[Hokum]

Hello,

a difficult and probably quite individual/subjective topic: I'm searching for classical music that you associate with anger, and ESPECIALLY that generates anger in you.

(if you have a non-classical tip you really like please feel free to post it anyway, i just don't want a list consisting of slipknot songs and such.)


thanks.

 

[ken36]

Anything by Wagner.

 

[Aman]

Auerbach's Sonata No. 2 (subtitled "September 11") is a very angry piece.

 

[robm321]

Beethoven. Especially his later stuff.

May I ask why you are looking for this stuff?

 

[Hokum]

Hello,


thanks for the tips so far, I'll look into them.

@ Rob & Aman: If you have a specific piece in mind, please post them. Missa Solemnis, Diabelli Variations...? Der Fliegende Holländer, Siegfried...? (Obviously, except pieces of the Holländer, I never heard those...)


@Rob I like "tuning in" to the mood of music and films, I like art that emotionally affects me. While sadness, joy or desperation are rather easy to do - there are many pieces I like - I think anger is way more difficult to express musically.
And it is - this may be very subjective - even harder to affect the listener and to get him in the same state of mind. That's what I'm looking for.

 

[Tyson]

Angst and anger can be found in Bartok's String Quartet #4. Especially in the Emerson Quartet's performance.

 

[Hokum]

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Originally Posted by Tyson /img/forum/go_quote.gif Angst and anger can be found in Bartok's String Quartet #4. Especially in the Emerson Quartet's performance.

angst is quite the opposite of what I'm searching for. But the allegretto pizzicato is on spot, thanks.
(Nothing beats having my dad here with his itunes collection

takacs quartet version)

 

[robm321]

Cool - try String Quartet No. 16 in F major (Opus 135) - I don't know if it's anger but it the fuge sure sounds angry to me.


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Originally Posted by Hokum /img/forum/go_quote.gif Hello, thanks for the tips so far, I'll look into them. @ Rob & Aman: If you have a specific piece in mind, please post them. Missa Solemnis, Diabelli Variations...? Der Fliegende Holländer, Siegfried...? (Obviously, except pieces of the Holländer, I never heard those...) @Rob I like "tuning in" to the mood of music and films, I like art that emotionally affects me. While sadness, joy or desperation are rather easy to do - there are many pieces I like - I think anger is way more difficult to express musically. And it is - this may be very subjective - even harder to affect the listener and to get him in the same state of mind. That's what I'm looking for.

 

[Sherwood]

I think Don Giovanni is absolutely filled with anger. As are its derivatives, like Liszt's Don Juan.

 

[SysteX]

I would look into Rachmaninoff, Shostakovitch, and Rimsky-Korsikov. All are on the aggressive and dark side.

 

[Check]

I'm listening to Beethoven's 9th right now. I don't know if you would call it angry music exactly, but it is most definitely intense.

 

[FalconP]

Anger is a difficult emotion to put in music because it is so contextualised: a normal person can feel happy for no reason at all, become depressed without knowing why, or get caught in some dread with no name -- but almost invariably, anger has a cause. A piece of music, even when loud, brashly or violent, is not likely to convey the sense of anger in the audience unless the composer somehow provide background information as to why the audience should feel angry.

Some "sea music", in particular the "Storm" movement in Britten's Four Sea Interludes from Peter Grimes, sounds angry to me; but I don't suppose it is a universal response.

Composers of Operas have a much easier times conveying anger: to me the most angry scene in opera is the finale of Zemlinsky's A Florentine Tragedy: where the merchant Simon strangles the prince who has been messing with his wife. Listen to a capable Baritone and feel his masculine, vehement fire.

 

[mbhaub]

Very angry music: Vaughan Williams symphony no. 4. Almost anything by Rouse. The Roger Sessions 2nd symphony. And the guaranteed to set your teeth on edge, cause a divorce, or your neighbor's foot to come through the wall: Arthur Schnabel's (yes, the pianist) symphony no. 2.

 

[Gatticus]

Tchaikovsky did some stuff that was based on dark depression but not so sure about angst.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_I...#Musical_works

Tchaikovsky's earlier symphonies are generally optimistic works of nationalistic character, while the later symphonies are more intensely dramatic, particularly the Sixth, generally interpreted as a declaration of despair.

 

[Hokum]

Hi, thanks again for the numerous tips. This has become a nice long list, I'm working my way through.

@FalconP I think your opinion is very true. Again, expressing anger is rather feasible, while really upsetting the audience, MAKING them angry, is most difficult (you know how I mean it

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Again, Angst is definitely NOT what I'm looking for. Definitely not a feeling I like to dive into. Sadness, Joy, Anger can be very purifying.
I'm looking for music that you associate with violent, extroverted feelings, but not necessarely unpleasant.