[shivohum]

Just wanted to gauge community sentiment on the issue.

 

[Rizumu]

You know what I think.

 

[Sol_Zhen]

If you have a question as to why a thread was closed, why not ask a moderator?

That's what I'd do.

 

[CRESCENDOPOWER]

Well, I think most of the moderators are pretty bright fellows that can think for themselves, and 99% of the threads that get closed probably have it coming.
I’m not the perfect example of the absolute best conduct sometimes, so I probably shouldn’t be the one preaching, but there are children that visit this site also. However, being someone who has had his thread closed before without even a simple private message to clear up a simple misunderstanding, I voted "Yes. It's a matter of courtesy." And, if a moderator had one of his threads closed he should receive the same courtesy.

 

[shivohum]

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If you have a question as to why a thread was closed, why not ask a moderator?

But how do you know who closed it? Wouldn't you have to post another thread asking who closed it and why?

And even if you knew who closed it, is it elegant to make each person PM the moderator separately and force the moderator to send individual PMs back?

And wouldn't it be nice for people browsing the archives to be able to see quickly why a thread was closed?

 

[Sol_Zhen]

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Originally posted by shivohum But how do you know who closed it? Wouldn't you have to post another thread asking who closed it and why? And even if you knew who closed it, is it elegant to make each person PM the moderator separately and force the moderator to send individual PMs back? And wouldn't it be nice for people browsing the archives to be able to see quickly why a thread was closed?

If it was a recent lock, any mod should be able to view the admin action log and see who locked it and when. Then they can have that mod PM you.

Or, since this board system is governed by the same TOS throughout, any mod should be able to look at any locked thread and tell you why it was locked.

Maybe the General Discussion Board here needs a "Board Issues" subsection (kind of how the Take it Outside" forum is a subsection) where users can ask questions regarding board functionality, the TOS, and anything about why an admin action was done.

 

[Rizumu]

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Originally posted by Sol_Zhen Maybe the General Discussion Board here needs a "Board Issues" subsection (kind of how the Take it Outside" forum is a subsection) where users can ask questions regarding board functionality, the TOS, and anything about why an admin action was done.

Hey, that's actually a really good idea..

 

[wallijonn]

threads are closed for one simple rule - a bylaw was broken. read the notice you signed when you signed up. it's there in white and black.

you, as a thread starter, may not have broken the bylaw. but someone who responded most certaintly did. if a complaint is lodged against a thread, I'm sure that the moderators will see if there is any credence to it. if there is, especially if it looks like it is going to run away like a freight train, if it looks like the "situation" will escalate, it will be closed.

if it truly is offensive, it will be deleted; Head-Fi will go offline, no one will be able to log in, and the offending thread numbering schema will be changed to reflect that.

if you expect a modrator to PM the thread starter, expect to see a canned response: "the thread was closed due to Head-Fi's bylaws being abused."

I feel that moderators should not have to explain any actions they take. They are here to provide a service. They are reigning in the malcontents and childish behaviours. They are the Police, and one does not argue with the Law.

Accept it. learn from it. move on.

 

[Rizumu]

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Originally posted by wallijonn They are the Police, and one does not argue with the Law. Accept it. learn from it. move on.

Humans are fallible, and as long as it is such, the police are questionable. And how can you learn from something if you don't know what you've done wrong?

 

[Dusty Chalk]

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Originally posted by wallijonn I feel that moderators should not have to explain any actions they take.

I don't feel they do, either, but I don't think it's too much to ask which bylaw was broken. Especially in the cases where the offending post was deleted. Not everyone is on top of this forum at all times. I certainly am not. Last I read the babe thread, the limits of pornography were being pushed, but not crossed.

[RANTY]
Why would someone complain about that thread? Either you're interested, and reading it, or you're a babe (either literally or figuratively) and not (oversimplification, but you get the idea).

I mean, yes, I understand if the limits of pornography were crossed, that's pretty obvious -- jude is trying to keep this a family site, so that parents don't have to read the site to know if it's okay for a kid to visit it.

Personally, I look for my babes elsewhere.[/RANTY]

 

[wallijonn]

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the above does not state that they have to explain to anyone why they are removing, editing, moving or closing any thread.

When you hit the "report" button, this comes up: "This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts."

"PROBLEMATIC" post, gentlemen.

RUDE post, gentlemen.

FIGHTING, gentlemen.

HARRASSMENT, gentlement.

What is a "problematic" post?

What is a "rude" post?

What is a "fighting" post?

What is a "harassment" post?

just do not expect your idea of what constitutes the above to jive with your understanding. all final authority rests with the moderators. there is no "finnagelling". <venecular>

personally, I think the word "offensive", as in "offensive sensibilities" should be inserted.

go up to a total stranger. say something totally offensive. see what happens. I bet you that you will not do it more than twice.

 

[wallijonn]

Riz, Quote:

how can you learn from something if you don't know what you've done wrong?

I went out this past weekend.

the club closed at 2am.

outside, one guy was escorted out by guards.

the guy pushed a cop. (the guards did not escort him to the cops). he started swinging at the guards. the cop came over. he swung at the officer.

the officer said "You are under arrrest".

the guy probably woke up the next day with a hangover in jail.

"But, Judge, I do not remeber pushing the officer against the car and taking a swing at his jaw."

I saw it.

in NYC (or Mexico) the officer would have been in his right to swing his baton and crack his knee caps. the officer saw that he was inebriated. he put him in a choke fold and then handcuffed him.

 

[Outdoor Man]

I voted YES.

Peter.

 

[Zanth]

Usually, Mods will pm the person who violated some "bylaw" and either delete the post and/or edit it. If there are too many posts in a thread, or the thread itself is in violation, then it gets closed. As far as I know...most mods pm the person to make sure it does not happen again.

Sometimes this does not happen, usually because of a lack of time or some other such reason. But most here I am certain can discern why a thread was closed.

Common sense again...is the mitigating factor. If common sense is not used...obviously a thread will be locked or deleted entirely. It really is too bad that people forget to use the big CS. I really do appreciate it when people realize this is a public site and kids do read it.

 

[Outdoor Man]

I think that when a posting is deleted, the person needs an explanation.
Whe the thread is closed or deleted, more people needs a explenation.

Peter.