Can anyone help me with this EQ database? Hangout Audio

[punkedrock]

https://graph.hangout.audio/ or https://graph.hangout.audio/headphones/?share=Harman_AE_OE_2018_Target,MDR-Z1R specifically.

I'm just wondering how to best go around this to perfect my EQ. I'm a complete noob to this.
I did a search on the site and couldn't find a thread.
I'm working with up to 31 bands of EQ and am using poweramp on an Android DAP. If you know of a better eq app let me know but it seems very good. I stream with Qobuz.

I'm wondering how to do this on android and maybe work with my laptop to an extent. The only problem is my Dac / Dap for my laptop is a fiio Q5s that has built in eq unfortunately. However - if anybody knows how to set the frequencies for this website please let me know as the fiio is a specific 10 band graphic. I'm using parametric almost always however with my digital audio player running Android.

 

[dunring]

The easy way for Android is Poweramp Music Player which uses the Autoeq profiles. You can load it for your headphones or IEMs right off the pick list.

For the PC install APO and Peace which also has autoeq profiles for virtually all headphones.

To get the just the settings for an EQ you already have, pick it off the list at:

https://autoeq.app/

The site will generate them based on what EQ your using (10 band etc.). This will load them for the Harman Target, which is the profile a lot of people like. The default is 44.1khz so specify on the web site if your music is in a different one, it changes the EQ settings it'll return.

 

[punkedrock]

The easy way for Android is Poweramp Music Player which uses the Autoeq profiles. You can load it for your headphones or IEMs right off the pick list.

For the PC install APO and Peace which also has autoeq profiles for virtually all headphones.

To get the just the settings for an EQ you already have, pick it off the list at:

https://autoeq.app/

The site will generate them based on what EQ your using (10 band etc.). This will load them for the Harman Target, which is the profile a lot of people like. The default is 44.1khz so specify on the web site if your music is in a different one, it changes the EQ settings it'll return.

Thank you for the website, but I'm kind of trying to figure out how to get even more sound past just using preset eq profiles. If anybody has the time for that I'd be really appreciative if they have a resource or some guides or even some good reading like a book.

But no, the website was totally useful for one of my purposes.

 

[gregorio]

I'm kind of trying to figure out how to get even more sound past just using preset eq profiles. If anybody has the time for that I'd be really appreciative if they have a resource or some guides or even some good reading like a book.

I’m not sure you’ll get any responses because it’s not clear what you’re wanting to achieve. On the face of it, “how to get even more sound” would be accomplished by simply turning the volume up, but that’s so obvious it’s difficult to believe you can’t figure it out. So you must mean something else, can you explain in more detail please?

G

 

[xtremepsionic]

On the face of it, “how to get even more sound” would be accomplished by simply turning the volume up, but that’s so obvious it’s difficult to believe you can’t figure it out

hehehe, got a chuckle out of me with that line.

Personally I think most people would benefit from getting to level 8+ on Harman How to Listen http://harmanhowtolisten.blogspot.com/2011/01/welcome-to-how-to-listen.html

After people train their ears to discern which changes in the FR does what, they'd develop better ideas about how to "get even more sound" out of their headphones. After that step, something like manual tuning using http://owliophile.com/ (read the Q&A section about some ways to use the tool) could come in handy.

Another useful site for learning how to listen is the EQ peak and cut games on https://audiodrillz.app/games

Alternatively a +10db Q1 filter in Equalizer APO that you drag across the whole FR can be helpful in learning what EQ does in a broader sense.

 

[BS5711]

https://graph.hangout.audio/ or https://graph.hangout.audio/headphones/?share=Harman_AE_OE_2018_Target,MDR-Z1R specifically.

I'm just wondering how to best go around this to perfect my EQ. I'm a complete noob to this.
I did a search on the site and couldn't find a thread.
I'm working with up to 31 bands of EQ and am using poweramp on an Android DAP. If you know of a better eq app let me know but it seems very good. I stream with Qobuz.

I'm wondering how to do this on android and maybe work with my laptop to an extent. The only problem is my Dac / Dap for my laptop is a fiio Q5s that has built in eq unfortunately. However - if anybody knows how to set the frequencies for this website please let me know as the fiio is a specific 10 band graphic. I'm using parametric almost always however with my digital audio player running Android.

I have only dabbled with PEQ a little but I would suggest, as a starting point that you might eventually deviate from.

Download USB Audio Player Pro (UAPP) on your Android DAP and run Qobuz through it.

Search “Oratory 1990” EQ data for your specific IEM and enter that data into the 10 band PEQ in UAPP.

Listen and make small adjustments to suit your preferences.

It is initially daunting but if broken down into its parts the concept and execution are quite simple. You have a few parameters for each data point. That being the frequency, the magnitude of the change at that specific frequency and the shape of the curve representing the change. That is the Q value alters if the change is very localised or much broader to transition it into the frequencies around it. You can set a shelf which basically changes every frequency below or above by the same amount, essentially a broad brush bass or treble boost or reduction.

Do a little reading about each aspect of adjustment once you have the app up and running and you can adjust and learn. Worst case you delete your changes and start again.

The Q5S has built in EQ on bluetooth only and that can only be adjusted in the bluetooth app. You could plug it into the DAP and use EQ through it to try it out.

I can’t help you with an application for Windows but on a Mac Sound Source allows PEQ.

Good luck.

 

[punkedrock]

I have only dabbled with PEQ a little but I would suggest, as a starting point that you might eventually deviate from.

Download USB Audio Player Pro (UAPP) on your Android DAP and run Qobuz through it.

Search “Oratory 1990” EQ data for your specific IEM and enter that data into the 10 band PEQ in UAPP.

Listen and make small adjustments to suit your preferences.

It is initially daunting but if broken down into its parts the concept and execution are quite simple. You have a few parameters for each data point. That being the frequency, the magnitude of the change at that specific frequency and the shape of the curve representing the change. That is the Q value alters if the change is very localised or much broader to transition it into the frequencies around it. You can set a shelf which basically changes every frequency below or above by the same amount, essentially a broad brush bass or treble boost or reduction.

Do a little reading about each aspect of adjustment once you have the app up and running and you can adjust and learn. Worst case you delete your changes and start again.

The Q5S has built in EQ on bluetooth only and that can only be adjusted in the bluetooth app. You could plug it into the DAP and use EQ through it to try it out.

I can’t help you with an application for Windows but on a Mac Sound Source allows PEQ.

Good luck.

I've done this quite allot with my previous DAP and in my car.

However - I really do wish there was just a guide on the internet on how to get the same experience with parametric with some outlined rules other than learning how to master audio tracks - it appears to be the closest thing.

 

[xtremepsionic]

I really do wish there was just a guide on the internet on how to get the same experience with parametric with some outlined rules other than learning how to master audio tracks

The problem is that hardly anyone agrees what the ideal headphone frequency response should be, let alone how to get there.

From what I've gathered reading forums and scientific papers:

Categories of users EQing headphones:
1. People who don’t trust EQ - No EQ
2. People who only trust measurements (And also believers of some kind of target curve):
a. Use Oratory and ignore the rest
b. Use Amir's simple 2-3 filters and ignore the rest
3. People who trust their ears:
Add a bass and/or treble shelf
b. Use Oratory and then sweeps to tame treble peaks
c. Flatten peaks and dips by ear and sweeps then add preference curve adjustments to taste
d. Use flat speakers as reference
e. Use equal loudness curve corrected sweep as reference
f. Use pink noise
g. Use auto eq and adjust to preference

Plus more I'm sure.

 

[gregorio]

After people train their ears to discern which changes in the FR does what, they'd develop better ideas about how to "get even more sound" out of their headphones.

If I’m interpreting correctly, you actually mean “get even more pleasing results”, rather than “get even more sound”? As a consumer and therefore only EQ’ing completed masters, you generally can’t get any “more sound” except by turning up the (analogue) volume, because the level has already been maximised during the mastering process. In order to EQ the FR one therefore has to generally either use EQ cuts or reduce the overall level (volume) proportionally, to provide headroom to apply EQ boosts. Either way, you are actually getting less sound (a reduced level) rather than more, even though the result might be more pleasing.

There’s really no book or resource that can help you, because there are many variables, some of which cannot be determined by a book/resource, for example, the EQ already applied to a particular track and your particular preferences. Once you learn the basic functionality of the EQ controls (gain/cut, freq and Q in the case of a PEQ) there’s not much you can do as a consumer that’s better than just playing around and gaining experience.

G

 

[bagwell359]

First thing is excellent recordings - unamplified in a good acoustic space - anywhere from solo to huge orchestras. Then more diverse personal favorite choices.

If you have a reference speaker or headphone, take the Harman 2018 curve and apply it. PEQ 6 or 10 band via ToneBoosters my choice. <I'll leave off the rant against fixed freq EQ not being as flexible/accurate> but if that's what you have - OK. Invariably, I cut frequencies under about 120, and around 2.5-3.5k since I think Harmans pref (and that's what it is) is off in those areas. If you have new headphones and speakers that are not reference - then repeat the process with those. In some cases I have changed the settings dozens of times per headphone to arrive at a most accurate for all music I listen to, not for each recording or style which some folks do.

Experience is your friend here. You won't break anything. Think of your experience as being the same as a learning machine, more permutations tried, quicker and better results is the payoff.

 

[xtremepsionic]

If I’m interpreting correctly, you actually mean “get even more pleasing results”, rather than “get even more sound”?

You're interpreting what I said correctly, but I'm just quoting OP's own saying. Hopefully that's what they meant as well by "get even more sound".

 

[punkedrock]

You're interpreting what I said correctly, but I'm just quoting OP's own saying. Hopefully that's what they meant as well by "get even more sound".

I'm just trying to get the best sound out of my headphones. In my opinion that would mean to EQ to the point of being an absolute pro at it hopefully one day.
And I am looking for advice therein.

 

[BS5711]

You have already been given well intended and perfectly reasonable advice by several people all saying more or less the same thing.

Download appropriate apps, track down online EQ recommendations as a starting point, do some research about what the various adjustments in the PEQ do then adjust a little from the recommendations to see what you prefer.

Set yourself up as needed, read, experiment, assess what you prefer and learn as you go, there is no immediate magic fix or specific reference material that is going to give you exactly what you prefer or make you highly proficient at it overnight.