Dec 11, 2003 at 4:17 AM Post #91 of 102
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Originally posted by hottyson
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My favorite model of all time is the Paradigm Mini Mk III.


BTW, Don't mistake these for the Mini Monitors. I can't stand the treble in the Mini Monitors.
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Dec 11, 2003 at 4:25 AM Post #92 of 102
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Originally posted by Jam_Master_J
The Titans are awesome for their price( I got mine for $230 Canadian new)



Got my pair of Titans in 2001 for just US $160 (before taxes) brand new at a local dealer. The Atoms $138 in 2002. Ridiculously great value indeed.

Cheers,
Raul
 
Dec 11, 2003 at 6:07 AM Post #93 of 102
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Don't mistake these for the Mini Monitors. I can't stand the treble in the Mini Monitors.


I agree. I auditioned both the Mini Mk III and their replacement, the Mini-Monitor, in my home, and to my ears, the Mini Mk III was a lot smoother. Probably due to its soft-dome tweeter.
 
Dec 11, 2003 at 7:46 AM Post #94 of 102
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Originally posted by soundboy
Probably due to its soft-dome tweeter.


You got it! I remember when they came out with that horrible new tweeter. They even wanted more money for the newer "improved models." I don't know what paradigm was thinking. One of these days I am going to get a pair of the old Mini Mk III and perhaps some matching soft-dome paradigm counterparts to complete a small home theater setup.
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Dec 11, 2003 at 9:02 AM Post #95 of 102
I agree the Minimonitors are kind of bright, I would say they are a bit "exaggerators" in general, they were also too bassy for me, the overall sound was too powerful and charged. The sound of the Titans was much more balanced and natural for me.

PS. I should point out, with respect to my indication that the Titans in my setup roll off after 10 KHz, that's to be taken with some grains of salt. The performance of the Radio Shack meter in the treble region is very quesitonable despite the correction factors that circulate online. That's one of the reasons I actually don't worry about how my amateur measurements roll off in that last octave.

Raul
 
Dec 11, 2003 at 1:13 PM Post #96 of 102
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Originally posted by rsaavedr
[BFirst time I hear that, where did you get that impression?[/B]


The tweeter unit is a derivative of the one used in the Wharfedale Diamond speakers, a friend of mine who works in a hifi store told me this. Its a silk dome. At the end of the day, I wouldnt worry too much about this, I'm sure my Missions contain cheap drivers as well, but I think the expensive box of the Quad severely ramps its price up, relative to its performance.
 
Dec 11, 2003 at 11:24 PM Post #97 of 102
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Originally posted by pbirkett
The B&W Nautilus 805 I heard once and it seemed a bit overpriced for what it was, a bit cold sounding to be honest, might have been synergy problem there.


I suspect this might be a synergy issue. As others have said, the 805s need a lot of power. Also, I think they really work better with tubes than with solid state -- the warmth from the tubes really works well with the detail and bass extension that the 805s can extract. I think they are fantastic in my system -- they have a wonderfully soundstage with great instrument separation and very natural, musical sound. The fact that they are good looking does not hurt of course...Here's one taken in available light one evening.

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Dec 12, 2003 at 3:37 AM Post #98 of 102
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I agree the Minimonitors are kind of bright, I would say they are a bit "exaggerators" in general, they were also too bassy for me, the overall sound was too powerful and charged. The sound of the Titans was much more balanced and natural for me.




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BTW, Don't mistake these for the Mini Monitors. I can't stand the treble in the Mini Monitors.


I'm gonna break from the crowd and say that I really liked the mini-monitors. I've gotta say that the Titans do sound great but I liked the minis better. In my opinion that bass of the minis was practically identical to the Titans but the midrange was more realistic. The imaging seemed better too, actually having some depth. They also seemed a bit less directional than the Titans. I liked the highs too. Perhaps a bit bright but I liked it. I also like Grados so that could explain it. But the price difference between the minis and titans seemed a little excessive for the relatively small differences.
 
Dec 12, 2003 at 4:44 AM Post #99 of 102
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Originally posted by Jam_Master_J
In my opinion that bass of the minis was practically identical to the Titans but the midrange was more realistic. The imaging seemed better too, actually having some depth. They also seemed a bit less directional than the Titans. I liked the highs too. Perhaps a bit bright but I liked it.



Well Jam we do disagree on that. The bass of the minimonitors for me was clearly more powerful than the Titan's. But then again, room acoustics might have played a trick on me when I heard them side by side. For both models, they weren't on speakers stands in free space but on a long shelf that had a row of bookshelf speakers on top, maybe 10 speakers in total, and somewhat too close to one another, around 4 inches gap between speakers. It was an A/B switching comparison with good HT electronics, but the speaker placement could have been way better.

Both Titans and Minis are rear ported, and now that I think about it, all of those speakers were with their backs almost touching the back wall. If the mini's were closer to that wall not sure if that might have emphasized the bass that much? This was a couple of years ago, would need to compare them again, but the bass in the minis was clearly stronger for me in that audition.

About directionality I do think the Titans are very directional after I've played with them a lot at home, the minis I really couldn't say.

This Sunday I'm going to the Florida head-fi meeting in Clearwater. Saturday I'm stopping by Orlando and Tampa to listen to as many speakers and integrated amps as I can. (This is becoming a hobby in itself for me :-), to enlarge and refine my mental database of speaker sounds and signatures). Will try to compare Titans and Mini's again if I have a chance. But now they are at their 3rd version right? Probably there are slight differences compared to 2 years ago.

Cheers,
Raul
 
Dec 16, 2003 at 10:40 PM Post #102 of 102
Hello All,

I attended the South Florida head-fi meet this past weekend, by the way I highly recommend checking out the pre and post forums, there are some nice pictures:

http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showt...0&goto=newpost

http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showt...6&goto=newpost


In Orlando and Tampa-St.Petersburg I managed to go to 3 Audio stores. Heard the Paradigm Studio 20's in Absolute Sound, and a bit of the mini monitors; Focal JMlab Chorus and Mini Utopias in Sounds Terrific; and Sonus Faber Concertino and Concerto in one Sound Advice store.

The Studio 20's (Absolute Sound) were amazingly comfortable to listen to, overall they are always a little warm, but very refined for me, very smooth highs. I heard to the mini monitors again and briefly, but not side by side with the Titans, the Titans were in another room and not connected. However, the minis were in a very large room, and about 2 feet from the rear wall, they filled that large space with very nice bass. They sounded great, and from my own experience with my Titans I think the Titans wouldn't have filled that room with bass that well. But again I couldn't compare them side by side this time, however this other exposure make me preserve my belief that the Minis have stronger bass than the Titans.

Sounds terrific unfortunately didn't have any Quad speakers to audition, which were my main interest (12L's) beside listening to some integrated amps. Anyway, they had Focal JMLab bookshelf speakers. I believe I listened to one of Chorus bookshelves, but don't remember exactly the model #. They sounded great connected to a Cambridge Audio A500 amp and a Classe CD player, even though the room was way less than ideal (a small cube).

They also had some much more expensive JMLab Micro Utopias connected to Musical Fidelity source and amp, and using Nordost speaker cables, quite some gorgeous gear all together, but oddly enough the room was also just a small cube, and on top of everything, there was a Rel subwoofer in the corner connected to that system. I didn't like the bass at all, too much, putting that aside the speakers sounded nice but there was a high freq. echo that I know doesn't exist in the tracks I played through them (heard those same tracks also in the top headphone setups of the Florida Headfi meet, so I can tell). So the room was not at all up to demoing such speakers I think.

The small Concertinos (Sound Advice) sounded nice but collapsed quickly in the bass at high volumes. The store assistant was driving the volume knob, I was listening to them with track 1 of "Thirteenth Step" (A perfect circle). When the bass kicked in there was an ugly loud pop as if the speakers had blown. They hadn't, as soon as he turned down the volume everything sounded normal again, but a tiny sound for the room. I think they understandably can't handle bass at too high volumes. This was a very large room, my listening position was probably 12+ feet away from the speakers, and there were several feet between me and the rear wall. Also the room was very wide, probably 30 feet, and it was basically empty except shelves on the walls with gear, and the two framed listening chairs at the sweet spot. we probably were asking too much volume out of the Concertinos for such room size. The Concertos sounded great in a similar room, so I would say if someone likes the sound of the Sonus Fabers better than any other speakers, then I would suggest choose between the Concertinos or Concertos depending on your room size.

Well that goes for my exposure to speakers this weekend.

Cheers,
Raul
 

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