Best alternative headphones to HD600?
May 1, 2019 at 6:18 AM Post #16 of 38
I read every post btw. I haven't quoted everyone but do note I will consider every post.

I have big ears! As far as extending the arms, wouldn't the headphones just hang by jawlines if I extended them that much??

try relaxing the clamp force first as I outlined in my post. After you relax the clamp that way even the same settings (ie how many clicks out) will feel different.


HE400s is well within my range. I can buy new. How's the weight, pads, and clamping/suspension force?

Headband self-adjusts to larger heads but not by as much as AKG's headband, weight is partly subjective ie a light headphone can feel even lighter if the clamp force is weak (ex K70x and adjusted HD6xx), but if you want something you can drive easily but sounds close enough to the HD600, this is it.


I remember the HE400 used to have quality assurance issues or something some years back. All good now?

Improved but if you're going to compare the customer service of a company that has employees that don't speak English or French well much less have grown within a culture with constant threat of getting sued if they suck hard enough then you're in for a bad time compared to Sennheiser.
 
May 1, 2019 at 11:16 AM Post #17 of 38
Fostex T60 sounds interesting - just around my range, I could still look for lightly used. I'm not a fan of extra weight though. How's the clamping and suspension force (pushing down into cranial) versus 600?

I only listen for fun and don't do critical listening/mixing/etc. I will probably attach my Antlion modmic to whatever headphone I buy and do occasional gaming.

Would a 58x headband easily slide in? That might be cheap and worth trying.

T60 will be heavier just because they're planar drivers instead of dynamic, also I'm sure the wood cups are denser than the plastic ones. Fostex's stock suspension strap leaves a bit to be desired, I mean, it is still a suspension strap, but it's think and not too soft? The comfort for the T60 went up immensely for me with the ZMF Sheepskin pads, which also tamed the treble. If you're looking for the softest suspension strap ever, I'd recommend Modhouse's Deerskin strap, but the Mr Speaker's leather strap is also pretty soft, at least on the suede side... T60's also don't clamp super hard, but I apparently have a head on the smaller size of average? As far as suspension force, each cup is individually adjustable, so you should be able to set it to your liking.

Alternatively, the Argon mk3 is also an option that can be ordered with the suspension strap, and ZMF pads. It's slightly lighter without the wood as well. Downside is that the sound is a bit darker, to where I prefer the ZMF Proteins, personally.

The 58X headband should just pop out from the cups of the 58X and then into the 600 cups. Easy peasy. Though I haven't tried it. I'm sure there are videos on how to do so though...
 
May 1, 2019 at 5:50 PM Post #18 of 38
try relaxing the clamp force first as I outlined in my post. After you relax the clamp that way even the same settings (ie how many clicks out) will feel different.

Headband self-adjusts to larger heads but not by as much as AKG's headband, weight is partly subjective ie a light headphone can feel even lighter if the clamp force is weak (ex K70x and adjusted HD6xx), but if you want something you can drive easily but sounds close enough to the HD600, this is it.

Improved but if you're going to compare the customer service of a company that has employees that don't speak English or French well much less have grown within a culture with constant threat of getting sued if they suck hard enough then you're in for a bad time compared to Sennheiser.

I am trying to relax clamping right after I make this post.

As for HE400s and other headphones.. What other options would you recommend for around $300 (may be able to find even higher end for used but that's luck of the draw)? I already have a decent amp+dac (centrance dacport hd) that I actually used to run my 600ohm DT880 with so I can run anything.
I don't really need same sound signature as my HD600 - I just want good quality sound that is not V-shaped or too bass heavy. I'm pretty flexible when it comes to that.

T60 will be heavier just because they're planar drivers instead of dynamic, also I'm sure the wood cups are denser than the plastic ones. Fostex's stock suspension strap leaves a bit to be desired, I mean, it is still a suspension strap, but it's think and not too soft? The comfort for the T60 went up immensely for me with the ZMF Sheepskin pads, which also tamed the treble. If you're looking for the softest suspension strap ever, I'd recommend Modhouse's Deerskin strap, but the Mr Speaker's leather strap is also pretty soft, at least on the suede side... T60's also don't clamp super hard, but I apparently have a head on the smaller size of average? As far as suspension force, each cup is individually adjustable, so you should be able to set it to your liking.

Alternatively, the Argon mk3 is also an option that can be ordered with the suspension strap, and ZMF pads. It's slightly lighter without the wood as well. Downside is that the sound is a bit darker, to where I prefer the ZMF Proteins, personally.

The 58X headband should just pop out from the cups of the 58X and then into the 600 cups. Easy peasy. Though I haven't tried it. I'm sure there are videos on how to do so though...

Not having any luck finding hd580 or hd58x headband.. Only finding ones that look exactly same as my current stock hd600.. Went through ebay and amazon.. Argh! :disappointed:

Question for you (or anyone for that matter).. It might come across as an odd question and nit-picking but I have to ask.. I see these pads saying sheepskin or whatever.. Do they use actual skin they cut/peeled off those animals or just the outer fluffy fur part? I'm not too keen in getting something like real skin peeled off if I can avoid it.. I'm a vegetarian as personal choice -- of course, if this is too limiting, I would be okay with real leather but trying to avoid it.. Looking through this thread, all beyerdynamic, Sennheiser, Shure, Grado, Audiotechnica, Hifiman headphones are vegan. Other companies I would have to ask them.
 
May 1, 2019 at 9:29 PM Post #19 of 38
Hey there,
The HD 58X uses the same headband as the HD 650. Try Googling "Sennheiser 549347;" I didn't find anything straight away, but with some perseverance you might have some luck. The HD 580 used the same headband as the HD 600.

If you like the DT 880 you might also try the DT 1990 (which I own and think is great) or the Amiron Home (which I've not heard, but is well loved by others). The DT 1990 has a pretty strong clamping force (and suspension force, I guess?), but the pads are a different shape so it feels a bit different. The Amiron Home is allegedly very comfortable.

Also, yes the sheepskin pads are made from animal skins. Brainwavz makes some nice vegan pleather pads (also leather ones, velour ones, and hybrid velour/pleather), but I don't know if they'd fit your Sennheisers. Honestly, if you like the sound of your HD 600 you might want to stick to velour pads anyway, as changing pads can have a noticeable affect on the sound. Also, not a weird question at all.

EDIT: after about one minute of research, the Brainwavz velour pads do fit on the HD 6** series headphones. The one very amateur seeming impression I saw was that they're much more comfortable, but that they alter the sound.
Toward the bottom of that page there's a link to a Reddit discussion about them with the HD 650. Don't know if I'm allowed to link here.
 
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May 1, 2019 at 10:27 PM Post #20 of 38
Not having any luck finding hd580 or hd58x headband.. Only finding ones that look exactly same as my current stock hd600.. Went through ebay and amazon.. Argh! :disappointed:

Question for you (or anyone for that matter).. It might come across as an odd question and nit-picking but I have to ask.. I see these pads saying sheepskin or whatever.. Do they use actual skin they cut/peeled off those animals or just the outer fluffy fur part? I'm not too keen in getting something like real skin peeled off if I can avoid it.. I'm a vegetarian as personal choice -- of course, if this is too limiting, I would be okay with real leather but trying to avoid it.. Looking through this thread, all beyerdynamic, Sennheiser, Shure, Grado, Audiotechnica, Hifiman headphones are vegan. Other companies I would have to ask them.

Hey there,
The HD 58X uses the same headband as the HD 650. Try Googling "Sennheiser 549347;" I didn't find anything straight away, but with some perseverance you might have some luck. The HD 580 used the same headband as the HD 600.

Also, yes the sheepskin pads are made from animal skins. Brainwavz makes some nice vegan pleather pads (also leather ones, velour ones, and hybrid velour/pleather), but I don't know if they'd fit your Sennheisers. Honestly, if you like the sound of your HD 600 you might want to stick to velour pads anyway, as changing pads can have a noticeable affect on the sound. Also, not a weird question at all.

EDIT: after about one minute of research, the Brainwavz velour pads do fit on the HD 6** series headphones. The one very amateur seeming impression I saw was that they're much more comfortable, but that they alter the sound.
Toward the bottom of that page there's a link to a Reddit discussion about them with the HD 650. Don't know if I'm allowed to link here.

So, adding on here. Megabigeye is correct, 650 headband is also the same as the 6XX and the 58X, but the original 580 is the same as the 600. You can however simply replace the cushioning. BTW, the first link is a video on how to replace it, and the second link is a non-affiliate amazon link. It's amazing how easy the HD 6** line is to repair and maintain, honestly.

In so far as pads. Yes, the sheepskin pads are made from sheep leather, cow hide from cow leather, etc. Protein leather is made (in most cases, to my knowledge) from eggshell protein, and is NOT vegan, even though it is a synthetically produced leather. Vegan options for headbads are things like ZMF Suede Pads. Not all synthetic leather are made vegan, just something to keep in mind.

Modhouse Audio actually makes some pad adapters for the HD 600-line of headphones, they recommend the Velours to preserve as much of the stock pads. Dekoni Audio also makes some half decent (IMO) replacement pads for the HD 6** line. I have personally tried the Elite Velours, and the Elite Hybrids. I like both, tbh.

Anyways, hope this helps!
Maximum Effort
 
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May 1, 2019 at 10:32 PM Post #21 of 38
Hey there,
The HD 58X uses the same headband as the HD 650. Try Googling "Sennheiser 549347;" I didn't find anything straight away, but with some perseverance you might have some luck. The HD 580 used the same headband as the HD 600.

If you like the DT 880 you might also try the DT 1990 (which I own and think is great) or the Amiron Home (which I've not heard, but is well loved by others). The DT 1990 has a pretty strong clamping force (and suspension force, I guess?), but the pads are a different shape so it feels a bit different. The Amiron Home is allegedly very comfortable.

Also, yes the sheepskin pads are made from animal skins. Brainwavz makes some nice vegan pleather pads (also leather ones, velour ones, and hybrid velour/pleather), but I don't know if they'd fit your Sennheisers. Honestly, if you like the sound of your HD 600 you might want to stick to velour pads anyway, as changing pads can have a noticeable affect on the sound. Also, not a weird question at all.

EDIT: after about one minute of research, the Brainwavz velour pads do fit on the HD 6** series headphones. The one very amateur seeming impression I saw was that they're much more comfortable, but that they alter the sound.
Toward the bottom of that page there's a link to a Reddit discussion about them with the HD 650. Don't know if I'm allowed to link here.

Brainwavz hm5 velour is what I have right now on my HD600. They were a hassle getting on, but I got them on. My ears are good - my head is the issue. Oh and I found HD650 headband padding for $17 shipped..

Amiron is too far out of my budget at $600. DT1990 might be as well -- doubt I will find either used for around $300.
 
May 2, 2019 at 1:23 AM Post #22 of 38
As for HE400s and other headphones.. What other options would you recommend for around $300 (may be able to find even higher end for used but that's luck of the draw)?
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I don't really need same sound signature as my HD600 - I just want good quality sound that is not V-shaped or too bass heavy. I'm pretty flexible when it comes to that.

AKG K7XX

HiFiMan HE-5 / HE-500


Question for you (or anyone for that matter).. It might come across as an odd question and nit-picking but I have to ask.. I see these pads saying sheepskin or whatever.. Do they use actual skin they cut/peeled off those animals or just the outer fluffy fur part?

Ummm....they're both part of the skin. The only difference from real leather that is cut into squares is that it will originally have a very thick rough side that is peeled off if the application makes the thick part problematic, like with earpads. Otherwise for other applications like the leather slabs I use to hone my knives the rough side needs to be as thick as in the original craft leather cuts so they can take more of the polishing compound and then shave off as much of the burr on the edge as possible.


I'm not too keen in getting something like real skin peeled off if I can avoid it.. I'm a vegetarian as personal choice -- of course, if this is too limiting, I would be okay with real leather but trying to avoid it.. Looking through this thread, all beyerdynamic, Sennheiser, Shure, Grado, Audiotechnica, Hifiman headphones are vegan. Other companies I would have to ask them.

I personally prefer velour (it's hot AF down here) but you have to keep in mind that there are BIGGER problems in audio than the use of leather. The leather at least is made from livestock that also feeds people and pets, but what about the rest of the headphone? I'd hate to break it to you and others that share your sentiment, but there is no such thing as a totally vegan company if you actually take the animal suffering part seriously. Plastics are made from whale-murder petrochemicals, and before they get swallowed by whales, there were penguins and seagulls in that sludge. The metals and rare earth magnets used are mined with only some strong storm waiting to carry toxic sludge that will not just drown people but also displace wild animals (that are endangered, unlike livestock) even before the natural calamity happens. China has most of the rare earth mines, so not only are the mining ops a problem, but along with the headphone factories there, know that the money you spend eventually goes to some middle aged guy that refuses to use big pharma voodoo like Viagra and pays a premium for tiger and cobra testicles and rhino horns, plus maybe some elephant tusks for a statue on his desk.

Besides it's not like you can totally avoid the use of leather or causing animal suffering indirectly in your entire life. Do you get haircuts and get at least your sideburns shaved clean? if your barber uses a straight razor, guess what he sharpens that on. Yep, that's right, that leather strop hanging on his counter. You eat out? Sure the chef's knives might be made from old Jeep leaf springs and the handles made from recycled skateboards, but surprise, the chef might hone the knife on a leather strop mounted on a block of wood. Barber uses only electric clippers? Blades still mined and the housing is made out of whale-murdering petrochemicals. You eat bread, rice, and noodles? Tough luck kid, the farmland and dams needed to irrigate these are taking more and more living space from wildlife, and tigers, leopards, sun bears, and orangutans being wildlife are going to die out a lot faster than the cows you only see to be doing nothing but fart-punch the ozone layer but get all the love anyway (then again, cows are mostly vegan, unlike cats and primates that eat Bambi). How did you get to work today? Because even if you took a Leaf or a Tesla, they still roll on rubber, which is either farmed or synthesized, but doesn't biodegrade easily either way. It's like feeling good about not wearing leather like those animals in NYC Fashion Week that deserve to get paint all over their outfit but somehow forgetting where those Nikes are gonna go if they're too busted to go into a collectible sneaker collection.

Voluntarily getting a vasectomy and not having any children to reduce the number of humans that will need to use these resources can do more for the planet than worrying about livestock beyond outright abuse, like a city's worth of idiots abusing bulls in the name of tradition. Hell, taking care of your headphones and repairing them if possible is already one way to at least minimize the manufactured product going back to the earth as toxic waste. In other words, go enjoy leather if you want and use real leather that doesn't flake easily, there are more areas to make a small contribution than a product borne out of making use of every single part of the animal to minimize waste (BTW, collagen broth made from pork or beef bones can help with the joint pain from consuming too much tofu as long as you skim the fat).
 
May 2, 2019 at 8:02 AM Post #23 of 38
Good thinking, @Hageatama! I hadn't thought of just replacing the padding, even though I saw it more readily available than the whole headband (also, headband assembly was going for ~$90, pad was going for <$20, I think). I'd forgotten about protein leather being made from egg protein. But Brainwavz uses PU leather, which is not the same thing... BUT some PU leather (bicast leather) is actually made partially from leather... BUT not all of it is. Who knows which Brainwavz uses. (I honestly didn't know that some PU leather is made from actual leather and only learned it when I just looked up PU leather expecting to see that it's just petrochemical.) (And to be honest again, I was calling it "pleather" because I didn't know which sort of fake leather they use.)

Though @ProtegeManiac also makes a good point: you can't really get away from causing animal suffering or polluting, you can only defer the costs. If you've never watched The Good Place, they get into this line of philosophy. My wife is obsessed with that show.
 
May 2, 2019 at 11:11 AM Post #24 of 38
Though @ProtegeManiac also makes a good point: you can't really get away from causing animal suffering or polluting, you can only defer the costs. If you've never watched The Good Place, they get into this line of philosophy. My wife is obsessed with that show.

It never ceases to frustrate me how leather is demonized despite (or more accurately, because of) meat, and in audio forums people get too worried about leather earpads when the guy who owns the factory in China might be paying for tiger bones and rhino horns just to not give Pfizer any money; how plastics are petroleum by-products (that somehow are better than leather, until plastic straws draw all the rage), and petroleum kills a lot of wild animals; and how rare earth magnets can displace leopards and tigers and pandas. But sure, the poor cows and steakhouses are fart-punching the ozone.

It's like the obsessive war against "single use plastics" here, when people use them as trash bags. That's technically two uses. Now that groceries don't dish out plastic bags people just use actual garbage bags that they have to buy, while those who use plastic boxes in their freezers can't squeeze more stuff in there which means more trips for those who would otherwise not notice the degraded quality of food frozen for over two weeks (or people crank up their fridge compressors just to make sure that food inside a container that doesn't shrink around it would actually freeze fast enough).
 
May 2, 2019 at 5:09 PM Post #25 of 38
AKG K7XX

HiFiMan HE-5 / HE-500

You think I may be able to find HE-5 or HE-500 (used) for around $300? I remember they used to go for like $550-600 some years back.

How about Grados (someone mentioned them earlier)? I know Grados are light and could attach some nice earpads to them. Like Grado SR 225e

Ummm....they're both part of the skin. The only difference from real leather that is cut into squares is that it will originally have a very thick rough side that is peeled off if the application makes the thick part problematic, like with earpads. Otherwise for other applications like the leather slabs I use to hone my knives the rough side needs to be as thick as in the original craft leather cuts so they can take more of the polishing compound and then shave off as much of the burr on the edge as possible.


I personally prefer velour (it's hot AF down here) but you have to keep in mind that there are BIGGER problems in audio than the use of leather. The leather at least is made from livestock that also feeds people and pets, but what about the rest of the headphone? I'd hate to break it to you and others that share your sentiment, but there is no such thing as a totally vegan company if you actually take the animal suffering part seriously. Plastics are made from whale-murder petrochemicals, and before they get swallowed by whales, there were penguins and seagulls in that sludge. The metals and rare earth magnets used are mined with only some strong storm waiting to carry toxic sludge that will not just drown people but also displace wild animals (that are endangered, unlike livestock) even before the natural calamity happens. China has most of the rare earth mines, so not only are the mining ops a problem, but along with the headphone factories there, know that the money you spend eventually goes to some middle aged guy that refuses to use big pharma voodoo like Viagra and pays a premium for tiger and cobra testicles and rhino horns, plus maybe some elephant tusks for a statue on his desk.

Besides it's not like you can totally avoid the use of leather or causing animal suffering indirectly in your entire life. Do you get haircuts and get at least your sideburns shaved clean? if your barber uses a straight razor, guess what he sharpens that on. Yep, that's right, that leather strop hanging on his counter. You eat out? Sure the chef's knives might be made from old Jeep leaf springs and the handles made from recycled skateboards, but surprise, the chef might hone the knife on a leather strop mounted on a block of wood. Barber uses only electric clippers? Blades still mined and the housing is made out of whale-murdering petrochemicals. You eat bread, rice, and noodles? Tough luck kid, the farmland and dams needed to irrigate these are taking more and more living space from wildlife, and tigers, leopards, sun bears, and orangutans being wildlife are going to die out a lot faster than the cows you only see to be doing nothing but fart-punch the ozone layer but get all the love anyway (then again, cows are mostly vegan, unlike cats and primates that eat Bambi). How did you get to work today? Because even if you took a Leaf or a Tesla, they still roll on rubber, which is either farmed or synthesized, but doesn't biodegrade easily either way. It's like feeling good about not wearing leather like those animals in NYC Fashion Week that deserve to get paint all over their outfit but somehow forgetting where those Nikes are gonna go if they're too busted to go into a collectible sneaker collection.

Voluntarily getting a vasectomy and not having any children to reduce the number of humans that will need to use these resources can do more for the planet than worrying about livestock beyond outright abuse, like a city's worth of idiots abusing bulls in the name of tradition. Hell, taking care of your headphones and repairing them if possible is already one way to at least minimize the manufactured product going back to the earth as toxic waste. In other words, go enjoy leather if you want and use real leather that doesn't flake easily, there are more areas to make a small contribution than a product borne out of making use of every single part of the animal to minimize waste (BTW, collagen broth made from pork or beef bones can help with the joint pain from consuming too much tofu as long as you skim the fat).

You are right about everything you said. We don't know where the materials we use in everyday life come from or who or what those funds contribute to.. We might indirectly be contributing to the slaughter/selling of endangered species.

So let me explain my thoughts. The main reason I'm a vegetarian is pretty straightforward: I am unwilling to contribute to animal suffering just like I'm unwilling with human suffering. My dog for instance had injury in his foot with pus and everything fluffed up. He was in severe pain but obviously he couldn't speak. He sat in one place for 2 days, barely eating and hopping around on 3 legs to go for bathroom outside. He would scream and cry if you put your hand near his paw. At night he was standing up and hopping up & down to get our attention to comfort him. You rub his head and he would calm down & return to sleep almost like a child who can't speak. Stuff like that makes me realize how intelligent these animals are, and I know other animals like pigs, cows, sheep are just as emotionally intelligent. Pigs might actually be smarter than dogs. I can't and won't eat meat as personal choice.

I'm also not a fan of excessive breeding animals for our consumption - we consume way too much meat (well not me but speaking as society). It destroys agricultural farmland, leads to deforestation to create grazing open land and excessive livestock contributes to lots of methane, a greenhouse gas even more potent than CO2. I can't be a party to that, at least not directly. I just try to control what I can, but obviously you are right that a lot of it is out of my control. I'm in my late 20s and didn't care about this stuff most of my life until maybe 3-4 years ago when I worked for this global environmental research organization. The data and information we compiled from ground research by UNEP, WHO, others opened my eyes. I try to avoid Nikes and Apples and Walmarts of the world as much as possible because they are known for using illegal sweatshops with little kids and environmental violations, etc. But of course, you are right that doesn't mean Google (pixel) or Corsair (k70 keyboard) or BENQ (monitor) or Vizio (tv) or Gigabyte (motherboard) don't use same or similar unsustainable & illegal practices. They might - we don't know.. But I still try to control what I can. I limit food waste - only take what you need and don't make excess food. I buy what I need and when I need it - others might see a sale and buy things they don't need. Clothes, I buy when I feel like they are not right size or look overused with color beginning to fade. Headphones - I own 3 headphones and if I do decide to buy another pair, I'm selling my HD600 or selling my old DT880.
 
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May 3, 2019 at 2:15 AM Post #26 of 38
You think I may be able to find HE-5 or HE-500 (used) for around $300? I remember they used to go for like $550-600 some years back.

You can find them used for not much over $300. That however doesn't mean you'll find it within your preferred time frame. You have to hang around audio gear trading forums or eBay.


How about Grados (someone mentioned them earlier)? I know Grados are light and could attach some nice earpads to them. Like Grado SR 225e

If your large earlobes have a problem with an oblong circumaural earpad I'm not too positive about an on-ear earpad that either clamps or falls off with the gentlest headbang.


You are right about everything you said. We don't know where the materials we use in everyday life come from or who or what those funds contribute to.. We might indirectly be contributing to the slaughter/selling of endangered species.

Problem is there's an excessive focus bordering on obsession with livestock when these at least won't go extinct. No leather? Cool. Guy who owns factory where that all plastic headphone was made needs the money for all natural viagra though so goodbye rhinos and tigers. Guy who owns the ship that brought that headphone over from China? Surprise, he might have gone to Africa to put a bullet through a lion or leopard.


So let me explain my thoughts. The main reason I'm a vegetarian is pretty straightforward: I am unwilling to contribute to animal suffering just like I'm unwilling with human suffering. My dog for instance had injury in his foot with pus and everything fluffed up. He was in severe pain but obviously he couldn't speak. He sat in one place for 2 days, barely eating and hopping around on 3 legs to go for bathroom outside. He would scream and cry if you put your hand near his paw. At night he was standing up and hopping up & down to get our attention to comfort him. You rub his head and he would calm down & return to sleep almost like a child who can't speak. Stuff like that makes me realize how intelligent these animals are, and I know other animals like pigs, cows, sheep are just as emotionally intelligent. Pigs might actually be smarter than dogs. I can't and won't eat meat as personal choice.

Dogs and cats eat meat though. Are you going to catch all cats and force them to hork down vegan cat food? Because there's probably a cat waiting near your office right now to chowdown on a rat digging for a meal in the dumpster. That poor rat is going to suffer because the cat made the personal choice to eat it.

And again, I'd be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more worried about plastics and mines killing wild animals that are endangered and can't really live properly in captivity than what my shoes are made of or livetstock that won't go extinct no matter how many end up at House of Prime Rib (and the ramen shop a few blocks down and the pet food factory a few miles away because...ya know...utilize every part of the animal).

And surprise...synthetic leather sucks. That's why you see kids with cheap earphones looking like they have dead skin freshly scratched off their cheeks. Same thing with a pair of $15 leather shoes I bought and the guy who owns the factory probably spent my money buying all-natural Viagra.

I'm not saying you should go use leather. If you don't want to use it that's fine, I don't for headphones either because it's hot. What I'm saying is if you really want to sympathize with animals there are bigger things to worry about. Like how about not buying any headphones at all so you never contributed to the consumption of synthetic materials that probably killed penguins and seals and seagulls and later whales while the magnets in the drivers were mined and tigers got displaced and some time later will be drowned in toxic sludge. It's not a big thing to ask, really. I mean it's not like you have to go on a boat to harass some Japanese ships, you just give up something so that others might live, so in this case, give up audio.


I'm also not a fan of excessive breeding animals for our consumption - we consume way too much meat (well not me but speaking as society). It destroys agricultural farmland, leads to deforestation to create grazing open land and excessive livestock contributes to lots of methane, a greenhouse gas even more potent than CO2. I can't be a party to that, at least not directly. I just try to control what I can, but obviously you are right that a lot of it is out of my control. I'm in my late 20s and didn't care about this stuff most of my life until maybe 3-4 years ago when I worked for this global environmental research organization. The data and information we compiled from ground research by UNEP, WHO, others opened my eyes. I try to avoid Nikes and Apples and Walmarts of the world as much as possible because they are known for using illegal sweatshops with little kids and environmental violations, etc. But of course, you are right that doesn't mean Google (pixel) or Corsair (k70 keyboard) or BENQ (monitor) or Vizio (tv) or Gigabyte (motherboard) don't use same or similar unsustainable & illegal practices. They might - we don't know.. But I still try to control what I can. I limit food waste - only take what you need and don't make excess food. I buy what I need and when I need it - others might see a sale and buy things they don't need. Clothes, I buy when I feel like they are not right size or look overused with color beginning to fade. Headphones - I own 3 headphones and if I do decide to buy another pair, I'm selling my HD600 or selling my old DT880.

The excessive consumption isn't just per capita, but the technology to preserve food that was supposed to minimize the slaughter just ended up feeding more people, which meant fewer people died of malnutrition and famines, and now we have even more people that need more meat. This is why PETA has been poisoning cats - they're going to save cows and chickens and tuna by poisoning shelter cats then forcing the rest to eat plants (that caused severe constipation on my cat before that required an operation - where's the empathy for animals there while I'm evil for having steaks with my cat).

In short, the boom in headphone audio is contributing to environmental damage, therefore to not contribute to this, might as well not buy headphones. I haven't bought one since the HD600, and I wouldn't have bought a few IEMs over the years if they didn't break (otherwise understandable given their use case).

Oh and FYI when I'm at a Korean BBQ joint I prefer the more expensive ones not for the better quality beef (your neck will feel stiff and heavy before you can eat a lot of it either) but because they use tastier lettuce if not perilla leaves to wrap that meat in. And I also mostly eat vegetables. Some days I only have scallion noodles or scallion pancakes.
 
May 3, 2019 at 3:50 AM Post #27 of 38
As far as possible replacements I’d go for something like the R70x, or the SRH1440 if you want to be able to drive it without an amp. Both cans are very very comfortable and sound very close to the 600 aka neutral. The Audio Technica though reaches looow compared to both the Sennie and the Shure that run out of steam rather quickly.
 
May 3, 2019 at 7:14 PM Post #28 of 38
Fully extend the metal arms.

Bend one metal arm in the opposite direction at the middle, then do the other side, then go back to the first side but bend outward near the gimbal, then do that to the other side too, holding at each section for 10seconds. Repeat and cycle through all points until the clamp is relaxed.

Tried that. Loosened it up a bit. It definitely feels bit more comfortable but I still do feel it against my cranial. I will try it for a few days though and we will see.
Another issue I forgot to mention is itchiness around my sideburns where the brainwavz velour pads rest.. Might be the material but I don't have any allergies.. I dunno..

I should try a few different headphones though from amazon. If I like one, I can still return them and look for used. Amazon has great 30 day return policy.

Recommended by other posters so far:
-custom Grado
-Soundmagic HP200
-Fostex T60RP
-HiFiMan HE400S
-AKG K7XX
-HiFiMan HE-5 / HE-500
-Audio-Technica ATH-R70x
-Shure SRH1440


Not really thinking about Grados (customizing could be a hassle & returns costly if not comfortable) or Soundmagic (reviews are mehh).
The recommendations in bold are open game. I'm trying to determine which would be significant downgrades in sound quality from HD600 -- downgrades are not worth it so I would eliminate those next. Doing some googling next few days...
 
May 3, 2019 at 9:45 PM Post #29 of 38
Tried that. Loosened it up a bit. It definitely feels bit more comfortable but I still do feel it against my cranial. I will try it for a few days though and we will see.
Another issue I forgot to mention is itchiness around my sideburns where the brainwavz velour pads rest.. Might be the material but I don't have any allergies.. I dunno..

I should try a few different headphones though from amazon. If I like one, I can still return them and look for used. Amazon has great 30 day return policy.

Recommended by other posters so far:
-custom Grado
-Soundmagic HP200
-Fostex T60RP
-HiFiMan HE400S
-AKG K7XX
-HiFiMan HE-5 / HE-500
-Audio-Technica ATH-R70x
-Shure SRH1440


Not really thinking about Grados (customizing could be a hassle & returns costly if not comfortable) or Soundmagic (reviews are mehh).
The recommendations in bold are open game. I'm trying to determine which would be significant downgrades in sound quality from HD600 -- downgrades are not worth it so I would eliminate those next. Doing some googling next few days...

Before that, you may want to take a look at my last post, and try replacing the headband padding. Which you can do without much work, and with the HD 650 padding. Another thing is to perhaps try some of the Dekoni options from my last post, or perhaps some new Sennheiser pads?

This is the first I remember you mentioning your sideburns bothering you, and it might be cheaper to shave them honestly lol
 
May 4, 2019 at 2:06 AM Post #30 of 38
Tried that. Loosened it up a bit. It definitely feels bit more comfortable but I still do feel it against my cranial. I will try it for a few days though and we will see.

How much did you listen them up? I got my HD600 to feel like what the self-adjusting headband on AKGs feel like, which is almost nothing. On my head that's about 20x of 10 second bending at each point tehn I put them back on at about six clicks out from the tightest setting (I can wear them at four clicks but there's more weight on the headband against the top of my head).


Another issue I forgot to mention is itchiness around my sideburns where the brainwavz velour pads rest.. Might be the material but I don't have any allergies.. I dunno..

Sweat and oil on the earpads make velour a petrie dish for bacteria and mold. Retention and growth can vary across material types (ie vlour and foam will absorb, leather will not) and even between similar materials (some foam and velour are worse than others).


Recommended by other posters so far:
-custom Grado
---

Not really thinking about Grados (customizing could be a hassle & returns costly if not comfortable) or Soundmagic (reviews are mehh).

You don't have to mod the whole headphone. if you get something like the RSxe you can order C-Pad Beyerdynamic earpad adaptors from Headphile. If material variance from plastic earcups to wood C-Pads doesn't bother you you can get a cheaper Grado and use use; if you can rent a 3D scanner and printer and know how to use CAD you can scan the Grado and design your own plastic adapters for the SR225e down.


-HiFiMan HE400S
-AKG K7XX
-HiFiMan HE-5 / HE-500
-Audio-Technica ATH-R70x


The recommendations in bold are open game. I'm trying to determine which would be significant downgrades in sound quality from HD600 -- downgrades are not worth it so I would eliminate those next. Doing some googling next few days...

All newer so not downgrades, you just get different trade offs on the sound from the newer driver designs.

HE400S : higher sensitivity at very low impedance, partially negated by how planars can tolerate lower damping factor before they start distorting.

K7XX : Slightly improved imaging, but a bit down from K702.

HE-5/HE-500 : Can sound very different. Comparatively very low sensitivity.

R70X : Higher sensitivity, higher impedance. No 3500hz peak - some will hear smoother, some will hear darker.
 

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