[FiiO BTR17/BTR7] True Lossless Bluetooth, Portable Bluetooth DAC and Headphone Amplifier BTR17 Is Officially Released!

May 15, 2023 at 11:28 AM Post #1,711 of 3,458
- Why would anyone want to lose wireless charging, with almost every day charging USB socket will be a toast in no time.
- How to control dongle without screen and menu when playing from PC, BTR7 does not allow simultaneous PC playback and control via mobile app.
- High/Low gain is set and forget thing, how often one needs to flip it to warrant separate button.
- Typically forward and next track is bottom button and volume up is top, no?
  • I’ve never had USB socket break. BRK1, BTR3, BTR3K x 2, etc., ime the battery is the first thing to die. USB-C is pretty robust I reckon. I’m thinking about ways to make a smaller version of the BTR7, and I am guessing that wireless charging takes up a certain amount of space?
  • Good question. Personally I have no need for any of the menu items available via the screen when attached via USB to my MBP, except:
  • High/ Low gain, which I use everyday, depending on whether I am using my easy-to-drive IEMs or much harder to drive full sized headphones.
  • The button with the “+” on it increases the volume, but plays the previous track. The “-“ reduces volume, but plays next track. Doesn’t make sense to me.

As I say, these are just me shooting random ideas for the forthcoming BTR15(?). I love the BTR7, I think it’s pretty miraculous actually. I am just wondering out loud what could be sacrificed to create a smaller version that retains the architecture (THX AAA 28) of the BTR7.
 
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May 15, 2023 at 11:55 AM Post #1,712 of 3,458
Try WASAPI Exclusive instead of ASIO, which can be quite finicky at times, plus you don't need to match bitrate in OS for exclusive mode.
For some reason Wasapi exclusive does not work for me. Only wasapi does. Has somehow alleviated the issue but not entirely. I still hear occasional glitches here and there. Thanks for the suggestion.

Huh... I uninstalled the FIIO dac driver, restarted, connected BTR7. Now my laptop correctly sees it as BTR7. Wasapi exclusive also works in Aimp. Driver for BTR7 is provided by Microsoft: 10.0.22000.653
No clippings, glitches, artefacts so far.
 
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May 15, 2023 at 1:22 PM Post #1,714 of 3,458
For some reason Wasapi exclusive does not work for me. Only wasapi does. Has somehow alleviated the issue but not entirely. I still hear occasional glitches here and there. Thanks for the suggestion.

Huh... I uninstalled the FIIO dac driver, restarted, connected BTR7. Now my laptop correctly sees it as BTR7. Wasapi exclusive also works in Aimp. Driver for BTR7 is provided by Microsoft: 10.0.22000.653
No clippings, glitches, artefacts so far.
These must be related, did you install Windows driver from Fiio or using generic Windows UAC2.
EDIT: Never mind, missed the second part of your post. Looks like you are all set. Enjoy.
 
May 15, 2023 at 3:07 PM Post #1,715 of 3,458
For some reason Wasapi exclusive does not work for me. Only wasapi does. Has somehow alleviated the issue but not entirely. I still hear occasional glitches here and there. Thanks for the suggestion.

Huh... I uninstalled the FIIO dac driver, restarted, connected BTR7. Now my laptop correctly sees it as BTR7. Wasapi exclusive also works in Aimp. Driver for BTR7 is provided by Microsoft: 10.0.22000.653
No clippings, glitches, artefacts so far.
Biggest advantage is that ASIO driver allows DSD playback, I don't think WASAPI does
 
May 15, 2023 at 3:11 PM Post #1,716 of 3,458
Biggest advantage is that ASIO driver allows DSD playback, I don't think WASAPI does
Yup, thank you. I don't need dsd playback, but I need a glitch free output. Looks like removing the driver and using whatever windows has does the job.
 
May 15, 2023 at 4:58 PM Post #1,717 of 3,458
Biggest advantage is that ASIO driver allows DSD playback, I don't think WASAPI does
It does, just for playback there is zero advantage of ASIO, plus it has some issue with 192khz playback.
BTW, has zero issues with Fiio driver here, you probably failed to activate "Allow application to take exclusive control" in Control Panel Sound options.
 
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May 15, 2023 at 10:46 PM Post #1,718 of 3,458
@FiiO have you ever considered making Fiio branded shirts/hats/mugs/etc for your fans to purchase?
Dear friend,

We will report your feedback to the manager for check.

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May 15, 2023 at 10:47 PM Post #1,719 of 3,458
For some reason Wasapi exclusive does not work for me. Only wasapi does. Has somehow alleviated the issue but not entirely. I still hear occasional glitches here and there. Thanks for the suggestion.

Huh... I uninstalled the FIIO dac driver, restarted, connected BTR7. Now my laptop correctly sees it as BTR7. Wasapi exclusive also works in Aimp. Driver for BTR7 is provided by Microsoft: 10.0.22000.653
No clippings, glitches, artefacts so far.
Dear friend,

According to your feedback. It seems our USB DAC driver lead to the issue? Maybe it is a compatible problem. We will report to our engineer for check as well.

Best regards
 
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May 16, 2023 at 3:35 AM Post #1,720 of 3,458
The button with the “+” on it increases the volume, but plays the previous track. The “-“ reduces volume, but plays next track. Doesn’t make sense to me.
This is something that comes from the DAP world. The previous song is higher in the list and the next song is lower in the list. Consequently, previous track is the upper button and next track is the lower button, which makes sense. With separate controls for volume and previous/next track on DAP's, you'll never run into this issue like you would on devices like the BTR7.

When using a bluetooth device like the BTR7, the way that an album or playlist is displayed on the source device doesn't change so using the same button layout also makes sense initially. The problem comes in combining the previous/next track with the volume buttons as increase volume is up and decrease volume is down. When seen in a vacuum of just the BTR7 by itself, the choice does seem odd. When taking the source device into account, it starts to make a lot more sense.

That said, I know quite a few devices allow the previous/next track to be swapped, including FiiO devices. So I would assume it can be implemented in the software so people can set it to their personal preference.
 
May 16, 2023 at 3:56 AM Post #1,721 of 3,458
This is something that comes from the DAP world. The previous song is higher in the list and the next song is lower in the list. Consequently, previous track is the upper button and next track is the lower button, which makes sense. With separate controls for volume and previous/next track on DAP's, you'll never run into this issue like you would on devices like the BTR7.

When using a bluetooth device like the BTR7, the way that an album or playlist is displayed on the source device doesn't change so using the same button layout also makes sense initially. The problem comes in combining the previous/next track with the volume buttons as increase volume is up and decrease volume is down. When seen in a vacuum of just the BTR7 by itself, the choice does seem odd. When taking the source device into account, it starts to make a lot more sense.

That said, I know quite a few devices allow the previous/next track to be swapped, including FiiO devices. So I would assume it can be implemented in the software so people can set it to their personal preference.

Ah OK that makes sense.

Yes it would be good to have an option to reverse the << >> directions on the bluetooth dongles. I like to be able to operate BT dongles without having to look at them (ie. in my pocket!), and anything that makes that more complicated than it needs to be should be avoided IMO.
 
May 16, 2023 at 5:37 AM Post #1,722 of 3,458
Ah OK that makes sense.

Yes it would be good to have an option to reverse the << >> directions on the bluetooth dongles. I like to be able to operate BT dongles without having to look at them (ie. in my pocket!), and anything that makes that more complicated than it needs to be should be avoided IMO.
This is something that comes from the DAP world. The previous song is higher in the list and the next song is lower in the list. Consequently, previous track is the upper button and next track is the lower button, which makes sense. With separate controls for volume and previous/next track on DAP's, you'll never run into this issue like you would on devices like the BTR7.

When using a bluetooth device like the BTR7, the way that an album or playlist is displayed on the source device doesn't change so using the same button layout also makes sense initially. The problem comes in combining the previous/next track with the volume buttons as increase volume is up and decrease volume is down. When seen in a vacuum of just the BTR7 by itself, the choice does seem odd. When taking the source device into account, it starts to make a lot more sense.

That said, I know quite a few devices allow the previous/next track to be swapped, including FiiO devices. So I would assume it can be implemented in the software so people can set it to their personal preference.
Thank you for your suggestions, please rest assured that I have already given feedback to our project manager to carefully evaluate your suggestions

First of all, there is no technical difficulty in implementing these features

We need to evaluate if most people like this feature to decide whether to add it in the end.
 
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May 16, 2023 at 10:02 AM Post #1,723 of 3,458
Been using a BTR5 (original) since launch and final got around to getting a BTR7 yesterday.

Tried it via 3.5 & 4.4mm and as with BTR5 the balanced out a noticeable improvement.

Linked BT and wired with my S21, iPhone13mini and Sony A307 and sounds superb with all. BT is so close to wired now (LDAC best) can ditch cable to source.

The Fiio FD7 sounds particularly great with it, but on the go still using my SE846 with Fiio 2.5mm short cable and a dd 2.5 to 4.4mm converter.

Stuck a loop on back that acts great as a clip for fastening to my shirt/coat etc. (Strong double sticky back tape).
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Left small plastic tabs showing on tape to easily remove if needed.

On t-shirt below but works even better on shirt, polo shirt, coat etc.

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Case near identical match to my A307! Though not using with Fiio case, BTR5 still looks great and used wouthout a case for a few years now.

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Can use with a lanyard too via hoop if wanted
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May 16, 2023 at 3:27 PM Post #1,724 of 3,458
This is something that comes from the DAP world. The previous song is higher in the list and the next song is lower in the list. Consequently, previous track is the upper button and next track is the lower button, which makes sense. With separate controls for volume and previous/next track on DAP's, you'll never run into this issue like you would on devices like the BTR7.
Have the same layout for tracks control on Bimmer steering wheel.
 
May 17, 2023 at 6:37 AM Post #1,725 of 3,458
Dear friend,

According to your feedback. It seems our USB DAC driver lead to the issue? Maybe it is a compatible problem. We will report to our engineer for check as well.

Best regards
Hi Fiio,

Thank you for your reply.

Looks like it. I had the same glitches/pops in every track or source I tried, on two different windows 11 PCs: one laptop (work), one home desk pc.
Both had the FIIO DAC driver installed before I connected the device to the PCs.
The FIIO DAC driver was recognizing the device as FIIO Q series (don't think this is the actual issue, but worth mentioning that the driver does not recognize the device correctly).

On both my PCs, the glitches/pops disappeared after I completely removed the FIIO driver and restarted the computers. At that point both computers recognized the device as BTR7, glitches stopped, AIMP can now use exclusive modes and the driver for the BTR7 was provided by Microsoft which seems to work quite well.

Someone mentioned here that the FIIO driver is mainly to be able to play DSD files. I don't do that so, if that's the only use of the driver, I am happy to report that if you don't use DSD files, you can skip the driver.
 

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