Originally Posted by Gatto /img/forum/go_quote.gif fair enough, doctors are human too, it's science. My grandmother died of cervical cancer when she was put through experimental treatments in the 70s and that hasn't stopped me from trusting doctors or going pre-med in college. what real benefit to cleaning out your ears yourself is there? ears typically take good care of themselves
It removed the slippery stuff so the silicone sleeve can adhere to the canal and become firmly secure. Otherwise you'd continually be pushing them back in.
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This info was posted some time ago in a similar thread by a certified MD that is also one of our members. Hope this helps to avoid more members to mess around with the ears, please read carefully, this is a professional opinion on the subject:
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Originally Posted by ericj /img/forum/go_quote.gif Pretty much every otolaryngologist in the world recommends not doing anything at all about earwax unless and until it becomes a problem.
Normal levels of cerumen actually help keep the canal clean, and protect your outer ear from bacterial and fungal infection.
It's worse, not better, to get rid of it all the time.
Unless there's too much, or it's become impacted.
I am an otolaryngologist. I couldn't agree more. Most people don't have enough cerumen in there ears to make a difference hearing-wise. Cerumen provides protection to your ear canal and messing with it can cause problems. Irrigating your ear is dangerous if done yourself and I really don't even recommend having it done by a doctor (that's what a lot of internal and family medicine docs do). It can cause eardrum perforation and infection. I've also seen several people have allergic-type reactions to peroxide containing cerumen removal drops. If you want to use drops to loosen cerumen, not irrigate it out, I recommend mineral oil or acetic acid otic solution. Then let the water get in your ear when you shower and wash the cerumen out. You can use a blow dryer on warm, not hot, for about a minute to dry the water out of your ear canals so you don't get an infection. I would only recommend having cerumen removed by an otolaryngologist. We use a microscope with direct visualization to remove it.
I'm not talking about those worthless formulated, approved ear cleaning kits sold over the counter. I'm talking alcohol. If bacteria can live in alcohol, fine, but I say it can't and the use of alcohol is good. I also use Witch Hazel *when needed*. That means *not all the time*.
You know, as far as I'm concerned, doctors can take a flying leap. There is not one of them that ever did me any good. If I didn't have money enough to provide them with Porches and gold plated golf clubs they didn't count me as worthy to heal. They are like cops, they have a "God ego". They have a little authority and everyone else become little people and are in need of correction.
I don't see anything wrong with removing excess wax from the ear canal, but using alcohol can create potentially serious adverse effects. One of them would be bacterial resistance. You are killing all the weak bacteria and encouraging the selection of stronger strains that are immune to antibacterial agents. Products containing alcohol are also harsh on tissue and can cause irritation. Bacteria love open tissue because it provides a wet and warm environment to thrive in. I don't contend that this will happen in the majority of cases, but I do think that it is a risk everyone should to be aware of.
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Originally Posted by lewislink /img/forum/go_quote.gif I'm not talking about those worthless formulated, approved ear cleaning kits sold over the counter. I'm talking alcohol. If bacteria can live in alcohol, fine, but I say it can't and the use of alcohol is good. I also use Witch Hazel *when needed*. That means *not all the time*.
You know, as far as I'm concerned, doctors can take a flying leap. There is one of them that ever did me anygood If I didn't have money enough to provide them with Porches and gold plated golf clubs. They are like cops, they have a "God ego". They have a little authority and everyone else become little people and are in need of correction.
I've never seen a worthy cop nor a worthy doc.
But you are not an specialist, so you do not know when, or if you need it. Also alcohol, as any other chemical not designed for that purpose, could create more problems than benefits. But at the end the ears are yours, I think I have done my best to warn you about the potential problems this practice may carry for your ears, now is up to you, to follow it, or disregard it, and keep on attempting to damage them...
Originally Posted by alex1pdx /img/forum/go_quote.gif I don't see anything wrong with removing excess wax from the ear canal, but using alcohol can create potentially serious adverse effects. One of them would be bacterial resistance. You are killing all the weak bacteria and encouraging the selection of stronger strains that are immune to antibacterial agents. Products containing alcohol are also harsh on tissue and can cause irritation. Bacteria love open tissue because it provides a wet and warm environment to thrive in. I don't contend that this will happen in the majority of cases, but I do think that it is a risk everyone should to be aware of.
Exactly! Now this is a person who has a couple brain cells communicating to each other. There is the possibility of anything causing harm to anyone. A person has to decide for themselves what's right, ultimately.
Originally Posted by Sovkiller /img/forum/go_quote.gif I think I have done my best to warn you about the potential problems this practice may carry for your ears, now is up to you, to follow it, or disregard it, and keep on attempting to damage them...
That right there is the problem. Who are you? Are you better and more than me? I abhor that attitude in a person and right now the USA is rife with it in government and everywhere, especially with the republicans and religious idiots thinking they know more than everyone and need to save us from ourselves. They are nothing but pompous, self important screwed-in-the-head idiots like the manager at my work.
How dare you think that you are more than me and know my body better than me. Crap like this isn't going to fly with me.
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Originally Posted by lewislink /img/forum/go_quote.gif That right there is the problem. Who are you? Are you better and more than me? I abhor that attitude in a person and right now the USA is rife with it in government and everywhere, especially with the republicans and religious idiots thinking they know more than everyone and need to save us from ourselves. They are nothing but pompous, self important screwed-in-the-head idiots like the manager at my work.
How dare you think that you are more than me and know my body better than me. Crap like this isn't going to fly with me.
This is not a pissing match, how old are you, man?
I finsh reading your comments about the doctors, of the ones I have read against this profession, this is killer, worth of a Nobel prize!!!! Do you really beleive all what you wrote there??? Sorry that is enough for me and sorry to bother you with my advice...
What is curious is how do you dare to call others "persons with two brain cells", that is really hilarious...
Yeah, whatever. You're small time, pal. I've had to suffer a hell of lot worse than you. And I'm still going, against their efforts!
And I'll continue on, putting up with crapheads who think too highly of themselves. It's a sad fact of life. But I will continue to do what I do, letting them know the aren't as important as they make themselves out to be.
Ditto
By the way, that was a very lame try at converting my humor and respect of the the person who made common sense into something vile. But you know you aren't all you think you are...I'm sure of it.
alcohol will dry out the ear, which is unhealthy, and will make it flakey and prone to infections AND hurt especially with IEMs.
follow what audiologists use and instead of rubbing alcohol, use olive oil. just coat the tips and put in. Also, let your canals soak in olive oil before showers - it loosens and breaks down the ear wax and then take a shower and rinse it out. wash the outside of your ears but not in your ear canals and tips should slide right in.
you are posting potentially dangerous information with no medical reasoning for it, in fact everyone here in the medical industry has told you it's dangerous, and you continue to fight. you keep saying everyone thinks they are better then you and trying to put you down, have you ever stopped to think this isn't about you? it is the fact that you are posting DIY home medical advice and you are not a doctor. This also isn't the first time you've posted things like this, it is DANGEROUS, you can get an infection, puncture your ear drum, lose your hearing when you mess with your ears. You are basically giving untrained people the perfect tools to hurt themselves and that is what is bothering people. and yes.. anybody can hurt themselves doing anything but I don't tell them how to, and neither should you.
Have you or any of the other who think they are righteous by nature stooped to listen to yourselves? You sound like you feel the need to save people from themselves. Like you're trying to buy your way into heaven or something.
For one thing, I'm going to give you an example of how it feels when you talk to a person like you know what's best for them. The example will come when you least expect it.
thats fine, you can try to make me feel stupid, and I don't believe in heaven, but I do believe people deserve the right to facts. and when it comes to medical facts they should only come from someone who was medically trained. there is no reason for this thread, obviously you also feel the need to 'help' people or you would have kept your little cleaning method to yourself.
edit: I'm done with, I've said what I think I need to say, which is you should not be posting medical advice without a medical license.
my intentions are not to fight with you, put you down, make you feel bad or anything like that. I just think what you posted can be potentially dangerous and should not be taken as advice on how to clean out your own ears.
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