Feliks Audio ENVY

[nwavesailor]

Also the TM300B is a huge upgrade over the ER300B I was using, much more technical cleaner sound without any apparent downsides. The pairing with APX SE is much better now than with the ER300B. Day and night diff, APX SE doesn't like ER300B.

Yup, the ER are very good but the TM are a very nice step up.

 

[JTbbb]

Yeah I would go with that Envy it’s a great amp with Susvara’s. But as has been mentioned you will get the itch to buy tubes, but if you have the willpower you can take your time while enjoying the stock tubes.

 

[ecva]

Thank you all for the inputs! Yeah I kinda figured tube rolling will be the next upgrade path after Envy but to your point, I can stick it out with the stock tubes first. I am pretty sold at this point and excited to eventually get it and have my Susvara (and even the HD800S) sing through a different microphone!

 

[JTbbb]

Thank you all for the inputs! Yeah I kinda figured tube rolling will be the next upgrade path after Envy but to your point, I can stick it out with the stock tubes first. I am pretty sold at this point and excited to eventually get it and have my Susvara (and even the HD800S) sing through a different microphone!

I have HD800S and they sound great out of Envy too.

 

[CharlyBrown]

I have HD800S and they sound great out of Envy too.

+1, absolutely!

 

[Ike1985]

Very nice, congrats. How did you get the TMs so fast?

I ordered them from the official Elrog Guy. He shops very fast, got them in just a few days from europe.

It depends how they've been stored I think.

You can be sure the Langrex ones look pretty much as the picture but my that price is quite excessive "holy grail" or not

Please let us know what you think of the TMs.

They are a huge freaking upgrade. The most noticeable difference right off the bat is the clarity/separation gained in the midrange. With ER300B sometimes midrange would sound a bit jumbled on APX SE, now its much clearer with regard to staging, space between soudnds. Voices are eerily present and more authoritative. All the things you love about ER300B are maintained nothing is lost, I will need more time to form a proper conclusion. Worth every penny so far.

Unfortunately ordering tubes online seems to me largely a crapshoot except for ordering direct for example from the Elrog guy:

https://www.jacmusic.com/nos/images/Fakes/index.html

They faked the diamond engraving.

 

[Doug2507]

I ordered them from the official Elrog Guy. He shops very fast, got them in just a few days from europe.



They are a huge freaking upgrade. The most noticeable difference right off the bat is the clarity/separation gained in the midrange. With ER300B sometimes midrange would sound a bit jumbled on APX SE, now its much clearer with regard to staging, space between soudnds. Voices are eerily present and more authoritative. All the things you love about ER300B are maintained nothing is lost, I will need more time to form a proper conclusion. Worth every penny so far.

Unfortunately ordering tubes online seems to me largely a crapshoot except for ordering direct for example from the Elrog guy:

https://www.jacmusic.com/nos/images/Fakes/index.html

They faked the diamond engraving.

It's definitely a slippery hole to go down and requires a lot of time spent doing your homework so you don't get ripped off. Been there, done that, been burnt! If ever in any doubt, post here or in the tube threads and pretty sure they guys & girls will keep you right!

Congrats on the TM's, I and others tend to agree with you!

 

[Exekuhtor]

They are a huge freaking upgrade. The most noticeable difference right off the bat is the clarity/separation gained in the midrange. With ER300B sometimes midrange would sound a bit jumbled on APX SE, now its much clearer with regard to staging, space between soudnds. Voices are eerily present and more authoritative. All the things you love about ER300B are maintained nothing is lost, I will need more time to form a proper conclusion. Worth every penny so far.

I agree. They are just better in every way than the normal Elrogs. The MO's are more technical than then ER's and even more technical than the TM's, but the TM's have that added musicality factor which the MO's completely lacked and the ER's are also only mediocre at. Yes, the midrange of the TM's ist just sublime, combined with their technicalities and the wonderful decay, they are just the best tubes that exist. They are still not as warm and full sounding as Western Electrics, but they just sound right, with every headphone you throw at them, they just have no weakness at all. Every single aspect, be it bass, mids, treble, separation, speed, decay or attack is at least a 9/10, often a 10/10. Every other 300B pair does not come close to the magic allrounder that the TM's are and has a weakness somewhere, not the TM's.
Sadly their pricetag is extremely high, that's why i cycle through my 300B pairs.

 

[Ike1985]

I agree. They are just better in every way than the normal Elrogs. The MO's are more technical than then ER's and even more technical than the TM's, but the TM's have that added musicality factor which the MO's completely lacked and the ER's are also only mediocre at. Yes, the midrange of the TM's ist just sublime, combined with their technicalities and the wonderful decay, they are just the best tubes that exist. They are still not as warm and full sounding as Western Electrics, but they just sound right, with every headphone you throw at them, they just have no weakness at all. Every single aspect, be it bass, mids, treble, separation, speed, decay or attack is at least a 9/10, often a 10/10. Every other 300B pair does not come close to the magic allrounder that the TM's are and has a weakness somewhere, not the TM's.
Sadly their pricetag is extremely high, that's why i cycle through my 300B pairs.

Yea cant wait to test them with Magna/Immanis, they should be broken in by then. The wait for the Magna/Immanis demo unit is a few months.

@Doug2507 Apparently All telefunken G73 are fake

 

[Doug2507]

Yea cant wait to test them with Magna/Immanis, they should be broken in by then. The wait for the Magna/Immanis demo unit is a few months.

They need very little break in by the way! something like 40-50hrs, can't remember what Thomas recommended but it's not a lot!

 

[turbofeet]

I agree. They are just better in every way than the normal Elrogs. The MO's are more technical than then ER's and even more technical than the TM's, but the TM's have that added musicality factor which the MO's completely lacked and the ER's are also only mediocre at. Yes, the midrange of the TM's ist just sublime, combined with their technicalities and the wonderful decay, they are just the best tubes that exist. They are still not as warm and full sounding as Western Electrics, but they just sound right, with every headphone you throw at them, they just have no weakness at all. Every single aspect, be it bass, mids, treble, separation, speed, decay or attack is at least a 9/10, often a 10/10. Every other 300B pair does not come close to the magic allrounder that the TM's are and has a weakness somewhere, not the TM's.
Sadly their pricetag is extremely high, that's why i cycle through my 300B pairs.

In my setup the MOs are just superb as my source has a luscious midrange already but as you can see they don't work for everyone.

They are very extended top and bottom and I'm still on the fence as to which I like best between the MOs and the TMs. I know some folks will think I'm crazy for saying that as there is quite a clear winner for most here.

The TMs are probably better balanced overall but it really does depend on your chain.

My chain is obviously quite different to others.

My MOs have also had many hundreds of hours on them but my TMs probably around 50 so there may well be something in that as well.

You really can't go wrong with either IMO but do heed what others have said about the MOs as you might well feel the same as them about them.

Enjoy!

 

[Exekuhtor]

In my setup the MOs are just superb as my source has a luscious midrange already but as you can see they don't work for everyone.

I found that they are much more influenced by the actual headphones you're using. If you have an already very thick and warm midrange - they are probably perfect. But if the midrange is already slightly thinn or just not musical enough, the MO's will sound absolutely unremarkable in the midrange while having super impressive treble, bass, and technicalities.

 

[turbofeet]

I found that they are much more influenced by the actual headphones you're using. If you have an already very thick and warm midrange - they are probably perfect. But if the midrange is already slightly thinn or just not musical enough, the MO's will sound absolutely unremarkable in the midrange while having super impressive treble, bass, and technicalities.

Yeah I think it all has an influence doesn't it

 

[Doug2507]

Yea cant wait to test them with Magna/Immanis, they should be broken in by then. The wait for the Magna/Immanis demo unit is a few months.

@Doug2507 Apparently All telefunken G73 are fake

Until someone strips the coating off one and shows the construction, I'm a skeptic. I was speaking to someone who has a chap that tests his tubes who used to work for HP and knows an ex tfk sales rep. Both of them had never heard of a G73-R and comment was made that the coating softened with heat (I sent mine to the guy I know to hear them and he took them to get tested), which with tfk having had years and years of experience doing, wasn't the norm for a tfk coated tube. The guy testing also had been offered sheets of the stickers used for those tubes previously, he obviously declined as he has morals.

Take from that what you will.

 

[nwavesailor]

Yea cant wait to test them with Magna/Immanis, they should be broken in by then. The wait for the Magna/Immanis demo unit is a few months.

@Doug2507 Apparently All telefunken G73 are fake

Jac may be right but there is a lot of info to the contrary.

Those of us that have them must all be wrong with what our ears tell us and but who knows.........perhaps Jac knows the truth.

There is quite a bit of info regarding these tubes if you dig and it is not from those selling the G73-r.

As others have mentioned you need to do your homework and we have all been bitten a time or 2.