DAC 'Scam' vid

[sygnus21]

Scam video.... somebody pretending to know something they know nothing about.

 

[lexx21]

As I said... if you cant tell the difference between a 200 dollar dac and a 2000 dollar dac, get the 200 dollar dac and call your journey done.

There are those of us who actually can hear a difference and that difference is profound. If you cant hear the difference then get what you like and snuggle up with asr. They cant hear the difference either.

 

[smodtactical]

I think this guy is actually deaf.

Hahaha

 

[Tekk59]

Some of these guys claim as long as you have enough power, amps do not matter. It's a waste of time to entertain it.

 

[smodtactical]

Some of these guys claim as long as you have enough power, amps do not matter. It's a waste of time to entertain it.

Ya when I posted this vid in the headphones.com discord 1 guy said he wants proof amps make a difference. I am truly blown away.

 

[Tekk59]

Ya when I posted this vid in the headphones.com discord 1 guy said he wants proof amps make a difference. I am truly blown away.

Yeah, i seen a video of super reviews where he reviewed the zmf calderas and used a macbook to drive them. He ended up giving them a negative review. He also claimed there's no benefits to using a proper desktop hpa. smh

 

[CJ200]

A n00b question to the experts in this thread, if I may (and just to make sure this is not meant to troll, but simply out of interest): Can we really infer anything from the test re DACs and sound that the guy did at the end of his video, given that people will use vastly different setups to listen to his video? Again, I'm just curious, so please no (digital) rotten tomatoes.

 

[TonyTripleA]

Just raising a question I feel doesn’t get considered when talking differences in sound quality from DACs… and yes I hear them pretty clearly. But, am I hearing the output from the DAC itself or the DAC and its associated analogue output circuit? Surely it must be the later. After all the analogue signal must be impacted by the quality of the circuitry leading it to be output from the DAC. Even simple amplification can be done just okay or really well?

So hearing differences between DACs is not just hearing digital conversions, it’s also hearing analogue processing be it amplification or anything else.

So I’d expect to hear differences - even with the same DAC. Of course non chip DACs can add even more flavour to sound… and my chord TT2 is significantly different and recognisable from my Terminator not just using my ears but to everyone who has heard them side by side at my place. Not even close.

Just my 2 cents worth,

TonyAAA

 

[BS5711]

My experience is that apparently obvious audible differences between modern well designed solid state devices are no longer present when one can’t see what they are listening to provided the volume is accurately matched.

 

[gregorio]

Good news guys. All you need to spend is $200. Anything above that is snake oil.

It’s not “news”, that was established many years ago.

But, am I hearing the output from the DAC itself or the DAC and its associated analogue output circuit? Surely it must be the later. After all the analogue signal must be impacted by the quality of the circuitry leading it to be output from the DAC.

You’re not hearing either the output from the DAC itself, which is an analogue signal, nor the analogue output circuit because you can’t hear analogue signals, only acoustic sound. So the question is: Is the “impact” on the analogue signal enough to even be resolved into acoustic sound, because if not, there can be no question of it being audible. Obviously, if it doesn’t exist as sound then it cannot be audible.

Even simple amplification can be done just okay or really well?

Depends on what you mean by “really well”. If you mean audibly perfectly/transparently (the “impact” is inaudible), that has been possible for half a century or so and even modestly priced amplifiers could do that 35 or so years ago. Today, the analogue output circuitry of even modestly priced DACs can do it so well that the “impact” (imperfections/distortions) is below the level that can even exist as acoustic sound (at reasonable listening levels) and therefore, there can be no question of it being audible.

You should be aware though, there are a tiny number of audiophile DACs (and amps) that deliberately do not try to do it “really well”, they try to do it so badly that no only does the “impact” exist as sound but it can actually be audible. To do this, they either employ relatively ancient technology or a deliberately faulty digital to analogue conversion. Fortunately, there aren’t many examples of this available and they only exist in the audiophile community (rather than the wider audio community).

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[smodtactical]

It’s not “news”, that was established many years ago.


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LMAO

 

[gregorio]

LMAO

Indeed, and yet audiophiles are STILL getting suckered by the scam years later, so much so, that some don’t even seem to realised they’re being suckered despite actually seeing the evidence. LMAO

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[smodtactical]

Ya totally. I am one of them that has been swindled and bamboozled.

 

[BS5711]

Ya totally. I am one of them that has been swindled and bamboozled.

Do a blind comparison and you might change your mind.

 

[smodtactical]

Do a blind comparison and you might change your mind.

I feel violated. Time to sell PS DS, terminator and ANK and then get topping... Ie. True end game.