Can you recommend custom molded IEM for me?
Mar 17, 2016 at 10:19 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 7

jane-doe

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I want to buy custom molded IEMs and I am not an audiophile so I feel overwhelmed with all the choices. Can you help me narrow it down?

I only know that my budget is $500 or less and I want something that's custom-molded to my inner and outer ear shape. I have Shure se215 and I wear them with the triple flange sleeves because the other sleeves didn't block enough outside noise for me. I am happy with how much outside noise they block with the triple-flange sleeves. I am happy with how they sound (actually just not an audiophile and don't know how to evaluate how they sound). The reason I can't keep using the Shure IEMs is because they HURT. Not just hurting inside the ear canal, but they aren't compatible with the shape of my outer ear at all. It hurts to put them in, hurts to wear them, and hurt to take them out.

This is for wearing 20 out of 24 hours so that's why I want a custom molded fit...it's for white noise all night while I sleep (my boyfriend snores like a truck and the Shure se215 blocks that successfully but hurts so much), for concentrating at work, for zoning out at the gym, for zoning out at home if I don't feel like listening to annoying things like TV ...so basically wearing them 20 out of 24 hours. They are for reducing my stress level by controlling what I have to listen to :) So I want them to be as comfortable as possible but also block as much outside noise as possible.

And the type of music that I enjoy listening to is mostly classical, or acapella choir, or acoustic singer-songwriter stuff...in case that makes a difference.
 
Mar 17, 2016 at 10:33 PM Post #2 of 7
If you're going to wear them as much as you plan to (and hopefully not literally 24hours) I'd say invest a little bit more in something that will be less of a health risk under such use.
 
https://www.64audio.com/adel
https://www.64audio.com/product/1964-A2-Custom-In-Ear-Monitor
 
Mar 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM Post #3 of 7
  If you're going to wear them as much as you plan to (and hopefully not literally 24hours) I'd say invest a little bit more in something that will be less of a health risk under such use.
 
https://www.64audio.com/adel
https://www.64audio.com/product/1964-A2-Custom-In-Ear-Monitor

 
Thank you for the links!  I think I'm on board with the idea of raising my price range if I need to, but I'm a little concerned about the "Noise Isolation: -18dB" range for these...it looks like less noise isolation compared to others I was looking at. Is that because the "ADEL" module lets in some outside air and outside noise?
 
Mar 18, 2016 at 8:08 AM Post #4 of 7
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Thank you for the links!  I think I'm on board with the idea of raising my price range if I need to, but I'm a little concerned about the "Noise Isolation: -18dB" range for these...it looks like less noise isolation compared to others I was looking at. Is that because the "ADEL" module lets in some outside air and outside noise?

 
It does let a bit of ambient noise back in, but not as much as a real ambient port (ie what vocalists use on theirs so they can banter with the audience), then seal it back when they need it sealed). The thing is, pressurized air moving through the ear canals and slamming into your eardrums are supposedly not a good idea, and when listening at lower volumes, considering there isn't any space for the pressure to dissipate. I don't listen that long with IEMs on, at the longest it's during a long flight or train/bus ride, so I'm not really too concerned about it; also my ear sweat and itches anyway so unless I'm asleep in transit (and hte only time I'd be that far gone is on a plane, where I booze up to take my mind off the crappy coach seats.
 
Mar 19, 2016 at 1:26 PM Post #5 of 7
 
 
It does let a bit of ambient noise back in, but not as much as a real ambient port (ie what vocalists use on theirs so they can banter with the audience), then seal it back when they need it sealed). The thing is, pressurized air moving through the ear canals and slamming into your eardrums are supposedly not a good idea, and when listening at lower volumes, considering there isn't any space for the pressure to dissipate. I don't listen that long with IEMs on, at the longest it's during a long flight or train/bus ride, so I'm not really too concerned about it; also my ear sweat and itches anyway so unless I'm asleep in transit (and hte only time I'd be that far gone is on a plane, where I booze up to take my mind off the crappy coach seats.

 
I have trouble visualizing exactly how much noise reduction I would get with the -18 db rating.  I have read that the decibel scale is logarithmic ... which makes it even harder for me to visualize how one decibel rating compares to another.  But I am concerned that -18 might not be enough.  My boyfriend snores like a freight train.  My neighbors have annoying dogs that bark when I'm trying to sleep.  My home office is right next to the front door because there's nowhere else for me to put my desk.  Would I rather preserve perfect hearing for the rest of my life, or get perfect sleep and perfect concentration for the rest of my life?  I'd rather get the perfect sleep and perfect concentration, hands down, no question.  :)  
 
If I sound like preserving my hearing is not very high on my list of priorities, it's because ... it's not.  I actually envy deaf people.  I have this thing called "synesthesia" where some senses are cross-wired.  Every time I tell someone about this, their reaction is: "Cool!"  But it's not cool.  It gets old, so fast.  My hearing sense is cross-wired into multiple different senses.  Every time I hear a loud sudden noise, it feels like I am getting an electric shock.  Sometimes also see a bright flash of light at the same time, but the electric shock is the part that gets old fast.  The Shure se215's were the first thing I found that gave me some peace - because I can no longer hear the unexpected noises, and I no longer get that feeling of electric shocks.  
 
My Shure se215's have a noise reduction rating of -37 db.  And I love that I can't hear *anything* ... unless it's 10 inches away from me, and even if it's that close then it's very muted.  Hard to compare 18 and 37 in my head without trying it but it definitely sounds like a lot less.  Even if the scale was linear instead of logarithmic it would be a lot less. 
 
The Shure se215's are the wrong shape for my ear even though I put them in correctly.  So what I would love to find is something that is a better shape for my ear (custom molded) but still very good at blocking as much outside noise as possible
 
Mar 20, 2016 at 12:55 AM Post #6 of 7
 
I have trouble visualizing exactly how much noise reduction I would get with the -18 db rating.  I have read that the decibel scale is logarithmic ... which makes it even harder for me to visualize how one decibel rating compares to another.  But I am concerned that -18 might not be enough.  My boyfriend snores like a freight train.  My neighbors have annoying dogs that bark when I'm trying to sleep.  My home office is right next to the front door because there's nowhere else for me to put my desk.  Would I rather preserve perfect hearing for the rest of my life, or get perfect sleep and perfect concentration for the rest of my life?  I'd rather get the perfect sleep and perfect concentration, hands down, no question.  :)  

 
-18dB is roughly equivalent to some universal IEMs, except it'll be more comfortable since they're molded to fit. That of course is if anything's playing - from what I understand the Adel vent works with the pressurized air moving around inside your own ear canal, so it only goes down to that when you're playing music, in which case the music is likely loud enough over the noise. If you're not playing any music the isolation is higher since the vent remains closed, so basically when you sleep you can just wear it passively.
 
 
My Shure se215's have a noise reduction rating of -37 db.  And I love that I can't hear *anything* ... unless it's 10 inches away from me, and even if it's that close then it's very muted.  Hard to compare 18 and 37 in my head without trying it but it definitely sounds like a lot less.  Even if the scale was linear instead of logarithmic it would be a lot less. 
 
 
The Shure se215's are the wrong shape for my ear even though I put them in correctly.  So what I would love to find is something that is a better shape for my ear (custom molded) but still very good at blocking as much outside noise as possible

 
That's a lot actually, but again it has more to do with the Adel vent being opened by moving air inside your ear canals. If you're using them as ear muffs with nothing playing then the isolation is higher, and of course the fit is customized to your ears so they'll be more comfortable for a longer period when done right.
 
 
 
If I sound like preserving my hearing is not very high on my list of priorities, it's because ... it's not.  I actually envy deaf people.  I have this thing called "synesthesia" where some senses are cross-wired.  Every time I tell someone about this, their reaction is: "Cool!"  But it's not cool.  It gets old, so fast.  My hearing sense is cross-wired into multiple different senses.  Every time I hear a loud sudden noise, it feels like I am getting an electric shock.  Sometimes also see a bright flash of light at the same time, but the electric shock is the part that gets old fast.  The Shure se215's were the first thing I found that gave me some peace - because I can no longer hear the unexpected noises, and I no longer get that feeling of electric shocks.  

 
Ah well there's the problem. In my case among my friends someone threw out a question over a few beers and steak if we'd rather be blind or deaf. Everyone chose to keep their vision since daily life would be very difficult otherwise; I was the only one who chose to go blind because, no matter how difficult daily tasks get, I have music to look forward to at the end of the day, or still go to the opera even if the usher would need to escort me to my box.
 
At the same time as much as you think that's a curse still take care of your ears. Why? Unless you join the Marines in Iraq or something and totally blow out your eardrums and nerve endings when you get ambushed (at which point you'd deal with PTSD), hearing loss isn't always total. If you damage your hearing and you get partial, non-linear hearing loss, you will still be able to hear frequencies that will mess you up, but all the functions that your ears are otherwise useful for like understanding people in conversations will be rendered useless. I have a friend who needs to look at you so that both ears can focus their midrange-weak hearing in order to understand it, otherwise it's all just loud garbled noise. If this happens to you, your ears are practically useless, without dealing with the problems that you have right now. At the very least, don't play music through the CIEMs 24/7, and when you do, keep the volume down.
 
If it's just total isolation that you want a lot more than the sound quality I'd rather suggest you don't spend as much as you can on a single CIEM - the increasing base prices across each brand's lines have to do with driver designs (or features like ambient ports or the Adel vent), and apart from your customized aesthetic requirements the shells are basically the same. I'd much rather suggest you get a good 2-driver CIEM for 24/7 use, and then keep the SE215 handy because under such use you still increase the likelihood of breaking them (of course, the lack of remove-coil cables-place in pouch-put them back on cycles helps reduce wear). If they break, use the SE215 while you have them reshelled. You might even have reserve cash to get a better fitting universal IEM, which would be a more comfortable alternative to the SE215 in case the CIEM is being reshelled.
 
Just get this CIEM or others near its price range since isolation is far more important than sound quality in your case, and even if it was, wearing them 24/7 requires you to keep the output levels low anyway. Save money and just use bass bass boost to make the beat of music audible if you're listening to certain music types (not for a lot of what you actually listen to), since at such low volume levels distortion isn't an issue. As always though check the thread for that CIEM manufacturer on this forum - some have had a tendency to get swamped with orders, some rush and then end up dealing with reshells, etc. If there's no ongoing mass delay, then it's likely safe to order.
http://www.alienears.com/p/321/alien-ears-dual-driver-c2-ultimate-ears-jh-audio-westone-1964-ears
 
This is what I use - - the Aurisonics ASG-1 - which has the basic shape of a CIEM but still uses a bore that takes disposable eartips. Manufacturer's site was pulled down recently as Aurisonics was bought by Fender to be their IEM manufacturer, but for a universal fit IEM these are far more comfortable as the outer shell spreads friction and weight around a lot better as opposed to all of it on the eartip as with other universals. When Fender's line comes out you can look into the FXA-2 as your back-up universal IEM - it has the same kind of shell shape as this one.

 
Alternately, have you looked into Sensaphonics custom sleeves for your Shure?
https://store.sensaphonics.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Shure+Sleeves
 
Mar 20, 2016 at 1:13 PM Post #7 of 7
I want to buy custom molded IEMs and I am not an audiophile so I feel overwhelmed with all the choices. Can you help me narrow it down?

I only know that my budget is $500 or less and I want something that's custom-molded to my inner and outer ear shape. I have Shure se215 and I wear them with the triple flange sleeves because the other sleeves didn't block enough outside noise for me. I am happy with how much outside noise they block with the triple-flange sleeves. I am happy with how they sound (actually just not an audiophile and don't know how to evaluate how they sound). The reason I can't keep using the Shure IEMs is because they HURT. Not just hurting inside the ear canal, but they aren't compatible with the shape of my outer ear at all. It hurts to put them in, hurts to wear them, and hurt to take them out.

This is for wearing 20 out of 24 hours so that's why I want a custom molded fit...it's for white noise all night while I sleep (my boyfriend snores like a truck and the Shure se215 blocks that successfully but hurts so much), for concentrating at work, for zoning out at the gym, for zoning out at home if I don't feel like listening to annoying things like TV ...so basically wearing them 20 out of 24 hours. They are for reducing my stress level by controlling what I have to listen to
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So I want them to be as comfortable as possible but also block as much outside noise as possible.

And the type of music that I enjoy listening to is mostly classical, or acapella choir, or acoustic singer-songwriter stuff...in case that makes a difference.


Hi jane-doe,
 
First: Do not be fooled by NRR specs. Each manufacturer uses their own method, and most are driven by competitive marketing, not science. There are many ways to measure noise reduction (stated simply, because different materials block different frequencies to different degrees) and frankly, some don't even bother. They just list what other companies use for similar products.
 
For maximum isolation, you need to fully seal the ear canal. Universal-fit tips succeed in doing this for over 70% of the population when properly selected and inserted. Custom acrylic IEMs are theoretically better, but the hard plastic does not move with the ear canal, causing the seal to be lost when the ear canal moves, which happens with jaw movement. And when you lose the seal, you lose the bass response. Best broadband noise reduction comes from medical-grade soft silicone.
 
Silicone custom IEMs can be fitted deep into the ear canal, past the second bend. They move with the canal, maintaining their seal even through severe jaw movement. Most people also find them far more comfortable in long-wearing situations. And because the earpiece shells are solid silicone (as opposed to hollow acrylics), they shut out more broadband sound.
 
My recommendation to you (admittedly biased) is the Sensaphonics 2X-S. Clean, accurate sound signature, very comfortable for all-day use, and up to 37 dB of documented broadband isolation.
 
If you want to explore the efficacy of silicone, another option is Sensaphonics Custom Sleeves for your Shure SE215s. Cost is just $150 plus ear impressions, and gets you most of the benefits of soft silicone without the $750 investment.
 
Also, I would recommend a separate set of Solid Sleep Plugs, just to give your IEMs a break. 
 
Good luck in your search!
 

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