[matthewh133]

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In Denmark there is a fairly new cable company selling high end, super expensive cables, http://www.zensati.com.
Several of their cables costs something like 20'000 Euros.
In the last year they have been revealed to buy their cables cheap from a Taiwanese cable company, Jinwei.
 
Here's some (badly translated by Google Translate) forum discussions regarding the Zensati cables in Scandinavia:
 
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hifisentralen.no%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D50468.0
 
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nerds.dk%2F%3Fpage%3Dviewtopic%26t%3D5476%26postdays%3D0%26postorder%3Dasc%26start%3D0
 
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hifisentralen.no%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D48024.0

 
Hahaha wow. How would you feel if you had purchased one of these to find out that they came at .0000000000005% of what the company paid for them.
 

 

[tmars78]

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In Denmark there is a fairly new cable company selling high end, super expensive cables, http://www.zensati.com.
Several of their cables costs something like 20'000 Euros.
In the last year they have been revealed to buy their cables cheap from a Taiwanese cable company, Jinwei.
 
Here's some (badly translated by Google Translate) forum discussions regarding the Zensati cables in Scandinavia:
 
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hifisentralen.no%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D50468.0
 
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nerds.dk%2F%3Fpage%3Dviewtopic%26t%3D5476%26postdays%3D0%26postorder%3Dasc%26start%3D0
 
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hifisentralen.no%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D48024.0

If you think that is funny, from their website:
 
 
What does ZenSati mean?
The name ZenSati refers to an extensive body of knowledge concerning truthfulness; truthfulness and knowledge in disseminating information between system components, from turntable/CD player to preamplifier to power amplifier to loudspeakers" amplifier to
 
 
 
So much for truthfulness.

 

[scootermafia]

 
 
High end cables like that can't really be made by hand.  Someone's gotta make the cable, and chances are, it's going to be the Taiwanese.  Don't act so shocked.  And yeah, don't assume that just because it comes from over there, that it's cheap to make.  
 
Although...
 
http://www.hktdc.com/suppliers-products/Speaker-Cable/en/1X00KJIX/1124967/
and the Zensati #3
http://zensati.com/pages/products.html
 
Are remarkably alike.  Lots of money can be saved if you modify existing designs, for sure.  

 

[dxanex]

That's awesome, someone deleted my comment. They must have paid 20,000 Euros for their speaker wire. All I'm saying is for that much you could literally feed a starving child in Africa for years.
 
But then, I suppose that would keep people from experiencing absolute true definitive clarity and the most pristine angelic frequency presence that ever licked your eardrums.
 

 

[akart]

I think the last sentence should be modified a little bit ...
 
"But then, I suppose that would keep people from thinking that they are experiencing absolute true definitive clarity and the most pristine angelic frequency presence that ever licked your eardrums."
 

 
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That's awesome, someone deleted my comment. They must have paid 20,000 Euros for their speaker wire. All I'm saying is for that much you could literally feed a starving child in Africa for years.
 
But then, I suppose that would keep people from experiencing absolute true definitive clarity and the most pristine angelic frequency presence that ever licked your eardrums.
 

 

[Colin14]

I was now doing nicer things.

That didn't help much.

Are you the Colin Wonfor of Tellurium Q?

 

[Greve]

Colin Wonfor a friend died on the 2 December.

 

[Deferenz]

ive never compared cables in my life, and have no strong opinion on the matter. I do find it interesting though that so many people argue science as the end all be all, and im not just referring to audio cables.

in the grand scheme of explaining the endless marvels and wonder in this world.. science has barely scratched the surface, and has a very limited scope. For any subject you pick its almost certain that science may have missed, or doesnt even know about any number of variables.

my goodness how many times, even within the most prominent scientific fileds, has a rock solid "proven" theory been turned on its head and found to be much bigger and more complex than anyone could have ever imagined.

i also always get a little skeptical when people argue hardcore science over good ol fashioned experience. Nearly every person on this planet has easily had at least 1 experience that science cant explain. Thats not to say that experience isnt just as easily skewed.. but anyway....

im not interested in arguing with anyone about this.. just throwin it out there. just because there is a chart, or even years of research doesnt make it true

I really like this post. Well said Br777.

 

[F208Frank]

Just wanted to chime in with my thoughts:

I do feel that cables are extremely lucrative for the companies that do make them and I do feel they are screwing the end user with ridiculous pricing. I agree with this 100 percent.

For non believers to state so strongly that cables do not make a difference and that it is all being imagined is quite offensive/ignorant. Everyone is subject to their own opinion and I see many non believers say stuff like "Well good for you for imagining the differences, if you want to throw money at snake oil, go ahead."

My own experience is that cables do alter the sound. Speakers, headphones, IEMs all had different sounds with different cables so for these scientists out there claiming I'm "imagining" multiple different scenarios is a but offensive. These are my own experiences.

People tend to stick to their own beliefs no matter right or wrong. Non believers are happily and readily able to show articles of science as to why cables do not matter and then scoff when others report that they do hear an audible difference. I urge folks who are on the fence to try for themselves and to form their own opinion.

If you feel that cables don't matter after trying yourself, all is still good. Big part of the fun in this hobby is the journey of experiencing and trying things for yourself.

At least we can still agree that some headphones/IEMs are awesome.

 

[dhc0329]

Just wanted to chime in with my thoughts:

I do feel that cables are extremely lucrative for the companies that do make them and I do feel they are screwing the end user with ridiculous pricing. I agree with this 100 percent do not get me wrong.

But for non believers to state so strongly that cables do not make a difference and that it is all being imagined is quite offensive/ignorant, especially if they did not try themselves. Everyone is subject to their own opinion and I see many non believers say stuff like "well good for you for imagining the differences, if you want to throw money at snake oil, good for you."

My own experience is that speaker cables do not make much difference for myself. Headphone cables do not make much differences for myself either, but for IEMs to me, cables absolutely make a difference.

I also feel in GENERAL I see non cable believers feeling strongly about the need to be "right" and argue to no end.

The ones who have heard audible differences seem to be lazier in defending their stance for whatever reason.

I feel partially some non believers are just not wanting to shell out the extra money for the small improvements and need to believe in what they already believe in to feel comfortable with themselves.

I know flames are coming my way soon, but if you have the U18t or A18t, use the stock cable and use the PW 1950s cable and tell me they sound the same.

Who am I kidding most would never go out their way to try. People tend to stick to their beliefs no matter right or wrong. It goes for both sides though. Some mid tier cables compared to low tier cables probably do not make much a difference and I can see how sometimes imagination may take over to cancel buyer's remorse.

Cables do matter for IEMs and should be the "last mile" upgrade, that's my opinion. With that said I'm fortunate and thankful that I got to discover myself the differences rather than to trust some random non believer posting his arguments on a forum.

I agree about the different cables making difference to IEMs. I'd be lying if I stated otherwise based on my real life experience.