Chord Electronics - Blu Mk. 2 - The Official Thread

Sep 4, 2017 at 4:00 PM Post #1,381 of 4,918
Yes, that's exactly what I found. The Blu II CD highlighted deficiencies in my streaming setup that had hitherto not been apparent. I have resolved this now through using a Zenith SE Roon core server plugged directly into BluDave by USB. Now file playback equal and even surpass Blu CD replay. Tidal also sounds fantastic. Other than resolving the BNC cables, my system is completely finished.

Link to Zenith here: http://innuos.com/en/catalog/go/zenith-se-mk2-std

It's good to know you were able to surpass CD playback with the Zenith. The Zenith looks like a wonderfully versatile device. It ticks off many boxes for me although it looks like they are targeting only the UK /EU market.
 
Sep 4, 2017 at 4:04 PM Post #1,382 of 4,918
...frankly, I am very surprised that a few cheap ferrites can make as much difference as they do and my conclusion is that I shall be going with the cheap cables and ferrites at a total cost of £85. ...

Yes, its true, Throwing water on a fire is a better than trying to dowse it with blankets ..even expensive ones. Targeting a problem with a true vs approximate solution. So please can nobody else now say that blankets are better than water and its a matter of personal preference as to which puts out fires better.
 
Sep 4, 2017 at 4:22 PM Post #1,383 of 4,918
Yes, its true, Throwing water on a fire is a better than trying to dowse it with blankets ..even expensive ones. Targeting a problem with a true vs approximate solution. So please can nobody else now say that blankets are better than water and its a matter of personal preference as to which puts out fires better.

I admit to not knowing what you are talking about I am afraid.

The issue as far as I and others were concerned was whether expensive exotic BNC cables were necessary in order to filter out RF and other interference because there did seem to be a feeling that the exotic cables might well sound better.

The conclusion from Rob Watts and Malcyg is that having tried ferrite cores with pretty cheap BNC cables they are happy that this combination provides as good performance as the exotic cables and this is what I am trying when my ferrite cores arrive tomorrow.

Of course as per usual, it is a free world and one is not trying to stop the purchase of exotic digital cables if that is what one wishes to do.
 
Sep 4, 2017 at 4:24 PM Post #1,384 of 4,918
Yes, its true, Throwing water on a fire is a better than trying to dowse it with blankets ..even expensive ones. Targeting a problem with a true vs approximate solution. So please can nobody else now say that blankets are better than water and its a matter of personal preference as to which puts out fires better.

Not sure about that analogy - doesn't it depend on the fire? Then again, I'm no fireman :-)
 
Sep 4, 2017 at 4:31 PM Post #1,385 of 4,918
Not sure about that analogy - doesn't it depend on the fire? Then again, I'm no fireman :)

I thought water and electricity didn't mix!
 
Sep 4, 2017 at 5:17 PM Post #1,386 of 4,918
My ferrites should have arrived today, but I'm working away and won't be able to try them until later this week. I. Was partly relieved by Romaz' post and his detection of glare. I'd also noticed this and wondered if my unit was defective as no one else had mentioned it. I thought the problem might be the injection of RFI into my Dave, as the glare went when I disconnected the Blu II, but could find no solution. I'm hoping the ferrites will remedy matters.
 
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Sep 4, 2017 at 5:56 PM Post #1,388 of 4,918
Further to my previous post regarding the ferrites, I have a better picture now and frankly, I am very surprised that a few cheap ferrites can make as much difference as they do and my conclusion is that I shall be going with the cheap cables and ferrites at a total cost of £85. (yes, that's £85 Triode!)

I have nothing to add to my previous post about the impact and it will be interesting to see what others think when they get theirs. I tried a few BNC cables previously and the cable that sounded the best to me cost more than £4,000 a pair - although with a discount and p/ex I would be paying less than half of that. Nonetheless, I was apprehensive about spending that much and Rob's ferrite recommendation has saved me a not insignificant sum - thank you Rob. Mind you, I'll ignore how much he has cost me over the past couple of years!

There may be a bonus as well - I have the cables attached to my preferred Dave inputs 3&4 and I haven't had a single drop out all day. Previously, I was getting occasional drop outs and had to switch to inputs 1&2 to resolve that.

I have not compared the cheap ferrite cables with the more expensive ones because it is a chore doing these comparisons and I don't really want to do any more. My memory tells me that there is no tangible difference between them now, but I don't want run the risk that I may still prefer the other cables. I'm happy with things as they stand and that's going to be the end of it for me.

I am 55 and will be 'retiring' next month and my wife agreed that I could do whatever I needed, within reason, to get the main system totally sorted by the end of this month, which is why I have been checking a few things out lately - I quite dislike testing things as I find it a bit of a chore, and quite tiresome. My main system is done now and all that is left is to enjoy it for hopefully many years to come. I really appreciate the various challenges and bits of input from this forum that have helped me along the way and good luck to the rest of you in sorting out your own setup.

What is the length of cable you finally settle on?
 
Sep 4, 2017 at 7:33 PM Post #1,389 of 4,918
I looked at the Antipodes DX - it was quite expensive but what ruled it out for me was that it did not have an Ethernet output. This means that you are stuck with the USB output and, if some modern tech end point comes along at a later point which gives better performance, you are stuck. The Zenith permits connection to an end point without a round trip through your network. I found the network round trip to have a negative impact when trying to match my file playback with the Blu CD sound quality so, for future flexibility, a server with two Ethernet ports was essential for me. Surprisingly, there aren't many around. The Melco has it - I have one - but it cannot operate as Roon core and I had concluded that I had to have a Roon core wired directly into BluDave with nothing in between. The Zenith was the only one that I found that operates as a Roon core and has twin Ethernet ports and direct USB out. Fortunately, it sounds ok! Actually, I should add that the build of the server is also significant and that the Zenith Mk II sounded a little better than the Melco whilst the SE is quite a step up again, so it's not just the network and I didn't mean to imply that.

Direct USB out from the Zenith easily betters the Ethernet out to my mRendu into BluDave by USB, but that may not always be the case with the pace of development and I think some degree of future proofing is essential when contemplating not insignigficant sums of money. I think we all hate it when our shiny new device is bettered by some much cheaper new kid on the block.

If the Zenith was comparable to the Antipodes DX in sound quality, that's saying a lot and it gives me some point of reference I can relate to as I hold the DX in very high regard. I have heard the Melco also and while SQ was very good (also better than the microRendu), I agree, lack of Roon was a deal breaker, especially since Melco's interface options are so archaic in comparison.

You are correct, technology in the area of music servers is advancing quickly and rapidly becoming less expensive which is good for all consumers. There is no longer any justification for buying something like a $17k Aurender W20 as I long ago surpassed the SQ I was getting from a W20 at a fraction of the cost. Having opened up and taken apart several of these well-regarded servers and as I have assessed the individual impact of various components, I have drawn the conclusion that it boils down to 3 things: low noise, low latency and low impedance -- but this is easier said than done.

Perhaps the foundation of it all is the power supply and I have yet to find a power supply that can do what Paul Hynes' SR7 can do, better than even ultra-capacitor based PSUs that I have on hand. For example, the Zenith appears to use a well-implemented linear PSU based on a single transformer that then feeds 3 rails. Noise output from its regulators are claimed to be 40uV which is very good as this is nearly 25x less noisy than the LT1083 regulators (about 1,000-2000uV) used by the popular HDPlex LPSUs. However, Paul Hynes' regulator circuits, which are of his own design, have noise levels in the 4uV range, about 10x quieter than the Zenith. Is this audible? Yes, very much so.

Perhaps even more important is output impedance which is, in a simplistic sense, the agility of a power supply to be able to respond rapidly to current requirements that are important not just for macrodynamics but also for microdynamics. It allows for the ability to glean dynamic shadings and subtle nuances within a passage. Notes start and stop more cleanly. Very few PSU makers report this value either because they are unaware that this is important, because their supplies have very high impedance and so they prefer not to advertise it, or because they don't have the equipment to measure it. It would be ideal to have an impedance of zero ohms but the reality is that all electronics have some impedance. A well regarded switching PSU I have on hand has a measured output impedance of about 50 milliohms and so I will assume that some of the finer LPSUs out there will be better than this even though most have no measurements to report (including Zenith). The large Vinnie Rossi ultracapacitor-based PSU has a reported output impedance of about 16 milliohms and indeed, that is a wonderful sounding PSU. The small LPS-1 by Uptone Audio is probably a little better than this but they are unable to report values because they don't own measuring equipment. Paul Hynes' SR7 has an output impedance of <3 milliohms from DC all the way to 100kHz. I have yet to hear anything that can do what the SR7 can do and so not surprisingly, I consider the SR7 as the foundation to any server I build. Should you decide to commission Paul to build a PSU to replace the one in your Zenith, I'm fairly certain you will notice an improvement that will not be subtle.

As far as the server hardware itself, as I see it, it really has 2 functions with regards to audio playback. The first is the more mundane task of music storage, library management and in some cases, DSP. If you are a non-Chord DAC user and have bought into the popular trend of upsampling to DSD via HQP, then this is one more task that falls into this category. These functions require heavy lifting, especially with large music collections, and, therefore, the utilization of noisy components such as a powerful CPU, large amounts of RAM (that consume up to 4A in burst), and noisy hard drives or SSDs (SSDs are not noisy acoustically but noisy in terms of adding HF noise to the signal). As an aside, I find the modern SSDs to be considerably noisier and to the detriment of SQ than a spinning hard drive and should be avoided, imo. Careful A/B testing easily bears this out, especially to my ears which are very sensitive to HF noise and is perhaps partially responsible for the "digititus" that many analog lovers describe. The second function of a server is the rendering of the file so that it can be transmitted to your DAC and this is what is so crucial. Rendering a PCM file requires very little CPU power and very little RAM. In other words, rendering requires no heavy lifting at all.

When you have a single box that serves as both a server and a renderer (i.e. a basic PC or Mac), you are basically unnecessarily using more CPU and RAM than is necessary to render. Along with the noise generated by the CPU and RAM is the noise generated by the hard drives or SSDs and noise generated by all the switching regulators and noisy clocks on the motherboard. Does this reach DAVE, even with its well-implemented galvanic isolation? Yes, my ears clearly tell me it does. I believe the benefits heard by applying ferrite filters to cables proves very well DAVE's galvanic isolation is not 100 percent, and it's not just noise in the ground plane that's the issue but more importantly, noise that gets permanently imbedded into the signal that can't be removed because at some point, I believe, this noise becomes part of the signal. It's like making a photocopy of a photocopy. You keep doing this and eventually, you have no idea what the original should look like. I say this because even using optical via DAVE which is completely impervious to RF in the ground plane, I can still easily hear the impact of noise reducing changes that I implement in the server.

Now, there are several reasons small renderers like the microRendu, ultraRendu or SOtM's sMS-200 have the potential to sound better than large box servers. First, these small renderers are now isolated from the noisy server via a connection (Ethernet) that is inherently galvanically isolated (although this isolation is not perfect either). Second, as previously stated, because rendering requires no heavy lifting at all, these small renderers utilize hardware that require very little current for operation. As such, it is considerably easier and less expensive to build a low noise, low impedance PSU for these devices that draw less than 1A of current. Third, because these devices are small, they have very short signal paths resulting in very low latency but also low impedance. Finally, unlike standard PC motherboards you can buy, these small devices use custom motherboards that are largely devoid of noisy switching regulators and also utilize better clocks with low phase noise characteristics.

There are single box devices (such as the Antipodes and your Zenith) that can sound considerably better than a PC or Mac because what they have done is they have avoided noisy hardware. I can't speak for what is in the Zenith but with the Antipodes DX, I have opened up this machine and found that they are using a small mini-ITX motherboard with an embedded Celeron CPU that draws only 8-10 watts peak. Mark Jenkins specifically found that simple CPUs like a Celeron sound better than more complex CPUs like the i3/i5/i7. My own testing seems to support this. Furthermore, these devices use only as little RAM as necessary. I have found, for example, that 2GB of RAM sounds better than 4GB and considerably better than 8 or 16GB. 16GB of RAM can draw as much as 4A in bursts! The Antipodes uses an SSD for its OS. Interestingly, I found that the OS drive has a greater impact on SQ than the drive that stores your music collection (assuming you use a different drive for each). The probable explanation for this is that an OS drive is constantly churning (and drawing current) while a storage drive becomes idle once the music file has been buffered into RAM. While a hard drive sounds better than SSD, it's not good to have a spinning drive in your server due to the vibrations that it creates and so I have avoided all internal hard drives for this reason. What I found to sound best is compact flash and so I have 2TB of compact flash that I am using for storage but to use a compact flash drive for OS duty presents many challenges. What I found to be the best solution as an OS drive is to use an older SATA II SSD that utilizes SLC memory and the smaller capacity, the better the SQ. These drives consume only about 100mA of current, considerably less than SATA III SSDs which can consume as much as 1.2A in bursts. They also generate much less HF noise (which is in the 6GHz range). I was able to find an NOS 64GB Intel X25E SLC SSD on Ebay for only $80 and SLC SSDs will likely outlive many of us because they have very long life cycles. Coupled with a well-insulated OCC copper SATA cable by Pachanko cables (here we go with cables again) and an SOtM SATA filter, I have been able to get this SSD to sound better than a spinning hard drive and equivalent to a compact flash drive. Moving on, the Antipodes DX also utilizes SOtM's very well regarded tX-USBhubIN which is a specialized USB output card that re-renders the original signal to an even cleaner one as it powered independently by a separate rail from its PSU, incorporates a low noise clock and is almost completely devoid of any noisy switching regulators. No matter how clean the original signal, I have found that re-rendering it with an Iso Regen or a tX-USBultra results in even better SQ and so in my setup, I am using both.

Regarding the OS, this has everything to do with latency resulting in software errors that definitely impact SQ. Inherently, I find MacOS to sound better than Windows 10 with Linux sounding best of all, however, with optimization using such tools like Audiophile Optimizer, Windows Server 2016 is even better yet. The advantage of Windows is you get to use Chord's ASIO driver which has functional advantages over the drivers used by MacOS and Linux. Furthermore, Windows has the broadest compatibility with regards to software players beyond Roon. Spotify HiFi (lossless) and Pandora lossless are reportedly in the works. Who knows when they get released to Linux but for sure, you will see them in Windows immediately. The advantage of Roon beyond SQ is that you never have to see your OS. You can control everything via Roon's GUI with any tablet or smart phone.

While the above sounds overly complicated, if you know what to do, it's very easy to do this yourself and it doesn't have to be expensive, depending on how far you wish to take it. For example, we are talking about a motherboard that costs less than $200 and RAM that sells for $30. As previously stated, my OS drive cost $80. Compact flash isn't overly expensive these days. You can stick with your NAS but unless you replace the clocks on your router and power it cleanly, it won't sound as good as direct storage is what I have found. For those that wish to avoid the aggravation, then there are such turnkey devices like the Antipodes DX (or Zenith), however, having heard the DX, I don't believe its PSU is in the same class as Paul Hynes' SR7 because even without full replacement of clocks, my server sounds better.

What is truly icing on the cake is the replacement of the noisy clocks within the server but also within the renderer and thus far, I don't know of any one who has been insane enough to do what I have done to the extent that I have done it but after hearing the results, I believe it can serve as a blueprint for perhaps the ultimate server of the future. With clock replacement, this is not a jitter issue but a noise issue. These stock clocks don't provide timing to the signal (ie 44 or 48kHz), they provide timing to allow proper functioning of certain components and are very noisily powered. This noise is directly imparted upon the signal and as I have gradually replaced these clocks, I am astounded by how much more open and airy the soundstage becomes and how details are cleaner and easier to glean as if veils upon veils have been removed but perhaps what is unique is this "buttery smoothness" that I have previously used as a descriptor. I simply have never heard smoothness (without compromise of detail) like this before, even from Blu2, and I can assure you, DAVE reveals these changes brilliantly. What I previously thought were bad recordings that were unlistenable for more than a few seconds suddenly have become very palatable recordings.

For those looking to build something on their own, the following are my key ingredients to success:

1. Paul Hynes SR7. It is unlikely this PSU will be surpassed by another PSU anytime soon. For me, this is a statement PSU that is as end game as any component I am aware of. As many know, Paul is based in Scotland. I am impressed by how many of the very best products that I admire seem to be coming from the UK these days. (MQA might be the exception, lol).

2. SOtM sCLK-EX. This is a clock board that can be used to replace any clock on any device. This single board can be used to replace up to 4 clocks. As an example, most routers utilize 2 clocks, a network switch utilizes 1 clock, a motherboard utilizes a single system clock that then serves as a reference for many subclocks (DPLL). Most input and output cards (USB, Ethernet) utilize 1 clock. Most endpoints (Iso Regen, microRendu, ultraRendu, tX-USBultra, sMS-200, etc) utilize 1 or 2 clocks. In my particular chain, I replaced 8 clocks. Each sCLK-EX board costs about $1100 with 4 clocks activated and so I own 2 of these boards.

3. Mutec REF10 master clock. This master clock generator is used to synchronize all the clocks that have been replaced with the sCLK-EX to its own 10MHz OCXO clock. This is reportedly the finest OCXO clock there is today with respect to phase noise (which is the most important quality for audio) and easily surpasses the phase noise of atomic clocks (rubidium). It is not likely to be bettered anytime soon. At about 3,200 Euros, this device is expensive but considering what it has the potential of doing (ie elevating your server to "finest in the world" status), I consider it a bargain.

My current server is undergoing final modifications (hopefully, the last) and I should receive it back soon from Korea. Once I receive it, I will report back on how it impacts BluDAVE but having just heard the impact of swapping an inexpensive Pangea USB cable with SOtM's latest USB cable with my Blu2, I have no doubt it will add to what BluDAVE provides.
 
Sep 4, 2017 at 7:54 PM Post #1,390 of 4,918
He has purchased the materials to construct them so I don't understand what you are saying about him not being able to afford them. Unless you mean he would not want to buy them himself if he had to pay the price he has set in the market. This would mean that his profit margins are quite low or more likely, his markups on costs are too high.

HFC's latest Elite RCA interconnects are selling for $60k per pair. This is a statement piece designed for audio shows and they will be lucky to sell 1-2 pairs per year, if that. Raw materials alone (not including the intensive labor involved) for these interconnects are probably in excess of $20k based on what I now the raw materials for his standard Pro RCAs cost. Even the owners of some successful audio companies can't afford $20k for interconnects. The owner of this company personally told me he can't afford some of his highest end gear even at his cost. He builds them because there are people out there that can afford them and are willing to pay these prices.

From the geometry in the photo, it looks like there may be only 4 walls in this room. If so, then symmetry is not possible when no walls are parallel to each other. Can you clarify what you mean or are there missing facts about the number of walls in that room?
GG

Yes, with all the acoustical treatments that you see, the goal was to avoid parallel walls to minimize the creation of standing waves.

This room cost Magico $250,000 to build. It is a floating room built from an outer shell of 5" of Quiet Rock with an inner shell measuring 33' L x 22' W and 13' H constructed on resilient channels of 2" of sheet rock (which act as a membrane trapping the bass down to 25Mhz). The inner room is treated with a variety of RPG's wooden acoustical diffusor panels. Noise floor of the room itself is 24dBC SPL, probably the lowest noise floor of any listening room short of an anechoic chamber. This is where I got this specific info:

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/magico-ultimate-iii-horn-loaded-loudspeaker/
 
Sep 4, 2017 at 8:16 PM Post #1,391 of 4,918
MQA News here. Chord needs to pay some mind to the progress of MQA ...regardless of the technical merits vs M-Scaler WTA. Fact is, we can buy MQA decoding for much less than M-Scaler decoding.

I recall Rob telling me at CES back in January that he had a hardware MQA decoder at his disposal as far back as summer of 2016 and he indeed tried it. Why not give people options? The problem is that it led to degradation of SQ, not just to Rob's ears but to everyone at Chord who heard it. There was rumor that Chord might employ an MQA decoder into Poly (which is not Rob's device) but only if it made sense. Poly is not available yet but in Munich, I saw no hint of MQA in Poly and so it must not have made sense (why would it except for those who chose to use Poly with non-Chord DACs?).

Having heard the impact of MQA in various DACs, in some cases it made almost no difference (Aurender A10), in other cases in made a moderate amount of difference (Mytek Brooklyn) and in 1 particular case, it seemed to make a huge difference (MSB Select II). People can draw their own conclusions but with respect to Rob's DACs, the conclusion I drew was that he is already playing at a much higher plane than anyone else such that something like MQA actually dumbs down his product. Having now heard most every DAC that I would care to hear, I am convinced there is no finer digital front end than BluDAVE and if Rob can confirm through Davina that there is no more to be gained with more TAPS, then BluDAVE will happily be end game for me as well.
 
Sep 4, 2017 at 8:22 PM Post #1,392 of 4,918
If the Zenith was comparable to the Antipodes DX in sound quality, that's saying a lot and it gives me some point of reference I can relate to as I hold the DX in very high regard. I have heard the Melco also and while SQ was very good (also better than the microRendu), I agree, lack of Roon was a deal breaker, especially since Melco's interface options are so archaic in comparison.

You are correct, technology in the area of music servers is advancing quickly and rapidly becoming less expensive which is good for all consumers. There is no longer any justification for buying something like a $17k Aurender W20 as I long ago surpassed the SQ I was getting from a W20 at a fraction of the cost. Having opened up and taken apart several of these well-regarded servers and as I have assessed the individual impact of various components, I have drawn the conclusion that it boils down to 3 things: low noise, low latency and low impedance -- but this is easier said than done.

Perhaps the foundation of it all is the power supply and I have yet to find a power supply that can do what Paul Hynes' SR7 can do, better than even ultra-capacitor based PSUs that I have on hand. For example, the Zenith appears to use a well-implemented linear PSU based on a single transformer that then feeds 3 rails. Noise output from its regulators are claimed to be 40uV which is very good as this is nearly 25x less noisy than the LT1083 regulators (about 1,000-2000uV) used by the popular HDPlex LPSUs. However, Paul Hynes' regulator circuits, which are of his own design, have noise levels in the 4uV range, about 10x quieter than the Zenith. Is this audible? Yes, very much so.

Perhaps even more important is output impedance which is, in a simplistic sense, the agility of a power supply to be able to respond rapidly to current requirements that are important not just for macrodynamics but also for microdynamics. It allows for the ability to glean dynamic shadings and subtle nuances within a passage. Notes start and stop more cleanly. Very few PSU makers report this value either because they are unaware that this is important, because their supplies have very high impedance and so they prefer not to advertise it, or because they don't have the equipment to measure it. It would be ideal to have an impedance of zero ohms but the reality is that all electronics have some impedance. A well regarded switching PSU I have on hand has a measured output impedance of about 50 milliohms and so I will assume that some of the finer LPSUs out there will be better than this even though most have no measurements to report (including Zenith). The large Vinnie Rossi ultracapacitor-based PSU has a reported output impedance of about 16 milliohms and indeed, that is a wonderful sounding PSU. The small LPS-1 by Uptone Audio is probably a little better than this but they are unable to report values because they don't own measuring equipment. Paul Hynes' SR7 has an output impedance of <3 milliohms from DC all the way to 100kHz. I have yet to hear anything that can do what the SR7 can do and so not surprisingly, I consider the SR7 as the foundation to any server I build. Should you decide to commission Paul to build a PSU to replace the one in your Zenith, I'm fairly certain you will notice an improvement that will not be subtle.

As far as the server hardware itself, as I see it, it really has 2 functions with regards to audio playback. The first is the more mundane task of music storage, library management and in some cases, DSP. If you are a non-Chord DAC user and have bought into the popular trend of upsampling to DSD via HQP, then this is one more task that falls into this category. These functions require heavy lifting, especially with large music collections, and, therefore, the utilization of noisy components such as a powerful CPU, large amounts of RAM (that consume up to 4A in burst), and noisy hard drives or SSDs (SSDs are not noisy acoustically but noisy in terms of adding HF noise to the signal). As an aside, I find the modern SSDs to be considerably noisier and to the detriment of SQ than a spinning hard drive and should be avoided, imo. Careful A/B testing easily bears this out, especially to my ears which are very sensitive to HF noise and is perhaps partially responsible for the "digititus" that many analog lovers describe. The second function of a server is the rendering of the file so that it can be transmitted to your DAC and this is what is so crucial. Rendering a PCM file requires very little CPU power and very little RAM. In other words, rendering requires no heavy lifting at all.

When you have a single box that serves as both a server and a renderer (i.e. a basic PC or Mac), you are basically unnecessarily using more CPU and RAM than is necessary to render. Along with the noise generated by the CPU and RAM is the noise generated by the hard drives or SSDs and noise generated by all the switching regulators and noisy clocks on the motherboard. Does this reach DAVE, even with its well-implemented galvanic isolation? Yes, my ears clearly tell me it does. I believe the benefits heard by applying ferrite filters to cables proves very well DAVE's galvanic isolation is not 100 percent, and it's not just noise in the ground plane that's the issue but more importantly, noise that gets permanently imbedded into the signal that can't be removed because at some point, I believe, this noise becomes part of the signal. It's like making a photocopy of a photocopy. You keep doing this and eventually, you have no idea what the original should look like. I say this because even using optical via DAVE which is completely impervious to RF in the ground plane, I can still easily hear the impact of noise reducing changes that I implement in the server.

Now, there are several reasons small renderers like the microRendu, ultraRendu or SOtM's sMS-200 have the potential to sound better than large box servers. First, these small renderers are now isolated from the noisy server via a connection (Ethernet) that is inherently galvanically isolated (although this isolation is not perfect either). Second, as previously stated, because rendering requires no heavy lifting at all, these small renderers utilize hardware that require very little current for operation. As such, it is considerably easier and less expensive to build a low noise, low impedance PSU for these devices that draw less than 1A of current. Third, because these devices are small, they have very short signal paths resulting in very low latency but also low impedance. Finally, unlike standard PC motherboards you can buy, these small devices use custom motherboards that are largely devoid of noisy switching regulators and also utilize better clocks with low phase noise characteristics.

There are single box devices (such as the Antipodes and your Zenith) that can sound considerably better than a PC or Mac because what they have done is they have avoided noisy hardware. I can't speak for what is in the Zenith but with the Antipodes DX, I have opened up this machine and found that they are using a small mini-ITX motherboard with an embedded Celeron CPU that draws only 8-10 watts peak. Mark Jenkins specifically found that simple CPUs like a Celeron sound better than more complex CPUs like the i3/i5/i7. My own testing seems to support this. Furthermore, these devices use only as little RAM as necessary. I have found, for example, that 2GB of RAM sounds better than 4GB and considerably better than 8 or 16GB. 16GB of RAM can draw as much as 4A in bursts! The Antipodes uses an SSD for its OS. Interestingly, I found that the OS drive has a greater impact on SQ than the drive that stores your music collection (assuming you use a different drive for each). The probable explanation for this is that an OS drive is constantly churning (and drawing current) while a storage drive becomes idle once the music file has been buffered into RAM. While a hard drive sounds better than SSD, it's not good to have a spinning drive in your server due to the vibrations that it creates and so I have avoided all internal hard drives for this reason. What I found to sound best is compact flash and so I have 2TB of compact flash that I am using for storage but to use a compact flash drive for OS duty presents many challenges. What I found to be the best solution as an OS drive is to use an older SATA II SSD that utilizes SLC memory and the smaller capacity, the better the SQ. These drives consume only about 100mA of current, considerably less than SATA III SSDs which can consume as much as 1.2A in bursts. They also generate much less HF noise (which is in the 6GHz range). I was able to find an NOS 64GB Intel X25E SLC SSD on Ebay for only $80 and SLC SSDs will likely outlive many of us because they have very long life cycles. Coupled with a well-insulated OCC copper SATA cable by Pachanko cables (here we go with cables again) and an SOtM SATA filter, I have been able to get this SSD to sound better than a spinning hard drive and equivalent to a compact flash drive. Moving on, the Antipodes DX also utilizes SOtM's very well regarded tX-USBhubIN which is a specialized USB output card that re-renders the original signal to an even cleaner one as it powered independently by a separate rail from its PSU, incorporates a low noise clock and is almost completely devoid of any noisy switching regulators. No matter how clean the original signal, I have found that re-rendering it with an Iso Regen or a tX-USBultra results in even better SQ and so in my setup, I am using both.

Regarding the OS, this has everything to do with latency resulting in software errors that definitely impact SQ. Inherently, I find MacOS to sound better than Windows 10 with Linux sounding best of all, however, with optimization using such tools like Audiophile Optimizer, Windows Server 2016 is even better yet. The advantage of Windows is you get to use Chord's ASIO driver which has functional advantages over the drivers used by MacOS and Linux. Furthermore, Windows has the broadest compatibility with regards to software players beyond Roon. Spotify HiFi (lossless) and Pandora lossless are reportedly in the works. Who knows when they get released to Linux but for sure, you will see them in Windows immediately. The advantage of Roon beyond SQ is that you never have to see your OS. You can control everything via Roon's GUI with any tablet or smart phone.

While the above sounds overly complicated, if you know what to do, it's very easy to do this yourself and it doesn't have to be expensive, depending on how far you wish to take it. For example, we are talking about a motherboard that costs less than $200 and RAM that sells for $30. As previously stated, my OS drive cost $80. Compact flash isn't overly expensive these days. You can stick with your NAS but unless you replace the clocks on your router and power it cleanly, it won't sound as good as direct storage is what I have found. For those that wish to avoid the aggravation, then there are such turnkey devices like the Antipodes DX (or Zenith), however, having heard the DX, I don't believe its PSU is in the same class as Paul Hynes' SR7 because even without full replacement of clocks, my server sounds better.

What is truly icing on the cake is the replacement of the noisy clocks within the server but also within the renderer and thus far, I don't know of any one who has been insane enough to do what I have done to the extent that I have done it but after hearing the results, I believe it can serve as a blueprint for perhaps the ultimate server of the future. With clock replacement, this is not a jitter issue but a noise issue. These stock clocks don't provide timing to the signal (ie 44 or 48kHz), they provide timing to allow proper functioning of certain components and are very noisily powered. This noise is directly imparted upon the signal and as I have gradually replaced these clocks, I am astounded by how much more open and airy the soundstage becomes and how details are cleaner and easier to glean as if veils upon veils have been removed but perhaps what is unique is this "buttery smoothness" that I have previously used as a descriptor. I simply have never heard smoothness (without compromise of detail) like this before, even from Blu2, and I can assure you, DAVE reveals these changes brilliantly. What I previously thought were bad recordings that were unlistenable for more than a few seconds suddenly have become very palatable recordings.

For those looking to build something on their own, the following are my key ingredients to success:

1. Paul Hynes SR7. It is unlikely this PSU will be surpassed by another PSU anytime soon. For me, this is a statement PSU that is as end game as any component I am aware of. As many know, Paul is based in Scotland. I am impressed by how many of the very best products that I admire seem to be coming from the UK these days. (MQA might be the exception, lol).

2. SOtM sCLK-EX. This is a clock board that can be used to replace any clock on any device. This single board can be used to replace up to 4 clocks. As an example, most routers utilize 2 clocks, a network switch utilizes 1 clock, a motherboard utilizes a single system clock that then serves as a reference for many subclocks (DPLL). Most input and output cards (USB, Ethernet) utilize 1 clock. Most endpoints (Iso Regen, microRendu, ultraRendu, tX-USBultra, sMS-200, etc) utilize 1 or 2 clocks. In my particular chain, I replaced 8 clocks. Each sCLK-EX board costs about $1100 with 4 clocks activated and so I own 2 of these boards.

3. Mutec REF10 master clock. This master clock generator is used to synchronize all the clocks that have been replaced with the sCLK-EX to its own 10MHz OCXO clock. This is reportedly the finest OCXO clock there is today with respect to phase noise (which is the most important quality for audio) and easily surpasses the phase noise of atomic clocks (rubidium). It is not likely to be bettered anytime soon. At about 3,200 Euros, this device is expensive but considering what it has the potential of doing (ie elevating your server to "finest in the world" status), I consider it a bargain.

My current server is undergoing final modifications (hopefully, the last) and I should receive it back soon from Korea. Once I receive it, I will report back on how it impacts BluDAVE but having just heard the impact of swapping an inexpensive Pangea USB cable with SOtM's latest USB cable with my Blu2, I have no doubt it will add to what BluDAVE provides.

Fascinating, but for me that kind of thing involves a level of dedication I just don't have, in respect of an ever evolving field such that a whole range of changes would have to be made after six months, and again six months after that, etc. That's the downside of that kind of computer audio. It would drive me insane. And there would be too little time to listen to music, which is what really interests me. No doubt, there are audible benefits to be had, but the trade-off wouldn't be worth it.
 
Sep 4, 2017 at 8:27 PM Post #1,393 of 4,918
Further to my previous post regarding the ferrites, I have a better picture now and frankly, I am very surprised that a few cheap ferrites can make as much difference as they do and my conclusion is that I shall be going with the cheap cables and ferrites at a total cost of £85. (yes, that's £85 Triode!)

I have nothing to add to my previous post about the impact and it will be interesting to see what others think when they get theirs. I tried a few BNC cables previously and the cable that sounded the best to me cost more than £4,000 a pair - although with a discount and p/ex I would be paying less than half of that. Nonetheless, I was apprehensive about spending that much and Rob's ferrite recommendation has saved me a not insignificant sum - thank you Rob. Mind you, I'll ignore how much he has cost me over the past couple of years!

There may be a bonus as well - I have the cables attached to my preferred Dave inputs 3&4 and I haven't had a single drop out all day. Previously, I was getting occasional drop outs and had to switch to inputs 1&2 to resolve that.

I have not compared the cheap ferrite cables with the more expensive ones because it is a chore doing these comparisons and I don't really want to do any more. My memory tells me that there is no tangible difference between them now, but I don't want run the risk that I may still prefer the other cables. I'm happy with things as they stand and that's going to be the end of it for me.

I am 55 and will be 'retiring' next month and my wife agreed that I could do whatever I needed, within reason, to get the main system totally sorted by the end of this month, which is why I have been checking a few things out lately - I quite dislike testing things as I find it a bit of a chore, and quite tiresome. My main system is done now and all that is left is to enjoy it for hopefully many years to come. I really appreciate the various challenges and bits of input from this forum that have helped me along the way and good luck to the rest of you in sorting out your own setup.

Congratulations, I hope to soon learn the lesson that you have learned, that at some point, enough is enough. The only way that is possible is to quit the forums and become oblivious to the latest shiny object that comes out. Once Rob's digital amps come out and once Davina answers for him how many TAPS are good enough to equal analog, I will be at my end game and live happily with what I have.

Contrary to how I might have presented myself, I am not looking to spend money on cables if I can avoid it but I have to be convinced of it. I, too, have ordered these ferrite filters in various sizes so that I can try them not only on the stock RG59 BNC cables that came with my Blu2 but also on some of these other cables that I have. Mine should arrive on Wednesday.
 
Sep 4, 2017 at 9:10 PM Post #1,394 of 4,918
I must have missed a point from Rob's post since it seems that he has tried 3 very cheap BNC cables and, from that, concludes 'don't bother with expensive BNC cables'. How can you draw that conclusion when all 3 cables tested were £5 each or less - have I missed something obvious?

I tried different BNC cables of varying price and there were differences, some very subtle and some more significant. Just recently, I swapped out the cables that I am currently using for the cheap pair to investigate the drop outs that I was experiencing to see whether it might be the cables causing the issue. Whilst the tonality and warmth were much the same, the soundstage rendered with the cheap cables lost several degrees of focus - instrument definition became less clear and their position within the soundstage became a lot less precise. Bass and percussion became somewhat fuzzy and indistinct by comparison.

Granted that these were not night and day differences and some people may not even notice depending upon their ears and the rest of their equipment. I am definitely not a cable advocate - I find the prices of very high end cables as ridiculous as Triode does and I would much prefer it if you could just scoop up a handful of the cheapest cables and be sure you are getting the most from your system. Unfortunately, it isn't quite as easy as that imo.

I wish there was no difference in sound when it comes to audio cabling. My god, the money I'd be able to save. Unfortunately, in my all Audio Note system, I can easily hear the difference between AN copper and AN silver, silver being the far better conductor. I can only afford the mid-range AN-SPx 27 strand, but if I won the lottery I'd defiantly invest in their Sogon 96.
 
Sep 4, 2017 at 9:14 PM Post #1,395 of 4,918
Fascinating, but for me that kind of thing involves a level of dedication I just don't have, in respect of an ever evolving field such that a whole range of changes would have to be made after six months, and again six months after that, etc. That's the downside of that kind of computer audio. It would drive me insane. And there would be too little time to listen to music, which is what really interests me. No doubt, there are audible benefits to be had, but the trade-off wouldn't be worth it.

I agree, the challenge of computer audio is how quickly things advance but as I have put considerable thought into what makes a good music server, it repeatedly boils down to 3 things: low noise, low latency and low impedance.

While things will get cheaper, with what I have currently constructed, it is unlikely it will be bettered significantly possibly for years. As I stated previously, it is unlikely anyone will come up with a better PSU than the double regulated Paul Hynes SR7 I have now unless Paul himself comes up with something better but he has not given me any indication of this. This Mutec REF10 external master clock will not likely be improved upon to any great degree anytime soon, possibly for years. I base this on how these clocks have advanced over the past 5 years. Should better motherboards and output cards come out, they should be inexpensive and easy for me to replace but knowing what makes these cards tick, I suspect that future advances will be more minor than major. In the end, it is the PSU that is what's most important with these small devices and once again, I feel I have that covered. With Windows, I should be capable of running anything that comes along and so this is the pitfall of a proprietary or non-mainstream OS. The beauty of Rob's DACs is that I don't have to worry about things like upsampling which allows me the freedom to utilize simple, low power hardware.

Hopefully, my comments about servers and cables haven't come across as deflating to anyone who owns a BluDAVE and has no desire to experiment. Even with stock cables and a basic PC, BluDAVE probably outclasses most everything out there and I would be confident pitting it against anything I've yet heard. I'm sure you feel the same way. But I'm also suggesting that BluDAVE has so much more untapped potential and to believe that that's the case given how wonderful it already sounds is really a compliment of the highest order.
 

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