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Originally Posted by MrCookie989
I own a Zen Touch and before that a Karma and a Nomad Jukebox 3 before that, and I have to say that Creative can make some great players. A few things trouble me about them though, one being that they have lost many, many features over the years, and not to mention sound quality. The Nomad JB3 that came out 4 years ago if memory serves me right had a ton of features, like coax inputs and even 2 line outs for hooking up surround sound speakers, as well as dozens of different sound options like reverb effects and normalizers and even speed and pitch controls. Now, 4 years later all my Zen Touch has is about 9 EQ presets and the same 4-band user EQ from 2001. The overall sound quality is on par with the JB3, but I find it so odd that those great features just vanished alltogether (I think the Zen and Zen XTRA line had some of them, but they too had cuts). So im stuck with a player that is 4 years behind in features, with nothing new really aside from wonky touch controls and a random play button, thats literally it. If Creative wants to get a bigger piece of the pie, they need to start taking a hint from companies like Cowon and Rio and giving consumers more options, and Im not talking about video or any of that crap. They need to support lossess, and start pushing sound control and quality, because they are a company first known for sound, not white industrial design or slick marketing. No company can beat Apple at its own game right now. They are what Nintendo was in 1985, and that isnt going to change until Apple starts making stupid decisions. Rio is dead (goddammit that just isnt fair!), and unless Creative sets its sights elsewhere and bides its time instead of thinking it can declare war on Apple, they might suffer the same fate...that is as far as DAPs are concerned. Creative still has a nice beat on the soundcard market last time I checked, and Im pretty sure Apple aint gonna be making them anytime soon, or will they?
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MrCookie...You are the first person on this forum that I've seen own a Jukebox 3 and still prefer it to the newer versions.
I have owned a Nomad Jukebox 3 for nearly four years now and it's still kicking great! But it's getting a bit long in the tooth now and I'm looking to upgrade. The problem is, I love the features in firmware 1.32.02 and absolutely HATE the firmware changes Creative made to their players during the Jukebox days. Now, I don't know what the LATEST fimware does in Crative's players, but these are the changes I noticed when switching to 1.40.06.
Casualty #1.....
The new way tracks in the "Selected Menu" are treated. When the player is powered off after a certain period of time and starts with a cold bootup, tracks that were in the Selected Music menu that were not part of the playlist group you had active simply vanish and you are required to redistribute them manually back into the selected music menu for queue. That blows!
Changing from the good 'ole "Now Playing" screen to "Selected Music" brought another annoyance in its transition...
When you put the menu on Selected Music and leave it idle for a few seconds, it doesn't stay there and changes back to the *other* "Now Playing" window, where you only see details of the current track and not what's in queue. You have to keep pressing the now playing menu again just to look at, shuffle and organize your tracks. The previous firmwares doesn't do this and keeps the window on "Now Playing".
Finally, the straw that broke the camel's back for me......
The new feature "Displays queued playlists as groups rather than flat lists in the Selected Music screen" is more like a hinderance than it is a "feature". Because queued playlists are now in groups, the JB3 treats them as if they are part of an album group and as a result, in the Selected Music Menu, you can no longer rearrange and change the order of tracks you want played 'outside' of that particular playlist! You have to keep them within the playlist 'group' and cant for exmaple, move track "X" up to the top of the window if the group that it's in is below another playlist. ANNOYING!!!!!!
Why Creative took the time to make these stupid changes is BEYOND me! The Playist/Now Playing format was fine the way it was.
I had to reinstal firmware 1.32.02 back into my JB3 and BOY am I glad I did! 1.32.02 rocks! And has never given me any problems whatsoever other than the occasional once in a blue moon lockup.
Anyway Mr Cookie.... can you please tell me if it is worth upgrading from the Jukebox 3 to the new Zen series? Especially considering how much I am already satisfied with the SQ and UI? Will the new Zen players will allow me to use my old school firmware from my Nomad Jukebox? If not, I will have to consider switching to a whole new brand. But which one?
I have heard good things about the iAudo and iRiver players, but how do they compare sound quality-wise to the Nomad Jukebox 3 players? And do they alllow the user to do the same things that the Jukebox 3 does as far sound effects and features are concerned?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions