Best way to lose some weight?

[botmann]

For years people (in some countries) have been told even by ministers to avoid eggs as they're potentially harmful. Others say this is rubbish and they are a good food source. This person who happens to be a Harvard student consumed so many that if there was a serious issue it would've been detected, but there wasn't, others also eat many eggs each week and are healthy.
Read about it by googling and you can find out what else he ate. The point has been well and truly missed, eggs are beneficial and for decades people have been scared off eating them. The idea was for people to research cholesterol and whether we're getting enough in our diet and the proper amounts we should be eating to stay healthy but it's turned into trying to rubbish a poster so others can make out they're clever.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with about the Havard student's experience with the large egg consumption. Still, one person's experience as the basis for evidence is antidotal, which is very poor evidence. It is used to explore further. As for what you're implying. It's not necessarily they said eggs were bad, it was more that yokes could have too much HDL. And regarding cholesterol, the issue is that the body makes its own colestrol too, like vitamin D. People from Ivy and other prestigious schools can still do poor research.

Unfortunately, we're agruing slightly different points. All I'm saying, based on the information you gave, it is not good evidence. If there isn't good evidence, can there be a point to miss.

 

[Ryokan]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with about the Havard student's experience with the large egg consumption. Still, one person's experience as the basis for evidence is antidotal, which is very poor evidence. It is used to explore further. As for what you're implying. It's not necessarily they said eggs were bad, it was more that yokes could have too much HDL. And regarding cholesterol, the issue is that the body makes its own colestrol too, like vitamin D. People from Ivy and other prestigious schools can still do poor research.

Unfortunately, we're agruing slightly different points. All I'm saying, based on the information you gave, it is not good evidence. If there isn't good evidence, can there be a point to miss.

You seemed to seize on the point he was a Harvard student which I felt was side tracking the issue I wanted to raise, I hoped people would be interested enough to search about the topic for themselves as lately I've noticed it's being discussed more and more on-line, as is the mental health of older people and how eating certain foods could help them which they may have shunned having been 'bombarded' with conflicting accounts for decades.
Whether people agree with the study, or who did it, hopefully it might get them to look up the two types of cholesterol in different 'foods'. HDL in yolks is now not thought to be harmful which is what the student, and others, are testing.
In the seventies company's were promoting their products which were low in fat, but they were high in sugar and salt to compensate, but today many are saying sugar is more harmful to what it was replacing.
The evidence I gave was simply a snippet of a news story to hopefully trigger people's interest in the subject of cholesterol which is quite complex but which I feel can have profound consequences on people's health. Some experts have one view, while more people (Harvard students among them) seem to be saying lately certain foods have been misaligned for too long, butter was another but more and more people are now returning to using it after being told they should use alternatives.
I'm not an expert which is why I posted about the recent news article as eating over 700 eggs in one month is no small feat and especially when yolks contain a lot of cholesterol. Is cholesterol bad for us (there are two types) or is it beneficial and what is the proper amount we need, does that conflict with what we're normally told? It's worth reading about.
People need to take Vitamin D(3) as at a certain age as our bodies produce less and less and what we once got from sunlight is not enough. Imo Vitamin D3 is essential and many people don't realise they're deficient which can be a serious problem long term.

 

[botmann]

You give people too much credit thinking they'll look anything up. Shame on you; just joking.

I haven't read or heard anything about the seven hundred egg story, until you mentioned it. I'm not a nutritionist, but I do work in healthcare where I do deal with people's diets to some degree. My education/training has it where there can be a significant differences in quality of studies. Policies and procedures and changed based on studies. I work in the section where some of these changes of tested to see if there is any statistically significant outcomes for people by those changes.

The one problem issue with you bringing up that egg study, based solely on the information you have shared, is that the portion probably does not tell if all the cholesterol really means anything. Even if it is something generally good for us, the body still has to process the food. If it's too much, the body cannot, and maybe not be able to get rid of it, thus it ends up in areas it should not be. And HDL is not immediately damaging.

I do agree that there are things that things have changed over time regarding food, diets, and habits. The sugar thing is true. It's only been in the last ten years approximately that high fructose corn syrup is not good for us. This is why many fruit juices are discouraged from drinking every morning; they have as much sugar as a can of soda. We also now know bread is a hidden source a high salt amounts.

As to losing weight, one factor as you imply, watch and weary of what you're eating. I would add portion control. Exercise/activity is a factor too, but diet is significantly more.

 

[Ryokan]

The one problem issue with you bringing up that egg study, based solely on the information you have shared, is that the portion probably does not tell if all the cholesterol really means anything. Even if it is something generally good for us, the body still has to process the food. If it's too much, the body cannot, and maybe not be able to get rid of it, thus it ends up in areas it should not be. And HDL is not immediately damaging.

It was an extreme test that no one should copy as I suspect he was carefully monitored. He did it as he had a hunch which was proved correct as his levels actually went down when the opposite would normally be expected especially consuming such a large amount that would tax his body.

 

[SilverEars]

workouts to develop muscles to burn fat. However, this sounds easier than done for older folks. Anyway, the point is, work out for developing muscle so that you can increase your metabolism in general. You gotta do as much as you can even when old. lol

I got problems with junk food, and it's hard. lol So, reducing intake of junk food is the big one.

I ran into this Korean announcer's videos and her love for breads and pastries, and that can really pack on a lot of pounds.


And look at what she does to keep her weight down. She runs like 20kms! to burn all that off. It takes a lot, and when old, you can't do a lot of excersises. She shows that, the people around you is probably doing maintenance for their weight to keep it down.


I heard her story, and a lot of it stems from her mental issues, and eating is to fill a void she had. Her story is pretty remarkable. You have to AI translate to English captions. When I see fat kids with their fat parents, it just looks so bad. They learn bad habits that gets embedded deep when you're a child. Diet while you're a child really does effect how you approach it as an adult.


I know Michael Phelps was take in crazy amount of calories a day since he swims so much that he burns it off, but I wonder what happens if he kept that habbit and gets old? Does he start to being obese? Does he keep training or does he reduce his calorie intake when not training?

 

[SilverEars]

These days pretty much everything is bad for you.
I take all such warnings with a large pinch of salt (also bad for you).

We are more aware of stuff than in the past. I think this country is an example of corporate greed that misleads people into the worst diets that increase general obesity rates. A lot of countries have much healthier diets due to their diets being traditional. The US has developed a lot of the processed foods approach that has been spread all over the world. We pushed a lot of fast foods franchises to other countries, and they also follow our processed food methods as well. We are not a good example.

Thankfully, as some of these countries develop, American fast foods become much less popular.

I see videos of people in Mexico drinking cola like water and diabetes rates climbing. Do the Coca Cola share holders care? We approach food in really bad ways. That's something probably overlooked when a video is shown of how capitalist US has abundance of food vs Russia at the time long ago. It was at a cost.

 

[AndreRitter]

I can't argue with that, the diet of the sixties and before might seem dull now but it was largely healthier.

 

[SilverEars]

I can't argue with that, the diet of the sixties and before might seem dull now but it was largely healthier.

If you're from England, then I probably wouldn't know. I guess it's also location dependent and family tradition too. Like, if you grew in some farms and eaten all the produce you grew (and traded with your neighbors) and the farm raised animals. Compared to convenient foods mainly at the grocery and fast foods. Also, fast foods also changed over the years for the worse I imagine. You just have to look at the ingredients label and all the addatives they include. I don't think the corporations or FDA gives a crap.

I can't even trust the taco seasoning they sell in the stores these days. There are so many ingredients listed.

 

[SilverEars]

I'm shocked this guy is still alive at 17. Does this mean you can eat whatever you want when you're young, but at a certain point in age, it will mess you up?


Also, her. How's she still alive?

 

[botmann]

No. I didn't watch the videos, but it's probably safe to assume they're not giving the full picture of their diet. That guy is working towards a massive heart attack. That's the kind of diet that builds plaque in the arteries and will make the circulation around his heart go to trash and thus make vessels around his heart go necrotic. Him being young does not it a free-for-all, but may be hiding the symptoms. Yes, being young may help recover from poor diet decisions.

There are diet decisions we make when we are young that will not be sure till much later in life. Diet is one of the most significant impacts on our lives according to studies. Exercise follows that. Generics is a distant third.

As someone who works in healthcare, I get to see the effects of poor health decisions. Want to live relatively healthy life and not end up on a bunch of medications and be able to perform as many as ADLs and walk, eat a balanced diet, watch portions, and keep moving around (exercise). It can be depressing having to care for people who are bedbound. I wouldn't want to live that way; watching TV all day, every day is no life of quality to me.

 

[2leftears]

I didn't bother to read the entire thread but a few thoughts (which may already have been mentioned):

The human body is amazingly efficient in its use of calories. Eat one Malteser and you have to run like 10 marathons to burn off those calories (I'm exaggerating of course, but you get the drift). By all means, absolutely do exercise, it is good for your body, brain, cardiovascular heath, etc. But in terms of losing weight it is far less efficient and far less easy than simply reducing your calorie intake.

Don't necessarily eat less in volume, but eat different. And watch out for some of the "hidden" calories even in the official health advice:

• Five-a-day: eat five portions of fruit & veg a day, so the health advice goes. There is a hidden danger in this health advice: it really should be four portions of veg and one portion of fruit, not four portions of fruit and one portion of veg. Fruit contains a lot of sugars (fructose, less harmful than glucose, but digestible sugar and therefore calories none the less). Nor should it be five portions of starchy 'veg' like potatoes, and definitely no "fried" veg like chips...
• Alcohol = calories, lots
• Beer = calories, lots of it
• Soft drinks: lots and lots of sugar
• Refined carbohydrates like white bread = sugar rush (not directly, but your body barely notices the difference)
• Milk = calories, especially those lattes and cappuccinos are absolutely packed with calories. What do you think the evolutionary/biological purpose of milk is, and what do you think lactose is? If you are worried about calcium deficiency: did cavemen drink cows milk when they were adults? (yet they had strong bones) Many green leafy and other vegetables and nuts contain plenty of calcium (if you eat them), and there are calcium-fortified milk substitutes also if you refuse to eat enough veg.
• Smoothies (sounds healthy, fruit & veg, but lots and lots of calories). Make them smaller or add fewer apples/berries and more leafy veg and/or water (yes, it may get a bit bitter)
• Breakfast cereals; avoid the ones with added sugar which rules out almost every breakfast cereal you find on the supermarket shelves. Eat some plain porridge oats instead (ideally prepared with water, not milk). Regular chocolaty breakfast cereal with milk = calorie bomb.
• Switch the granola for a plain muesli without added sugar
• Nut butters; gram for gram you body will extract many more calories from smooth-ground nut butters compared to chewing the same quantity of whole nuts. Nut butters can be enjoyed in small quantities if you are trying to lose weight but at the same time can actually be useful for people who need to eat more calories like those with e.g. malabsorption in IBD patients.
• Watch out for "light" products variants. Often those advertising low sugar add more fat, and those advertising low fat add more sugar.
• Be careful with sweeteners; whilst they contain less (or no) calories, they can make you feel less satisfied and can make you eat more if you are predisposed to doing so.
• Drink water with a meal instead of wine and definitely no regular Cola or other soft drink.
• Ketchup: After tomatoes the main ingredients are mostly sugar and some vinegar (plus a few spices).

Unfortunately our western tastebuds are totally used to a high sugar intake, that is the biggest change you can make: get used to less sweet food and lose that sweet tooth. Sweeteners can be a useful temporary substitute, but ideally just get used to food tasting less sweet. And take care not to substitute sugars with fats. It takes some time but it works, and you will start to notice the more subtle sweetness of 'natural' foods.

 

[finbad]

Portion control with the target of 2000 calories daily - choose those nutritious foods mindfully.

Get hooked on the endorphin brain chemical release of even fast paced walking, starting with short distances - you MUST make up your mind to do so to start, and soon exercise becomes addictive.
Swimming laps is terrific exercise as a goal - an altered state of consciousness while being weightless

Lots of great information in this thread posted above

 

[Spareribs]

An easy way to lose or maintain your weight is what I call the “Bruce Springsteen diet”

Bruce Springsteen basically keeps it simple: One meal a day and in the evening some fruit. That’s it.

In my opinion it’s possibly the simplest diet without over thinking it. The issue is that buying fruits and raw vegetables to snack on can potentially get expensive perhaps especially if you want to buy better quality ones.

 

[vexden]

Tried many many diets.
Ozempic has been the easiest...

Honestly though, portion control is the key.

 

[moriez]

I'd say best way is whatever works for you, in the sense of the diet is sustainable over a longer time and plus see some physical change. I'm going with eating less and eating healthier while allowing going mildly overboard sometimes. I mean who doesn't love a pizza or chocolate every now and then. Here's a ''science driven'' vid that motivated me. Is worth the look especially the fasting bit. Second vid I haven't watched but heard mentioning someone lost 18 pounds in six months by means of intermittent fasting.