ex50.jpg
 
May 28, 2025 at 5:21 AM Post #848 of 952
Hi, Desktop mode is mainly to protect the battery.
The definition of Desktop Mode:

When D.mode switched turned on with USB inserted, the desktop mode icon will appear on the M21 screen. At this time, the M21 is powered directly from the USB port, without charging the M21 battery or consuming battery power.

Note:

1.If the USB power supply is insufficient, the battery will be required to supply additional power.

2.When the battery level is below 15%, inserting USB will forcibly charge the battery even it is in Desktop Mode (charging until the battery is full).

How to enable the D.MODE (Desktop Mode) on the M21?

When USB is inserted and D.MODE is displayed ON, it means the Desktop Mode is enabled.
Can you give specifics on the required amount of power from a powerbank. I want to buy a powerbank for fiio m21. Will be receiving my unit today.
There are options from 15W to 65W options in powerbanks. Which would be the optimal charging protocol?
Power required to extract every best out of M21?
Thank you for reading :)
 
May 28, 2025 at 6:15 AM Post #849 of 952
I can't even think about the animation of the cassette being upside down, and the user being unable to read even the name of the song.

The fact that the image is flipped will not reduce the information by a millimeter. Why did you even think of this?

Back in the 90's I had Sony walkmans with both tapehead on the side of the buttons or on the opposite side

This was probably a rarity, as a rule there were mechanical buttons, pressing which lowered the sound pickup head onto the tape.
Fiio just need to expand the skins with the inverted image and everyone will be satisfied.


P.S. Although due to the silver overlay on the player cover with inscriptions, the inverted image of the cassette will look bad
 
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May 28, 2025 at 7:56 AM Post #851 of 952
I only state my position, if others take offence I suspect that is a function of them disagreeing with me not because I have outright said something that is inherently offensive.

The reason why it matters to me at all is very simple.

Are there potentially subtle nuances, sure, but are swathes of people going to genuinely hear those things like conversations on Head Fi seem to indicate they do ? I would say no, that is unlikely, and there is another explanation why people report such apparent nuances which I find more plausible.

I believe that a lot of often discussed differences in sound are PERCEIVED as a result of bias and other psychological factors not actually HEARD.

It seems extremely unlikely that Head Fi happens to be home to vast numbers of people that all genuinely hear subtle nuance difference in sound (or even dramatic differences in some cases) between very similar electronic components when psychology has an explanation why they may PERCEIVE differences that actually don't exist or are at a level to be inaudible.

Assuming that to be the case, which is what I believe is more accurate than not, I think it is disingenuous to essentially bury ones head in the sand in terms of the impact of psychology on audio perception but then go about telling people what differences technically exist when those differences may very well not even be real.

If folks want to ignore psychology in their own listening experiences have at it but I don't believe it is appropriate to be blind to it then pass on listening impressions as definitive fact and a report on a technical matter, especially if one puts themselves in a position as some apparent self appointed authority as many folks here do.

For reference, I hear all the same sort of differences as others describe in sighted listening. When I do simple volume matched A/B versions of the same comparisons the changes disappear. Either the controlled listening environment removes bias and I am then only hearing what actually exists or I need to see what I am listening to in order to actually hear it properly. The latter seems like a nonsense argument to me when talking about an inanimate box of electronics, especially when they are both sitting on the desk I just don't know which one I am listening with.

That is my reality, you likely have a different one and that is fine, we are never going to change each others minds.

You asked a question, I have replied, nobody else cares, I don't want to waste more space here.

Cheers.

You know what I find funny? It all comes down to "I think that's it", "it seems to me that's it". There is no academic study whatsoever regarding what you so vehemently claim to be. Why don't you Do an academic study with methodology instead of talking like this. It's ridiculous.
 
May 28, 2025 at 8:28 AM Post #852 of 952
You are kinda cherry picking a few comments for effect but that’s fine. I tend to use some words that play down my position somewhat so as to not come across as more of a prick than guys like you already think I am.

I just speak from my own experience and practical application of actual controlled listening along some reading on the subject. I don’t need to be a scholar on the subject to have an opinion and I am a long way from alone in that opinion.

I don’t believe my position is any more ridiculous than those folks that blindly trust everything they believe they hear but thanks for your concern.

Now you have had your critique about my thoughts you can go back to analysing nuances in sound with DAPs and cables with no effort to control your biases.
 
May 28, 2025 at 8:34 AM Post #853 of 952
You are kinda cherry picking a few comments for effect but that’s fine. I tend to use some words that play down my position somewhat so as to not come across as more of a prick than guys like you already think I am.

I just speak from my own experience and practical application of actual controlled listening along some reading on the subject. I don’t need to be a scholar on the subject to have an opinion and I am a long way from alone in that opinion.

I don’t believe my position is any more ridiculous than those folks that blindly trust everything they believe they hear but thanks for your concern.

Now you have had your critique about my thoughts you can go back to analysing nuances in sound with DAPs and cables with no effort to control your biases.

Having an opinion is one thing, constantly trying to deconstruct someone else's opinion is another. That's why I said you should do a study. If you simply gave your opinion on what the topic is about if you propose (FiiO M21) or at least about your experience with some DAP compared to FiiO M21, great. But that's not what you're doing.
 
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May 28, 2025 at 8:49 AM Post #854 of 952
All in all, we are just talking about music reproduction... Is it THAT important, or THAT critical ? In my own opinion, there are more important things in life...
So relax, take a beer (or whatever you like... ) and go listen to your own favorite music :wink:

In the end it's all about enjoying music, not fighting endlessly. Some will say that the measurements rule the world, and the differences are due to psychological bias, or influence from external factors, and others will state that there are obvious differences, despite similar measurements...

There are so many occasions not to agree with each other on politics, economy, climate change or whatsoever... that we don't really need to fight for things that are purely personnal preferences, and where other's choices won't have any impact on our own choices...
 
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May 28, 2025 at 10:11 AM Post #855 of 952
I think the issue here is more about interpreting the terminology of sound.

For example, some people say that Violectric’s sound is round and full-bodied, while Topping’s sound is neutral, leaning towards dry. I agree, but both have a similar frequency response, and it's more about perceptions rather than actual sound characteristics.

The M21 might lean more towards that Violectric sound than Topping, but I highly doubt it would be considered "bassy." To achieve that, it would need at least +1dB in the 20-500 Hz range, and it's impossible that Fiio would release a DAP with that kind of deviation.

Without having listened to it yet, I’m almost certain that "round" and "relaxed" better describe its profile than "bassy." The former are impressions and synergies, while the latter is a measurable signal response.
 

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