Deezer vs Qobuz

Feb 18, 2024 at 11:39 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 15

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About 2 years ago when my audio journey began I had auditioned several of the streaming services available before settling on Deezer. Qobuz was the best sounding but at the time it was missing a LOT of music that I had on my Spotify that I had used for a couple of years prior. I preferred Deezer over Tidal and settled in with it. I had since left the hobby, and have now returned. After revisiting Qobuz I've now found it to have everything that I had on my Deezer and promptly switched over. Just a couple of impressions between the two

Deezer

For $14.99 a month I got access to better quality audio than I had over Spotify. Tidal the two were a bit closer if not similar, I'd venture to say I thought Deezer sounded a BIT better hence my decision to use it but quite frankly I don't remember. Here are some of my complaints

- They recently updated the mobile app to show a collection of album covers above your playlist. Looks nice but it can slide down and obstruct your song list. If you close your phone and open back up you have to back out from the playlist and back in or you only see the names of 2 songs at a time.

- For whatever reason and only on my Tablet songs just fail to load. I have to manually push retry

The desktop app has a couple issues

- There is no gapless play available like in the mobile app. This is really annoying since so many albums blend songs together, it really takes you out of the experience

- If a song isn't downloaded it takes a good 2 - 4 seconds for playback to start. If downloaded, that cuts it down to about 1 second. So the issues with no gapless are farther accentuated

- When you exit an album, instead of taking you back to your location on the previous screen it puts you back to the top of the page. Also annoying when you have 100+ albums and you were moving between them

- The last big issue with Deezer is that some songs for whatever reason just tend to cut off early. This was most noticeable when listening to the album Dawn FM by The Weeknd. The Song Out of Time ends with a radio broadcast type of deal and it cuts off about a second short. I don't recall exactly if this happens elsewhere but as said, annoying especially since it's one of my favorite albums

Qobuz

For $12.99 a month I have access to all but 2 albums on my Deezer list. That being Dream Theater's Systematic Chaos and Alina Baraz Sunbeam EP. I'm not torn up over either. I've found every other song/playlist and then some

Sound quality is a nice step up. Comparing between the two services, their high quality albums have a higher resolution and the term that comes to me is blackground. In Steven Wilson's First Regret/3 Years older from his Hand Cannot Erase album the song starts off with rainfall and echoing of children's voices. On Qobuz the background is black, with defined rainfall and echoing of voices. On Deezer everything seems muddier, the black background isn't there, the rain and children's voices are noticably less clear. This continues throughout the song and same with other higher quality albums. Black backgrounds and more detailed sounds.

That's not to say all albums have these improvements. Pontus Hultgren Beyond the flow of time sounds the same as it did on Deezer, and even the higher quality Dangerous Worlds doesn't sound drastically different from the Deezer version despite being "Hi-Res". That being said recording quality makes a huge difference. A well recorded song on Qobuz will sound better even at cd quality than it does on Deezer.

My only complaint I've come across so far is when I randomize music and choose a track to start with, it doesn't play that track. It immediately randomizes the entire album/playlist. So if I want to hear a certain song first I need to push play on it and then turn on random.

Overall Qobuz has been an incredible experience so far. It's cheaper, it sounds better, doesn't have the issues described with Deezer. Figured it'd be nice to put this out there in case some people were curious about the two
 
Jul 11, 2024 at 6:04 PM Post #5 of 15
Is there noticeable music quality between the two?
I tried Tidal when I was auditioning all the different platforms and it's safe to say that Qobuz sounded the best. Tidal and Deezer were similar in sound quality.

A couple years back Qobuz didn't have nearly the library it has now
 
Jul 18, 2024 at 6:58 PM Post #8 of 15
Qobuz Sublime is awesome because the discount on high-res digital is substantial. I still prefer buying the media rather than merely streaming.

I dropped Deezer and Tidal last year.
 
Jul 18, 2024 at 7:07 PM Post #9 of 15
If the master that each service has is the same and they are both say CD quality where does a perceived difference come from ?

If they are both streaming the same 16/44.1 file losslessly to you how is it different one service versus the other ?

It would be interesting to see a null test from different services having confirmed the master is the same at both, I don't have the software to do that.

Of course there is also the question of whether Hi Res has any benefit to the end user versus CD quality which should be indistinguishable from Hi Res unless one has a very specific really quiet piece of a track where the noise floor difference can be artificially demonstrated by cranking the volume way up on both.
 
Jul 18, 2024 at 11:43 PM Post #10 of 15
If the master that each service has is the same and they are both say CD quality where does a perceived difference come from ?

If they are both streaming the same 16/44.1 file losslessly to you how is it different one service versus the other ?

It would be interesting to see a null test from different services having confirmed the master is the same at both, I don't have the software to do that.

Of course there is also the question of whether Hi Res has any benefit to the end user versus CD quality which should be indistinguishable from Hi Res unless one has a very specific really quiet piece of a track where the noise floor difference can be artificially demonstrated by cranking the volume way up on both.
Definitely hard to answer but certainly perceivable when going back and forth.

I found a big difference when listening through Roon and Audirvana as well. At first Audirvana sounded more technical, larger stage and imaging. But after a couple songs it's like it sucked the mids out of my music and everything had a really unnatural timbre to it. Speaking of Roon, I found a perceivable upgrade in sound quality when streaming Qobuz through it. It wasn't huge but it was there. Just wasn't big enough to pay $15 a month for
 
Jul 18, 2024 at 11:59 PM Post #11 of 15
Definitely hard to answer but certainly perceivable when going back and forth.

I found a big difference when listening through Roon and Audirvana as well. At first Audirvana sounded more technical, larger stage and imaging. But after a couple songs it's like it sucked the mids out of my music and everything had a really unnatural timbre to it. Speaking of Roon, I found a perceivable upgrade in sound quality when streaming Qobuz through it. It wasn't huge but it was there. Just wasn't big enough to pay $15 a month for

If they are the same master and all the streaming is truly lossless there can be no difference, that is the essence of lossless streaming services.

Is there some chance there was some processing involved ?

Or, I hate to say it, perhaps faulty perception due to expectation or even simply listening for differences ?

Such radical concepts as the psychology of audio are not allowed to be discussed outside of the science forum so I will leave it at that :relaxed:
 
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Jul 19, 2024 at 12:03 AM Post #12 of 15
I wish Qobuz was available in my country. I used Deezer and absolutely hated the latency and buggy-ness, especially when streaming via Sonos.

That being said, and for all the reasons to hate on Spotify, it just works. Sometimes I just want to listen to and discover music.
 
Jul 19, 2024 at 2:17 AM Post #13 of 15
I`m using Qobuz. When using my Auralic Aries streamer to Pontus 12th (head-fi station) I can set a start up delay in the Auralic Lightning DS app which is useful when listening to playlists that have different bitrate/resolution, so the Pontus has time to change its bitrate. But when using my stereo set up, with a Pontus 2 connected to a Windows pc I often get glitches and have to restart songs etc. so the Pontus 2 can catch up. I would really like for the Qobuz app to have a similar start-up delay as the Lightning DS app to avoid the glitches.
 
Jul 19, 2024 at 12:08 PM Post #14 of 15
If they are the same master and all the streaming is truly lossless there can be no difference, that is the essence of lossless streaming services.

Is there some chance there was some processing involved ?

Or, I hate to say it, perhaps faulty perception due to expectation or even simply listening for differences ?

Such radical concepts as the psychology of audio are not allowed to be discussed outside of the science forum so I will leave it at that :relaxed:
I'm not a fan of the audio science community myself. I would assume it's processing, I'd think they all have their differences. I have always been able to pinpoint differences in what I'm hearing wether it's miniscule or a larger jump. I'm firmly in the camp that cables and such make a difference, but I am also realistic in that these are incremental moves by themselves. Your biggest differences come from your headphones, amp and DAC.
 
Jul 19, 2024 at 7:45 PM Post #15 of 15
Fair enough.

I like to understand the technical stuff with anything I do and I don’t believe human perception of sound is as reliable as most people seem to treat it.
 

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