Feliks Audio ENVY

May 21, 2025 at 2:51 PM Post #9,946 of 9,958
This is what Felik's camp said about DAC voltage. I am using XLR on my Dave as that cable is much better. I had it at -3db. I believe I was feeding the Envy 6V lol. Switched to -19db xlr on Dave, I think that is 1V. Sounds better. LOL

1V will make it match the sensitivity, so yes - it`s ideal. Nevertheless still using the 2-4V is also a good option.
best regards,
Piotr


I was doing some listening tests and 1V from the Dave seems to be ideal. Also my issue with crescendo passages has gone away. :)

So by having my Dac output voltage so high before, what was I actually doing compared to feeding it 1V? Thanks

*Side note, this is using the DCA Stealths, I may need to feed the Envy more juice when using the Susvara.
FWIIW I have my envy volume set to 12 o clock and my DAVE with blu2 between -22 and -18 with my different HP's
 
May 21, 2025 at 3:16 PM Post #9,947 of 9,958
I just ordered a dual mono Hattor TCV attenuator to reduce my Wavedream's output without sacrificing dynamic range.
Currently running my Wavedream at -20dB.
 
May 21, 2025 at 7:15 PM Post #9,948 of 9,958
I used the SACD and HD vinyl versions of Daft Punk's Random Access Memories to test.

I'm running cheap amazon XLR cables WBC Pro and a probably 20 year old chinese RCA cable I found in my basement in my setup, I'm comparing XLR to RCA output on the Envy with Immanis. I mention the cables to show that the playing field is level. Here's what I've been able to confirm;

XLR:
More Audiophile

Smaller stage, feels more natural and correct, notes are perceived as larger as a result
better separation in the stage, easier to pickout instruments in complex passages due to cleaner edges of notes and better separation

Tonally deeper sub bass and more discernible texture on bass notes

Drier sounding

Background minor rhythms are more apparent such as the guitar on Game of Love around 30s whereas with RCA that rhythm guitar part is there but the rhythm is less apparent, it has to be looked for, probably due to better separation of XLR

RCA:
"Wet"/Liquid sounding, has some sort of "distortion"(not sure thats what it is) that sounds very very good, a flowy and slightly weighter liquid quality that I wish XLR had

Has bigger stage, sometimes sounds artificial, as if things are pushed away and almost becoming stretched as a result of notes at the periphery
More musical

Slightly more mid and sub bass quantity but less audible than felt due to poorer separation in-stage, XLR bass guitars and more discernible due to better separation in stage even though less impactful and less note weight

RCA is a simpler connection, additional processing must be done for XLR and Envy isn't balanced on XLR. I wanted to compare the two, at times I prefer XLR but most of the time I prefer the LIQUID quality RCA and the expense of slightly poorer separation and congestion in stage. I wanted to do this cheap test before buying expensive RCA or XLR cables. Maybe an expensive RCA cable could keep the liquid quality I'm hearing with RCA but add the better separation I'm hearing with XLR.

Open to suggestions on RCA and XLR, probably looking for something pure silver, was considering DHC Prion 4. Not 100% convinced which way to go yet but leaning toward a LOW DCR RCA cable.

I had my girlfriend to some of the testing, flip the switch between inputs on the Envy, I was able to tell the dfiference between XLR and RCA easily and correctly. The most noticeable tell being the liquid RCA vs the drier but more audiophile-ish XLR.

@Doug2507

FWIIW I have my envy volume set to 12 o clock and my DAVE with blu2 between -22 and -18 with my different HP's
Because I have analog volume control on my DAC(it's called variable setting), what I've done is set my DAC volume to the lowest level that allows me to keep the Envy potentmeter on max volume all the time with me having it at the perfect db level I want from Immanis. Sometimes when I change albums I have to pause the music and lower or raise the DAC volume a few points. IDK what voltage output I'm running but operating in this level (unity gain) provides me superb sound quality. I am experimenting now between the 0db, 3db and 6db fixed settings vs the variable setting-doing a comparison to see which has better sound quality. Bear in mind the 13.5V rms variable measurement is for MAX, I'm not running the DAC at max on variable I'm running it as low as possible as to give me perfect volume with envy on max. IDK what the V rms is currently, I'll ask the DAC designer if he has an ouput chart for the variable setting, I'm at abuot setting 110 in most case, it works on individual clicks up example 111, 112, etc. I would imagine thats increasing voltage in very small increments, theoretically opearating at the lowest vol level should be best.

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May 21, 2025 at 11:18 PM Post #9,949 of 9,958
Hmm a fair point my Grimm was at almost 0db and the Envy is only not even dialled a quarter of the way up and it's quite loud even on medium gain.

I've asked Grimm what voltage that actually is. I suspect it's pretty high. 😬
I wonder if it’s around 6V or so. That’s how it was for me before I dialed the voltage down. I wouldn’t ever pass 10 o clock on the dial.
 
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May 22, 2025 at 3:29 AM Post #9,950 of 9,958
If comparing IC's @Ike1985, make sure you do it with the same wire. Eg, get another amazon cable the same but with different termination (if you can even verify that with amazon cables!). Using two cables that use different wire throws any A/B validity out the window straight away. 👍

Envy volume pot does affect other things in the amp, this I asked Piotr and that's where the 9-1oclock optimal range came from. I can check email chat for an exact quote. With some tubes you'll find that maybe up around 2-3 o'clock you'll introduce noise. Running the pot at full might not be ideal based on what Piotr said. Each to their own but advice from the manufacturer is probably worth noting.

You're fortunate enough to have analogue attenuation with your dac so it should be a non issue doing so. At a guess, probably somewhere around - 16dB-20dB on the PBD give or take a few dB with Envy roughly around 12oclock. (is it 1dB per step?)
 
May 22, 2025 at 6:29 AM Post #9,951 of 9,958
I Bring great News everyone!
Feliks Audio made a Deal With Western Electric for a 15% Discount on WE300B Tubes for their Envy owners.

New Envy and Bliss Orders will automatically include Discount vouchers from now on.

This Deal applies retroactively to current Envy owners. If you want to take Advantage of it you can reach out to Feliks Audio via
info@feliksaudio.com to get your Discount Code.

The Code can be used directly on the Western Electric Website.
 
May 22, 2025 at 12:51 PM Post #9,952 of 9,958
tubes delivered...finally...
can you guys say if this good or bad melz?
 

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May 22, 2025 at 1:45 PM Post #9,953 of 9,958
Looks good to me. The gold writing in the circle..at the bottom is the year. Can you read what it says? Last 2 digits.
 
May 22, 2025 at 1:45 PM Post #9,954 of 9,958
May 22, 2025 at 1:46 PM Post #9,955 of 9,958
Yeah that's great. Never heard any from the 60s.

First impressions?
 
May 22, 2025 at 3:29 PM Post #9,956 of 9,958
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E80CC. Can fully understand why they were not recommended. The increased GM / voltage is very apparent. They initially sound very punchy / dynamic / clean but you loose everything else. Pretty much like running an amp at higher gain than needed. Foundations of a great tube are there, just not for Envy, and these aren't even the expensive ones. Definitely a tube type I'll add to the list of requirements if I get another amp or dac that's tubed. Great tube / wrong application. Very similar thoughts also for recently tried welded plate mullard 6211.
 
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May 22, 2025 at 6:24 PM Post #9,958 of 9,958
Today is near enough the final day of my journey with 12AU7 on Envy, managed to get a couple of different back up pairs for what I deem 'keepers' and think I've pretty much got two pairs of all that will stay after over a year of travelling through the 12AU7 world. There's one pair that are just too much cash to get a second pair and one pair of unicorns that are near impossible to find which I've still not heard, apart from that, I'm calling it a day.

Think I've listened to nearly all 12AU7 / ECC82 worth hearing, learned a lot that will apply to other tube types, had fun researching, had fun with the 'hunt', learned a thing or two about my own preference and generally had a good time throughout apart from the early pitfalls of being ripped off by dubious sellers (a lot wiser now!).

6SN7 is also coming to an end. RCA grey glass are the only one's still left on the radar, I've just not been too bothered to go grab a pair. Melz inbound which are just about the last one's I've yet to hear. 6J5 are still a viable option and i'll need to satisfy that curiosity but Envy rolling definitely feels like it's coming to an end.

Tubes are very much a special thing. I sat in the SS camp for many years (first serious setup around 18yrs old, Audiolab then /Tag mono's), always thought tubes were for the pipe and slippers brigade. Being glad I took the leap would be an understatement, they've brought so much extra to musical happiness to my listening that I'll never go back to not having them. Just over a year ago I went from thinking 394ii could do with a little tube goodness sprinkled on top and now I'm using what's a really good 300B amp as a pre, would never have thought I'd be running the setup I do now back then.

Specifically to Envy, it's great. There's never been a moment it hasn't made me smile. I know there's a lot of other options out there and I've not heard them, but this one just makes me smile every time I sit down for a listen, there's never a moment with it that I feel like wanting more or something 'different.

Having said that, wanting and doing are two totally different things. The tube rabbit hole is just too deep to call it a day and there's so much more to explore. Not sure if it'll be amp, more likely DAC, but another component capable of using different tubes if definitely on the radar. My wife jokes about the constant arrival of new "light bulbs", I'll take the jovial digs, each pair arriving always gives me some excitement....

Sharing is caring so for those that have any interest, I've no secrets to hide and only vouch for what my ears tell me, these are the 12AU7 that are staying, and in no order of preference.....

CBS / RCA 7318
CBS 5814WA
HIVAC cv491
Mullard 1593 welded plate (black & grey)
Mullard M8136 square getter
NEC late 50's square getter
Radiotechnique 12AU7S (double solid support mesh & ring getters, & D getter single post...yep, 3 different pairs of these)
Radiotechnique 5814A
Telefunken, no diamond, square getter
Valvo (Hamburg) Foil D getter
Valvo Copenhagen welded plate

And for 6SN7....

Brimar cv1988 black plate foil getter (1946)
RFT 6H8M
TS BG
Maybe a 4th, we shall see.

I listen with Immanis & Storm, Envy using TM. DAC varies between R2R & DS depending on what's playing. Right now it's City and Colour, The Hurry And The Harm with Immanis & a pair of Copenhagens.
 

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