Yeah thats why we never got around to playing twilight emperium, it was really long, and its also pretty expensive, like 70 bucks, but it looked really cool, but i remember reading that the endgame wasnt all that great, but there were several rules mods that made it better. See we didnt like some of the expansion elements to Mare Nostrum, felt some of the units were overly powerful. I think my favorite play through was when i played rome, which is the warrior state, with the bonuses to battle, and i didnt fight a single person, won by building the pyramids haha it was awesome, by controlling cities. And since i was rome no one was paying attention to how many products(or whatever they were called) i was getting each turn.