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Thanks for the reply! I took a look into several things after reading your reply. Firstly it's new to me that the sound for NC-capable headphones to be actually worse when the NC function is not activated. I would've thought the NC circuitry when turned on would affect the sound more. This was especially the case when I noticed some hissing noise with NC turned on for the K28NC. The sound also felt flatter when NC was on.
So you would suggest UEs or the Sony's over the AKG in that they would have cleaner sound? Sony ones should be readily available for audtioning at the local Sony centre but still can't compare it to the AKGs.. The 1RNC looks great even though I've been a great fan of AKG's styling (and not much of a fan of Sennheiser's look..)
My budget is a bit flexible at the moment in the sense that the K490NC would be in the more affordable bracket and the K495NC being in the upper bracket. The K550 should be within the upper bracket, while the QC15s are inbetween the K490 and K495 prices so can definitely be considered. I have read about the QC15s to be very good. But they're around 4 years old now? Has things changed over this time? Also I've read they don't work without battery.. which makes them rather peculiar since I don't think I'd use the NC function for vast majority of the time so needing to charge up just to use them on a normal daily basis might unnecessarily drain the battery life quickly. I note the AKGs are built in USB charging.. which might also be a problem for battery life if I rarely ever cycle the battery charges. But so in your view the Bose would outperform both AKG models in their best state (either NC on or off)?
I tried reading up on Goldenears (I couldn't find "CS"?), they don't have the NCs tested but I took a look at the K550, K701 and K702.. I haven't yet been able to understand the graphs despite skimming Goldenears' explanation (unfortunately have a load of exams coming up soon so don't want to spend time reading up on it as I usually otherwise would) but it appears the impulse response is significantly higher on the 701 and 702s than the 550. Same for step response. I couldn't make anything out of the frequency response..
Anyway, I think I understand a bit more about the open and closed differences of headphones now and think open sets such as the 701/702 won't suit me given the environment I'm in always has some background noise and having the background noise go right through the beautiful music would be a problem. They're also a lot pricier and would require an amp (which I don't have). The K550's are, according to marketing, designed to sound like open-back while being closed-back? I take that to mean it has better soundstage than the average closed back but falls short of the the standard open-back. Also the K550 I've read can work without amp, which is a plus. I've seen the K550 available for testing in stores so might drop by after exams to audition them.
So it might come down to deciding between the K550 and NC sets such as 490NC or the MDR-1RNC? Not sure which I'd be more happy with
First off, there might be some kind of misunderstanding. I'm referring to the common practice of manufactures purposefully making the sound anemic when NC is off and overemphasizing the low end once it is on, for demographical reasons.
Definitely the UES over the AKGs, if only for their better balancing overall. The Sonys are rather mid-forward but still less grain, if you so happen to like that sort of signature.
Since isolation is a worry, I have to point that I would never recommend either AKGs for noisy-environment purposes. When they say open-back, they mean completely vented to the point where there is absolutely no isolation at all. It is the same phenomenon as if your ears were fully exposed. And the K550s while still closed, have gotten plenty of complaints, and I'd have to agree with them, on how the pads are overly large and the material/texture itself makes it difficult to get an acoustic seal, let alone isolate.
I would have just looked at their FR graphs as the step and impulse is easily summarized and visualized better in a spectral decay graph.
If you could call excess resonance "purposeful tuning" then sure the K550s have that.
Would you say the M6 is more durable than the M9?
(The Gr99 cable looks far too "flimsy" and the GR02 ends up being almost 36 dollars with shipping at ebay, Thanks for the reccomendations though! Maybe I'll get them for myself later. )
I've heard the M6 sounds better than the M9, but is it more durable?
Edit:
Found these at Amazon for a little cheaper. I might buy these for myself, but give him the M6.
Are these the same thing?
http://www.amazon.com/VSONIC-Silver-Earphones-Earbuds-iPhones/dp/B005EM9KRI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1366471865&sr=8-1&keywords=Vsonc+gr02
The M6 is more "rugged" material wise (metal housings of that nature, however solid it might seem from conception, dent rather easily). Not to mention more sweat resistant.
Yes, that was the exact same shop who's price I used as reference to after you mentioned the budget.
hi... is audio technica ath-cks55 good for its price??
is it a great all arounder?? how is it compared to Brainwavz M2??
thank you... ^_^
Much thinner and energetic. Nowhere near the organic feel nor the texture of the Brainwavz. Really depends on what you perceive an all-rounder to be.
Hello. I'm not an extreme audiophile but i like quality sound re-production. I'm a mechanical engineer and i understand the technology and operation behind sound.
Last year i bought the V-moda remix remote new for around 40gbp. For their price i couldn't find anything better at that moment. Sadly some months ago one of the drivers half-failed. After contacting V-moda i couldn't get them repaired because of buying from not an authorised reseller (which is plain stupid-what warranty is this?). After i decided to repair them myself, although it turned up as not a contact fail, but a driver fails. So i'm looking for new ones now.
Although i don't put a price limit yet, i don't want to break the bank. And price doesn't tell the whole story. They may be cheap where you can buy them but not here. Additionally i'm always looking to get max performance per $$$ on whatever i'm buying. For example Monster just overprices their products, even if they are quality ones. You could say it's a premium but not always this holds true. It's not like Apple that will give you a new one. Also i could just go and buy the drivers directly and then 3d print a housing, solder the cables and done a lot more cheaper.
However looking to find the monitors with the most balanced frequency response (so you hear a flat response) isn't always sounding the best. This is many times due to other factors like how music was processed, etc. Still, there are more things that affect the performance. As for my music tastes i hear from electronic to classical music, but i would hate monitors without good bass reproduction.
So far i've looked online as well in the multi-iem thread (which lacks reviews on v-moda products which i would compare since i have the experience), but i can't narrow my search. Also headphoneinfo.com has good reviews from a technical perspective but is lacking quantity of product reviews. V-moda make the vibrato which i was interested initially, although it's out of stock everywhere, and when i contacted them it will only come out in stock this summer. Plus, when i asked them if they are going to release a new version they didn't answered.
As for "accessories" i would prefer volume control, mic functionality but i could add it after either way. Another thing, is i would greatly prefer something that is durable too, even if i'll have to pay extra.
Kind Regards,
Ken
Durable, volume control, mic - well I'm still not sure of the budget. The UE900 (yes I realize their pricing, but relative in audiophilia, they would be considered a good value as they punch above even some of the CIEM demos I've heard not to mention the functionality) does have most of these features (along with a nice, though slight, bass bump) - this would be worth a read for sure http://rinchoi.blogspot.ca/2012/10/ultimate-ears-part3-in-depth-analysis.html. Though it's unlikely from what I'm reading out of your post that this is the sort of budget you're so inclined towards, but better to cover all of the bases.
On the other end of the spectrum there's the X10 with similar functionality and nice bass. However the long-term durability reports haven't been so good. Leaving the mic functions out of the equation, you could also look at something like the BA200 or the GR07s. Their electroacoustic performance is rather good, not to mentioned likely balanced to your tastes (again, would heavily recommend looking at rin's site if you're technically inclined - http://rinchoi.blogspot.ca/2013/04/tdk-ba200.html, http://rinchoi.blogspot.ca/2012/10/vsonic-gr07-mkii.html). These are well known as being exceedingly good values, not to mention the acoustic R&D (yes these are in-house) is staggering for the price and how they still manage to keep it down.
Appreciate the suggestion.
Budget wise for a durable pair that I can keep for years to come with replaceable cable, my budget is 400ish. Or I was thinking I could go ulta cheap sub 50 and replace them as they wear out.
Basically I use them daily for commute and gym. I got my full seized around the ear for home. Performance in loud environment is more important to me then my sound preference (anything to avoid the music they play at my gym). Doesn't have to be complete isolation, just enough so I can listen comfortably in moderate to low volume, definitely want to avoid cranking them up too loud. My problem is that I've had some that were 100 ish but they would fall apart on me after awhile. It's either the wire would fall apart or the casing would become unglued.
I was even thinking picking up hd25 II/ apmerior. Sure they are more in your face then what I am looking for but maybe that's not so bad in noisy environment and I loose some portability but I've heard they are very durable with every part simple to replace. Price is 200 ish which isn't bad. Only deal breaker is that isolation wouldn't be as good and I might have to crank up the volume to compete with outside noise.
Thanks again for the insight.
While I'd still stick to my previous suggestion of the A161p, perhaps adding in the IE800s and GR07 as well (honestly you needed spend that much especially if it's for gym use - longevity is quite nice on these two already), I'd have to say that whatever you've heard about the HD25-ii's isolation is slightly off the mark. They clamp and isolate at IEM-worthy levels.
yamaha eph 100 vs Ath ckm99s? decided not to get the gr04 or the gr06
Both are rather disparate so I'm not sure what led to this choice. Did find it strange how you limited yourself to the VSonics.
Either way not sure of/forgot your sound preferences so I'm just shooting in the dark atm.
hi guys,
I was thinking of getting myself some nice new IEM's for my budget of about 400$. I listen mainly to Metalcore and related genres as well as EDM( not the chill typ) and from time to time some classic. I will be using my Sansa Clip-->CmoyBB for now but I a thinking of getting myself an Fiio X3 as an upgrade.
I don`t really know what to get, and all the nice reviews and comparisons only make it harder. Anyway I saw that there are some CIEM`s within or only slightly above my budget, and since They semm to be quite good, deciding to even harder for me, so I would appriciate if you could give me some directions. Also I will be using them for a few hours at a time, so they shouldn´t be to fatiquing.
thanks in advance
Genres are helpful but stating sound sig/preferences, preferences in terms of build, isolation, etc, would also be helpful.