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Striving for perfect sound is impossible task - therefore someones time, resources and energy are wasted on composing stereo equipment. It can be a compulsive behavior, which audio business live on. I don't want to be radical, so lets stay at 500$ point. When I cant enjoy 500$ audio system, it is not the fault of a stereo. It is just me being unhappy.
And there are some many phrases repetitively used in ads/media just to sell stuff. "True to live performance", "natural timbre", "big sound stage", "high resolution" ... does it ring a bell? None of that is particularity need, because all of that is already included in smaller hifi systems. Do you need 5%
wider sound-stage? Will 3% of
more natural sounding contra-bass make you happy? Maybe ... but feeling of satisfaction will probably last just for a few weeks. Or less.
Striving for perfect sound is possible, attaining it is what's impossible! But I think your numbers are W-A-Y off. Poor performing stereo systems are light years away from from what a proper stereo system will do. And the benefits of a better system last as long as you own it. Forget about price, when I can't fully enjoy a stereo system of whatever price it is indeed the fault of the system. It's failures are what is interfering with my musical enjoyment. BTW, a good system does not have to be all that expensive, just well chosen.
I think what you are describing is not "enjoying" the music but it is "listening" to the sound. I can't do such critical listening and simultaneously enjoy music. For me enjoyment is primarily emotional response, listening to sound is not ... is intellectual process. And it is difficult to keep both in my mind at he same time. Maybe you are different.
To me, the better the sound, the easier it is to emotionally respond to the music. The best is live concert, of course. But the closer my system comes to this, the more my brain can relax and respond emotionally rather than "fixing" or "listening around" the sound, which is an unnecesary diversion of mental process and generally also unnecessary in live music appreciation. I think you are confusing audiophiles in the process of evaluating a system with when they listening to that system for musical enjoyment. The evaluation process is useful mainly in optimising the system so that normal musical enjoyment is enhanced.
You have numerous examples of
blind listening where reviewers cant distinguish cheaper from very expensive.
Not really...
But when people tag something as better is usually because they knew the item was more expensive (these facts are proven with tests, and not only in audio). Why is that?
Vast generalization, not always true and far from "proven".
It is because experience is constructed in your brain, and brain is not only a grand virtual machine with libraries full of prepared generalizations (which are constructed from previous experiences), it also adds a bit of a spice on his own
So don't you think is possible that you attribute amount of musical enjoyment that you experience to notion that particular stereo system is good (resolution, spaciousness, natural timbre, etc)?
Of course the hearing/brain system is an indispensable part of musical enjoyment/discernement. But to me, the differences between a mediocre and excellent stereo system are so vast that anyone of normal hearing and perception who cares to (not that everyone does, for reasons of their own) can readily tell the difference. Whether that difference is important to them is a matter for them to decide.
I think you have numerous examples that this is true. Why than people experience joy when listening to inferior stereo machines? In my experience there is not much difference in entry level hifi (500$) and expensive stuff (let say 5000$+). Not so much that either would guaranteed you more or less musical enjoyment. My grandmother was always crying listening to operas on buy-of-the-shelf stereo. Why? The sound was certainly not similar to live performance. The sound was not particularly good even by hifi standards? Do you think she didn't experienced strong emotional response?
I can't address "your experience" with audio equipment, mine is quite different and as self-evident to me as your position is to you
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Music in and of itself can create joy (or sadness, or excitement or...) to some degree regardless of sound quality, after all just thinking about music can bring some level of satisfaction. But your Grandmother may have experienced even more intense emotional response if she had a better system. Certainly, I hope and trust she had heightened emotional reaction at a live concert. If sound doesn't particularly matter, why does anyone go to the bother of live concerts (leaving out those who go there to be seen, prove their "culture" or to make a partner happy)?
To answer the OP's original question "Do audiophiles "like music", the answer is some do and some don't, just like some non-audiophiles do and some don't.
Kevin