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Jul 18, 2006 at 7:02 PM Post #31 of 64
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Originally Posted by antiant
LOL, but of course (my little red colored sig etc
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) however, i'm curious if i already bought microsoft xp home, could i use it on the new one, or is this computer specific?


It depends. If it's an OEM version (i.e. it came with another PC) then no; OEM licenses are for one hardware configuration only. If you have the full retail version, then you can legally transfer the installation to the new hardware.
 
Jul 19, 2006 at 2:52 AM Post #32 of 64
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Originally Posted by firefox360
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this or not (I'm guessing not), but since you'll probably be going with a dual-core system, why are you still considering Windows Xp HOME edition? Home edition only has support for single processor/single core systems and you won't be able to make use of the second core processor. Professional on the other hand support dual processor/dual core systems. So thats another thing to keep in mind.
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thanks for letting me know this, i did not know anything about this, nor do i know the difference among home and professional
 
Jul 19, 2006 at 2:53 AM Post #33 of 64
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Originally Posted by dwin902
It depends. If it's an OEM version (i.e. it came with another PC) then no; OEM licenses are for one hardware configuration only. If you have the full retail version, then you can legally transfer the installation to the new hardware.


yeah i have the full retail of it, but now i'm wondering about what firefox360 said...anyone have any clues here?
 
Jul 19, 2006 at 6:24 AM Post #37 of 64
I must add my two cents in favor of Lian-Li cases. They are by far the best-made of any I've used, including Antec, and are quite a bit easier on the eyes than most PC cases. They put in many small features that other companies overlook, which make for a great build, and user interaction. Simply put, they exude quality. Granted, they do cost a fair bit more than some cases, but even the cheaper models are very nice (I built a system in the G50 the other day, it is excellent for the price/size). I use the 6077, which can be had for around $100, and I think it's well worth it, for the quality and features. Granted, you can get even more interesting features from some of their more expensive models ([drool] S80 [/drool]).

Furthermore, I will also advocate for the Seasonic S12 line of power supplies. They are among the quietest, most efficient (i.e. lower power bills), and best-built (only P.C. Power & Cooling is better in that regard) around, and the basic 330W model (more than enough, unless you're doing SLI or the like), is only $55 or so. A very worthwhile investment, in the most important part of the PC (IMO).

Other than that, I'd definitely hold out for the Conroe if possible, and that coming from a lifelong AMD guy. I smell an OC'ed E6600 in my future
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Jul 20, 2006 at 4:08 AM Post #38 of 64
I would think about getting a 3800x2 if I were you. I have seen a majority of them clock to 2.8ghz. Originally I bought a 4800x2 as I didn't know about overclocking.

Through some posts off headfi and reading overclocking forums I can get it to hit 2.85ghz. But considering the price of the 4800x2 compared to the 3800x2 to the 3800x2 is better value and seems to overclock just as well.

I use a seasonic s12-600 and while I find it quiet and efficient there is one caveat. Seeming as I use the antec p180 case it really is a bit of a chore to get the cables nice and tidy. It would be better is it was modular like some of the tagans and other brands I have seen. Also the 12v 4 pin atx just about reaches the socket. But in the Silverstone Teimjin t-06 the 4 pin 12 atx plug and the 24 pin lead aren;t long enough to reach an asus a8-sli board.

It also worth a look at decent cooling as while many case manufacturers supply fans with the cases they either a)they don't produce enough cooling or b)Noisy as hell c)both of the options.

I orginally replaced the case fans with akasa amber series fans 120mm. While it was an improvement sound wise by far. 17 db's (44cfm) compared to an average of 25db's+with the antec case fans. But we are having a heatwave at the moment and I stuck the antec case fans back in as they offered more cooling. So I went out and bought the silentX fans which hopefully will retain the low sound emission of the akasa's while maintaing the airflow rate of the antec case fans.


The new conroes do look interesting as Peter stated above. I have noticed a rash of people selling off their amd's to go conroe. But I was readin an article somewhere and through gaming benchmarks there is very little improvement over the amd's. Of course in non gaming roles then it's different. But for a simple gamer like me it is not worth making the switch. But if you haven;t got a pc yet or were going to upgrade then it is a good path to go.

Also consider the monitor/gfx combo setup. I bought a Dell widescreen monitor and partnered it with the 7800gt. The 7800gt is a fine card. But it has trouble stepping up to the dell's native screen resolution with games. I can run everything fine and dandy at 1200 but for games like BF2, fear, quake 4 etc it will not step higher or if it can it plays at a low framerate or you have to sacrifice eye candy stuff. And that;s after I replaced the cooler with the artic cooling vga fan and overclocked its lovespuds off.
 
Jul 20, 2006 at 4:14 AM Post #39 of 64
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Originally Posted by GoRedwings19
But I was readin an article somewhere and through gaming benchmarks there is very little improvement over the amd's. Of course in non gaming roles then it's different. But for a simple gamer like me it is not worth making the switch. But if you haven;t got a pc yet or were going to upgrade then it is a good path to go.


This is true, for gaming the video card is king, and always get the best you can there, to be sure your games are not video card limited, before you worry about having the fastest CPU.

But from what I've read regarding other arenas that are CPU limited, like media encoding, compiling, etc, the Conroe simply slays, and that's before you get to overclocking it. Add that they've finally matched AMD in the low power useage game, and it screams out "buy me!"
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Jul 20, 2006 at 5:13 AM Post #40 of 64
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Originally Posted by Iron_Dreamer
This is true, for gaming the video card is king, and always get the best you can there, to be sure your games are not video card limited, before you worry about having the fastest CPU.

But from what I've read regarding other arenas that are CPU limited, like media encoding, compiling, etc, the Conroe simply slays, and that's before you get to overclocking it. Add that they've finally matched AMD in the low power useage game, and it screams out "buy me!"
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Do you know what I find highly amusing for a newcomer to PC's like myself. People who get their high end gfx card and then people say they are like CPU limited and then they get a faster CPU and then they say but you are gfx card limited.

It reminds me sometimes of the It's your source, it's your amp, it's the alignment of the planets.

And then you have the amd fanboys and intels/ati V nvidia. It like a mirror image of the things here.

Makes it difficult to make purchasing decisions. Sure if you can afford the amd fx-98 and nvidia gfx10000ex4 in octal sli.

Good thing it is realtively cheap compared to headphones. At least I find it is. But still a wallet drop kicker nevertheless.
 
Aug 14, 2006 at 3:33 AM Post #43 of 64
ok i'm back...after looking over different things ad nauseam i've come up with this:

CPU
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Windsor 2000MHz HT 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Dual Core Processor – Retail – $180.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103747

MOTHERBOARD
ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail - $139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131013

MEMORY
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400 - Retail - $219.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145590

VIDEO CARD
eVGA 256-P2-N554-AX Geforce 7600GT KO 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail – 159.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130017

STORAGE
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM - $94.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148140

SOUND CARD
Ego Systems Juli@ - High quality 24bit 192kHz stereo Audio/MIDI interface with swappable I/O socket - $129.00
http://www.4beatz.com/search~stype~exact.htm

DVD/CD
NEC Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE/ATAPI DVD Burner – OEM - $28.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827152058

CD ROM
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OS
Windows XP Professional w/SP2

Case

Antec LifeStyle SONATA II Piano Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 450Watt SmartPower 2.0 ATX 12V V2.0 for AMD & Intel systems Power Supply – Retail - $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129155

are all the parts here compatiable? anything i'm missing? and another question, IDE round cables how well do those work? i'm not too comfortable with the OEM harddrive being that it is OEM so i might change that and find a retail one or something, i don't know...hope all this is legit
 
Aug 14, 2006 at 5:01 AM Post #44 of 64
Nothing wrong with oem hard drives, they just don't come with the box, cables, and paperwork. Most builders don't need any of that anyway, the Seagates come with a 5 year warranty. I have 2 of the Seagate 320gig drives you listed, they are oems from newegg, no problems at all. Massive storage, fast, and quiet.




Edit: by the way, here is a cheap cd/dvd drive. Very quiet, and cheap.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827135085
 
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