[TheUnknow]

Again:

- M15 has the most powerful SoC in the DAP market! 2xA73 + 4xA53! It can even do on-the-fly DSD conversion in SW, which no other DAP can do!

Most powerful SoC in the DAP Market ... What does that even mean ???
7872 is a mid range SoC used by only one device (Meizu M6s) that will be stuck forever on Android 7.
On-the-fly DSD conversion (which is useless but that's another subject) is not hardware related but software related.

- What are you going to do with more RAM? Train a deep learning network?

What are you going to do with PCM -> DSD conversion ?
Magically create details and music note ?

If 7872 weren't stuck on Android 7 , you could benefit from newer version of Android.
But if you're low on RAM , what are you going to do ? Changing device ?

If tomorrow, Amazon Music need Android 9 as minimal requirements for running , let say Android 9 is requiered for newer funcionnality , what are you going to do with your 1300 $ TOTL device stuck forever on Android 7 ?
Buy a new DAP ?

I can find thousand of reasons why RAM is important , but it's necessarely more important than on-the-fly DSD conversion .

- There is no other DAP in the market with these hardware specs and DACs, and price as low as this!

1300 $ for this kind of hardware is low ? Are you joking ?
You're acting like 4499 alone cost 300 $ !
DACs justify anything that can come with ?

- This is an audio company, not a game watch for kids, so whoever wants 1080p screen should satisfy his/her needs elsewhere. What is the scenario for a "better screen" anyway? Watching porn while listening to music?

Why are they all advertising about their awesome-never-seen-before 720p screen if that's not important ?

 

[Detectit]

Dzjeee I was very curious what it would bring. The master flagship.
I wasn't planning to buy it initially though.

But Android 7? Come on. Why? For that price at least you expect 1080p display, Oreo and a more common SOC. Let's say the money will all be in SQ.

 

[DarginMahkum]

You are such a troll to bash a product that's not even available for sale. If you don' like it, don't buy it - that simple!

Most powerful SoC in the DAP Market ... What does that even mean ???
7872 is a mid range SoC used by only one device (Meizu M6s) that will be stuck forever on Android 7.

It means the most powerful SoC/CPU in the DAP market. There is at the moment no other DAP with a new generation big ARM core (A73). You might buy a mobile phone based on if it is a mid-tier r not, but this is not a mobile phone, I need to remind you.

On-the-fly DSD conversion (which is useless but that's another subject) is not hardware related but software related.

It is also hardware related, as you need a powerful CPU to this. Don't even try to attack me on that, as I do write software and algorithms for such controllers for a living.

What are you going to do with PCM -> DSD conversion ? Magically create details and music note ?

It is just to say that the SoC is powerful enough. What I do with it is my business, not someone's that is does not buy the product. By the way, it is not about creating magically new information, it is about how the DS DAC work. Whether I hear anything or not, it is my business. Oh, and here are some measurements for you:

http://archimago.blogspot.com/2019/01/measurements-oppo-udp-205-dsd-playback.html

If 7872 weren't stuck on Android 7 , you could benefit from newer version of Android. But if you're low on RAM , what are you going to do ? Changing device ?

I do write software and my whole desktop environment, compiler, debugger etc. runs wonderfully on a virtual machine with that amount of memory. If you need more memory just to run a music application and stream from the internet, then the problem is somewhere else. I even developed software by instaling opensuse _on_ a raspberry-pi with 1 GB of memory, and I ran my compiler and debugger on that, even used emacs on a much less powerful CPU the RPi has! So, 3GB is plenty of memory for a music player and a base system.

Again, I need to remind you: This is a music player, not a multimedia station or a mobile phone!

If tomorrow, Amazon Music need Android 9 as minimal requirements for running, let say Android 9 is requiered for newer funcionnality , what are you going to do with your $1300 $ TOTL device stuck forever on Android 7 ?Buy a new DAP ?

Let's say, if tomorrow a meteor hits the earth even Android 9 wouldn't be enough to save us. Do you agree?

1300 $ for this kind of hardware is low ? Are you joking ? You're acting like 4499 alone cost 300 $ ! DACs justify anything that can come with ?

OK, I get it, you have no absolutely no idea about product development. Again, if it is expensive for you, no need to come and moan here. Nobody is forcing you to buy it.

Why are they all advertising about their awesome-never-seen-before 720p screen if that's not important ?

Because they are a company releasing a new product, but have every right to advertise on each and single component of their device.

 

[Nayparm]

Dzjeee I was very curious what it would bring. The master flagship.
I wasn't planning to buy it initially though.

But Android 7? Come on. Why? For that price at least you expect 1080p display, Oreo and a more common SOC. Let's say the money will all be in SQ.

Why would you expect 1080p? its not a phone. The most expensive daps have lowish res screens, it saves battery thats better used powering the audio hardware. LPG, LPGT, Cayin N8, Hifiman R2R, WM1Z etc etc these are none android, the most expensive android I know the A&K SP2000 and has a 720p screen and Android 6, I suggest popping in there to discuss lol. The ibasso dx220 has a 1080p screen, they added a 720p mode to firmware to save cpu/battery.

 

[Detectit]

@DarginMahkum

I think a lot of people are a bit disappointed on the price tag FIIO dares to ask. FIIO is a brand where you get value/specs for money. Which in my humble opinion it's not.

If this was a device and pricetag brought by A&K nobody would care. They earned their stripes.

Ps. Even Ibasso DX160 can mount a 1080p display. Price difference of those panels at nihil.. So why not?

But i stop my rant.... I hope for FIIO it will be a success. And buyers a great DAP.

 

[Leetransform25]

What exactly is this on-the-fly DSD conversion that the M15 has and what does it do?

 

[xenoVa]

You are such a troll to bash a product that's not even available for sale. If you don' like it, don't buy it - that simple!



It means the most powerful SoC/CPU in the DAP market. There is at the moment no other DAP with a new generation big ARM core (A73). You might buy a mobile phone based on if it is a mid-tier r not, but this is not a mobile phone, I need to remind you.



It is also hardware related, as you need a powerful CPU to this. Don't even try to attack me on that, as I do write software and algorithms for such controllers for a living.



It is just to say that the SoC is powerful enough. What I do with it is my business, not someone's that is does not buy the product. By the way, it is not about creating magically new information, it is about how the DS DAC work. Whether I hear anything or not, it is my business. Oh, and here are some measurements for you:

http://archimago.blogspot.com/2019/01/measurements-oppo-udp-205-dsd-playback.html



I do write software and my whole desktop environment, compiler, debugger etc. runs wonderfully on a virtual machine with that amount of memory. If you need more memory just to run a music application and stream from the internet, then the problem is somewhere else. I even developed software by instaling opensuse _on_ a raspberry-pi with 1 GB of memory, and I ran my compiler and debugger on that, even used emacs on a much less powerful CPU the RPi has! So, 3GB is plenty of memory for a music player and a base system.

Again, I need to remind you: This is a music player, not a multimedia station or a mobile phone!



Let's say, if tomorrow a meteor hits the earth even Android 9 wouldn't be enough to save us. Do you agree?



OK, I get it, you have no absolutely no idea about product development. Again, if it is expensive for you, no need to come and moan here. Nobody is forcing you to buy it.



Because they are a company releasing a new product, but have every right to advertise on each and single component of their device.

Keep calm mate. Just like every new product, some people like and some people hate it. Don't get bothered by different opinions that much.

 

[Nayparm]

Also bob into the Altmann Tera-Player thread to discuss screen resolution for the cost

 

[DarginMahkum]

@DarginMahkum

I think a lot of people are a bit disappointed on the price tag FIIO dares to ask. FIIO is a brand where you get value/specs for money. Which in my humble opinion it's not.

If this was a device and pricetag brought by A&K nobody would care. They earned their stripes.

Ps. Even Ibasso DX160 can mount a 1080p display. Price difference of those panels at nihil.. So why not?

But i stop my rant.... I hope for FIIO it will be a success. And buyers a great DAP.

I understand that, but it is all about the audio. The best DAP I have ever heard until now, Cayin N8, has one of the worst screen quality and least powerful SoC/CPU ever, but for me is still the king of sound. Let's just wait and see what M15 will bring.

 

[Dixter]

The iphone has had DSD conversion for many years with Onkyo HF Player... it works great and sounds great... for desk top JRiver has on the fly DSD conversion too...

Personally I like the MQA files from Tidal also... they sound great too...

If there are no built in bugs with the M15 then it should be a great DAP... and if there are bugs out of the starting gate then there will be a lot of buyers who wont invest that kind of money with Fiio again... Fiio has some big shoes to fill with a $1300 DAP... wishing them the best of luck with this one...

 

[Nayparm]

The iphone has had DSD conversion for many years with Onkyo HF Player... it works great and sounds great... for desk top JRiver has on the fly DSD conversion too...

Personally I like the MQA files from Tidal also... they sound great too...

If there are no built in bugs with the M15 then it should be a great DAP... and if there are bugs out of the starting gate then there will be a lot of buyers who wont invest that kind of money with Fiio again... Fiio has some big shoes to fill with a $1300 DAP... wishing them the best of luck with this one...

Thats why they started with the M11 then M11Pro, it will be the same os and hardware upto the audio section, so it should be good to go

 

[musicday]

@DarginMahkum

I think a lot of people are a bit disappointed on the price tag FIIO dares to ask. FIIO is a brand where you get value/specs for money. Which in my humble opinion it's not.

If this was a device and pricetag brought by A&K nobody would care. They earned their stripes.

Ps. Even Ibasso DX160 can mount a 1080p display. Price difference of those panels at nihil.. So why not?

But i stop my rant.... I hope for FIIO it will be a success. And buyers a great DAP.

I never knew about an audiophile that is into metal detecting also.

 

[musicday]

Also bob into the Altmann Tera-Player thread to discuss screen resolution for the cost

The screen will be only for distraction, is all about listening to the music

 

[Detectit]

I never knew about an audiophile that is into metal detecting also.

Something to do with headphones and metal... I see similarities. . Greatest hobby there is, next to audio.

 

[fish1050]

Not that I am customer for this, way to expensive.

But the Samsung 7872 SOC is a solid option, keep in mind these can be expensive if not bought in decent quantities. Using it on the M11 DAP's only does not make sense financially, Fiio needs to use it on as many products as possible to get the best unit price when ordering. Why do you think they used the same SOC on the M6/M7/M9. Purely a cost saving measure to keep development costs down in such a niche market. I would have preferred a better SOC on the M9 given the higher price but understand the decision. Now Fiio will have to upgrade the SOC on these 3 models going forward since the Exynos 7270 has been discontinued.

I am sure Samsung has a minimum purchase quantity on their SOC's which again affects how many DAP's Fiio will use them on to justify the cost.