[Golden Monkey]

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Originally Posted by M3NTAL /img/forum/go_quote.gif D2000 Myself Canare Star Quad Placebo if any I think people listen harder than they ever have when they re-cable and notice things that were always there. Sounds don't magically appear after you change your cable.

LOL...so true (usually). All the "OMG! Night and Day Difference!!!" claims are somewhat...suspect. I would imagine spending $300 on a piece of wire will make things happen inside your head, that's for sure. Still, I plan on an APS HD650 cable some day...go figure.

My D2000's were bought from glitch39, who bought them from weeeeesquirrel. They're cabled with silver plate copper wire, Neutrik plug, and since I never heard them "stock", I couldn't tell you if they improved or not. They sound great though. The sleeving ( I think it's techflex) is pretty stiff and bulky though...

 

[Philimon]

There is a thread around here somewhere describing the D2000's and D5000's cables side by side with pictures. In the pictures - the D5000's cable look much thicker, while D2000's cable look much stiffer from the way they seem to easily stay conformed to whatever way you may have bent them last... In fact the D5000's didnt seem to have that problem at all from the pics and description. Also the thread had pics of the internals of both cables, and the D5000 had much more insulation around the wires than the D2000.

I still want to upgrade my D2000 to D5000 cables mainly for the tangle issue.
PM me if you have one for sale!

 

[M3NTAL]

Most of the differences between the two are in the enclosure (wood versus "hi-tech" plastic)

When both are Dyna-matted (which in-turn removes the cup from the equation for the most part - except for enclosure volume) they become VERY similar is sonic signature - regardless of cable.

Play around without the wood/plastic cups on the cans and use your hands instead - it is pretty interesting what kind of sound changes you can make in the sound doing this. Wide open they are spacious, but boomy - closed up they are stuffy and nasally with crap bass.

knock knock - who is there? deep woody cups? - aperiodic? - ported d2000?

 

[Tokenganjaclan]

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Originally Posted by M3NTAL /img/forum/go_quote.gif Most of the differences between the two are in the enclosure (wood versus "hi-tech" plastic) When both are Dyna-matted (which in-turn removes the cup from the equation for the most part - except for enclosure volume) they become VERY similar is sonic signature - regardless of cable. Play around without the wood/plastic cups on the cans and use your hands instead - it is pretty interesting what kind of sound changes you can make in the sound doing this. Wide open they are spacious, but boomy - closed up they are stuffy and nasally with crap bass. knock knock - who is there? deep woody cups? - aperiodic? - ported d2000?

Well said!!! The cable is the LEAST of the sound difference. But I did notice a difference on the D-1000s. That's the ONLY can I noticed a BIG difference.
When I did my 2000s it seemed like more details... NOT Placebo for sure.
Have another stock set on hand, then have a listen. you might be amazed and pissed at your now empty wallet

Like was said earlier. Your mind is playing tricks on you, it's like your car running better after a car-wash.. I'm sure you have thought that one before. At least on the Denons a new cable gets rid of the crappy stock one, when did fuzz become a shield???

 

[musicman59]

My WD2000 RL Edition Markl moded and recabled with APS V3 and Furutech plug sound better than my D5000 Markl moded and stock cable.

Not only my opinion but also from another fellow Headfier.

 

[Tokenganjaclan]

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Originally Posted by musicman59 /img/forum/go_quote.gif My WD2000 RL Edition Markl moded and recabled with APS V3 and Furutech plug sound better than my D5000 Markl moded and stock cable. Not only my opinion but also from another fellow Headfier.

It's very possible with the extensive mods to your 2000s. Move your cups to the 5000s and I bet they will win. My point is the cable does VERY little. There are a lot of variables, Different wood, cup size ect!!! The major difference is the cups not the cable. Put your stock cups back on the 2000s with the Markl mods then do another shoot out. My $ is the 5000s will be the clear winner.

 

[musicman59]

Why do you think that? Both share the same drivers (I checked them). Unfortunately cups exchange can not be done due to the difference in the driver assembly between the D2000 and D5000.

I don't disagree that wood density and cavity volume and design make a difference but let me ask you a question... Why do you think then a set of high end speakers change their sound characteristics depending on the cables being used? Same thing with replacing interconnects between components.

I have been involved in Hi-Fi for over 30 years and in my experience cables do make a difference.

 

[Tokenganjaclan]

I don't wanna start up the whole cable debate as there are NO test's that prove otherwise. It's out right placebo effect. If you change your cable you are programming your mind to hear what you want it to hear. You might hear a drum fill you never noticed before but it has always been there you just haven't been looking for it. You send off your cans to me to replace the cable. Your mind will forget the sound, when you get it back it suddenly sounds different? If You have two sets of the same cans, change the cable on one, use the same source ect..Then compare..You might be quite surprised..

 

[musicman59]

I guess that's your belief and not mine. To each his own.

 

[Tokenganjaclan]

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Originally Posted by musicman59 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I guess that's your belief and not mine. To each his own.

Agreed to Dis-Agree.

But My Wallets stays Fatter

 

[M3NTAL]

I am sorry Musicman, but until you can actually swap the cups back and forth - you have no valid argument on this specific issue.

I honestly want to believe in the cable hype - heck, I've spent a pretty penny on silly cables just to give them a shot. I just did a HD-650 with equinox where it is supposedly an amazing new headphone, but that cable is long gone now.

Sometimes my headphones sound like crap to me - maybe because I just got done listening to my stereo rig or maybe because I have something psychological going on, but there is more of a difference on a day to day basis then any cable can make.

I have a big power cord dropping at my house soon. I will see if it "flavors" my audio, or manipulates it in anyway before I totally call farse on expensive wires.

 

[senns&nonsense]

This week I had 2 D2000 pairs at my desk for 2 days. One was stock. the other was recabled with 18awg cryo'd copper.

There was a HUGE difference between the 2. Unmistakeable. No one who was not legally deaf could fail to hear the substantial difference.

I wanted to not like the recable because it was going to someone else and if I could find a way to justify NOT spending the $ to recable my stock pair I would have been very pleased. It was NO CONTEST!

I had my daughter listen because she has fine and sensitive hearing and I thought she would get a kick out of it. In the past I have asked her to lsiten to things and we wind up blind testing to make sure we are really hearing differences/improvement. With the 2 sets of Denons we did not even consider it because the difference was so stark.

 

[Golden Monkey]

Senns, did you do the earpad mod to either prior to recabling them, and compare the differences? Curious as to what you thought of stock vs. that simple mod alone.

 

[senns&nonsense]

Hey GM!

Both pairs I referenced had the earpad mod. However, prior to my doing the earpad mod on my stock pair (thanks to your generous provision of supplies!!) I did have a chance to compare the modded earpads to stock when i owned a pair of MarkL'd D5000s a few weeks back.

The comparison is a little difficult because the pads wind up further from your ear so you have to compensate for volume to keep things "fair". That said, I definitely preferred the earpads puffed and angled as per MarkL's suggestion.

It does what it has been reported to do. Soundstage is greatly expanded and the presentation is more refined. The sound seems much more natural when the driver is a bit removed and a bit in front of your ears. I sometimes like aggressive first-row sound, but that is why I have Grados! For the Denons, a few rows back seems to suit them much better.

 

[majkel]

My friend, another head-fier, replaced the cable and made balanced the Creative Aurvana Live!, AKA Denon AH-D1001, after my advise about which cable to use (I've got the same unbalanced). He compared the D5000's and the MD5000's both with stock cable to the Creative's and decided to sell the D5000, also not to think any more about the MD5000's non-deluxe. Our wallets remain thick, indeed.