Audio-Technica ATH-MSR7 Discussion Thread

Apr 8, 2015 at 10:02 PM Post #736 of 2,808
Got these yesterday and have only had very small amount of time to listen to them. I used my DX50 phone out and my HTC M7 and I really, really like what I've heard. Can't wait to put this one through it's paces and compare it to my HP50 (which I love).
 
Apr 13, 2015 at 9:58 AM Post #739 of 2,808
  hows the MSR7's soundstage?

 
Not big and don't have great depth. But I don't care, even sometimes I use MSR7 for FPS gaming. Because I can't find another soundsignature like MSR7. I don't like MDR-1A which have good depth.
 
Apr 14, 2015 at 1:12 PM Post #740 of 2,808
  hows the MSR7's soundstage?

 
For small cup headphones, not bad at all.  Better than the HP50 for sure.  But then AT knows how to get that airy sound.  I think the angled drivers give it that more expansive sound.
 
Apr 14, 2015 at 3:03 PM Post #741 of 2,808
   
For small cup headphones, not bad at all.  Better than the HP50 for sure.  But then AT knows how to get that airy sound.  I think the angled drivers give it that more expansive sound.

I agree, they're pretty good. I wonder if the 3 vents help with the soundstage. I think they definitely help contribute to the mediocre isolation. The HP50 has a strange soundstage. It's very peculiar.
 
Apr 14, 2015 at 3:44 PM Post #742 of 2,808
I believe the MSR7 are going to have three type of listeners.  A hit among some.  A miss among others.  And the third will be like me, gets the bass/mids/soundstage/appearance/build quality oh so right, but the treble veers off.  The third like me will dearly wish could love the headphones.
 
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  I agree, they're pretty good. I wonder if the 3 vents help with the soundstage. I think they definitely help contribute to the mediocre isolation. The HP50 has a strange soundstage. It's very peculiar.

The three vents I think are more for bass, bass ports.
 
As for soundstage, HP50 tries to mimic near field monitors IMO.  So it's not that far off.  And it definitely has a decent presentation in that you can hear the layers in music and directional.  My MSR7 is preferable in that regard, but it doesn't have that speaker/room feel, definitely has the artificial headphone soundstage.
 
I gave MSR7 a last listen before dropping it off at UPS few hours ago.  HP50 in almost all regards superior to the MSR7.  Soundstage more expansive on MSR7, but the presentation for me better in HP50.  It's more speaker like, think HD650, not the sound though, not veiled or dark at all.  The sound is even and you can hear all the nuances of treble and high frequencies as MSR7 without the fatigue and ringing sensation I get. 
 
But I do have to say for those interested in MSR7, I found them comfortable, my ears fit in the pads comfortably well.  The bass is amazing, the mids a little forward, the treble is very detailed, fast, "transient response" can definitely hear that.  It's not sparkly, it's shimmery for me, thin.  For build quality, it's top notch, far superior than NAD HP50 or Sony's MDR1.  The appearance is also unmatched by those two headphones, it's exquisite and I dearly want to love them just because they fit my ears so well, and look exquisite and feel sturdy.
 
Apr 14, 2015 at 5:16 PM Post #743 of 2,808
  I believe the MSR7 are going to have three type of listeners.  A hit among some.  A miss among others.  And the third will be like me, gets the bass/mids/soundstage/appearance/build quality oh so right, but the treble veers off.  The third like me will dearly wish could love the headphones.

 
Something doesn't sound right with your pair of MSR7.  Maybe you should send it for replacement?  I'm usually the one b!tching'n'moaning about treble brightness because I can't stand harsh upper mids/treble, especially grainy texture.  MSR7 hits every spot just right for me, especially top end that is bright/detailed and still smooth and natural. Though I'm keeping it away from bright DAP sources (like AP100), I can use it all my neutral sources just fine, and just like wine - it gets better with more hours I put on it.  I'm not even using any of my iEMs now.
 
Apr 14, 2015 at 5:21 PM Post #744 of 2,808
   
Something doesn't sound right with your pair of MSR7.  Maybe you should send it for replacement?  I'm usually the one b!tching'n'moaning about treble brightness because I can't stand harsh upper mids/treble, especially grainy texture.  MSR7 hits every spot just right for me, especially top end that is bright/detailed and still smooth and natural. Though I'm keeping it away from bright DAP sources (like AP100), I can use it all my neutral sources just fine, and just like wine - it gets better with more hours I put on it.  I'm not even using any of my iEMs now.

 
When I compare it to the HP50, it's no contest win for HP50 in almost every way except for the punchier bass the MSR7 do have.
 
Apr 14, 2015 at 9:27 PM Post #745 of 2,808
Just bought a black pair from Japan via using Tenso.
 
My impressions with Sony A16 (using always flac 16 / 24bit ) bit are :
 
Good sound free of an obvious coloration, good detail, neutral bass and mids with good separation. It is a very clear sounding device, thanks to the direct access of the drivers to ear. My cousin who loves flat sound (a real equalizer hater) instantly liked MSR7, and found it great for monitoring purposes.
 
Build quality is quite good. And it has some lovely accessories including 3 cables, and a good quality pouch. 
 
Flaws? 
 
Treble : In my opinion the treble comes a bit too agressive and peaky, sometimes in some recordings (take Chris Rea's On the Beach for example) enough for making only the snare drum piercing by itself without cymbals! Yet, in many records the slight harshness in the treble of MSR7 may not become an issue. Or maybe I am a highly treble-sensitive Jedi.
 
Soundstage : As many said, it is wide ; yet not deep. It has a more like 2D soundstage rather than a 3D one. I rotated each of the pads for some 90 degrees to get a more circular form, and I and my cousin think this helped positively to the width of the soundstage. 
 
Size : It is quite big fellas. I mean, if you've taken a pass at these beauties from esw9 like me, you'll have a substantial growth in size, I ensure you. 
 
Personal Conclusion : Worth its pricetag of $200, but not dramatically much higher. 
 
I am now dressed to buy an es10 from Japan, and mod its cables, pads, and probably cups in some time for a more engaging portable experience. Since I did not find MSR7 a fun sounding headphone. 
 
Apr 14, 2015 at 10:22 PM Post #746 of 2,808
These are not flat or neutral by any means.  No where close.  Too much emphasis on bass and the mids/treble are far too forward. 
 
I repeat, these are not flat sounding headphones have a lot of coloration in the bass (warm) and the mids/treble very bright/forward coloration.
 
Apr 15, 2015 at 5:59 AM Post #747 of 2,808
  These are not flat or neutral by any means.  No where close.  Too much emphasis on bass and the mids/treble are far too forward. 
 
I repeat, these are not flat sounding headphones have a lot of coloration in the bass (warm) and the mids/treble very bright/forward coloration.

I agree this is nowhere near flat in its presentation when we are talking about it in a critical analytic sense.
However,
I would say it is flatter in comparison to 90% of its main competitors (I.e. Sony MDR-1A, Senn Momentum/Urbanite, V-Moda M100, HP-50 [maybe a tie, personal preference here]).
Correct me if I am wrong,
but I think in the closed back portable headphone section,
this is one of the best in the market at the moment for a "less colored" signature.
 
Apr 15, 2015 at 8:31 AM Post #748 of 2,808
I agree this is nowhere near flat in its presentation when we are talking about it in a critical analytic sense.
However,
I would say it is flatter in comparison to 90% of its main competitors (I.e. Sony MDR-1A, Senn Momentum/Urbanite, V-Moda M100, HP-50 [maybe a tie, personal preference here]).
Correct me if I am wrong,
but I think in the closed back portable headphone section,
this is one of the best in the market at the moment for a "less colored" signature.


Sorry disagree. MSR7 is not less colored than MDR1 or Momentum. The bass is clearer than Momentum but not less colored. The treble and mids are brighter and more forward than both MDR1 and Momentum. Bith MDR1 and Mimentum do have a warmer muddier aound, MSR7 has a brighter more forward sound, sounds clearer because of it, just the other spectrum of colored. I prefer the MAR7 sound when my ears don't get fatigued andirritated by the shrill treble. I would say HP50 has a more straight forward presentation, but would atill not recommend for mixing/studio use. It is obviously made for consumer use as a portable headphone.

AKG K712 is the neutral headphone that I have heard.
 
Apr 15, 2015 at 12:14 PM Post #749 of 2,808
Sorry disagree. MSR7 is not less colored than MDR1 or Momentum. The bass is clearer than Momentum but not less colored. The treble and mids are brighter and more forward than both MDR1 and Momentum. Bith MDR1 and Mimentum do have a warmer muddier aound, MSR7 has a brighter more forward sound, sounds clearer because of it, just the other spectrum of colored. I prefer the MAR7 sound when my ears don't get fatigued andirritated by the shrill treble. I would say HP50 has a more straight forward presentation, but would atill not recommend for mixing/studio use. It is obviously made for consumer use as a portable headphone.

AKG K712 is the neutral headphone that I have heard.

Well, I guess our ears or our definition of colour is slightly different then.
I have the AKG K702 65th Annies which are almost the same as the K712,
I do agree it is very neutral.
But we are not going to compare the MSR-7 to them because they are in a very different class,
(open vs closed, different price range, etc).
 
I am going to focus on the MDR-1A and the Momentums here, since I have done a direct comparison of the MSR-7 to those before.
I have only tried the HP-50 when I visited a store and I haven't experienced it for more than 30 min,
so my perception of them may be slightly off,
since they sounded fast and delicate in my memory,
with a slight bass emphasis that seemed similar to the MSR-7 (correct me if I am wrong on this, its been a while),
but they seemed to have a weird soundstage that I didn't get used to and it lacked a little detail in some more complex classical tracks.
 
While for the MDR-1A there was simply a substantial bass hump compared to both its mid and highs,
which made it muddy compared to the MSR-7 as you said,
it also had a very pronounce Sony-flavor to it that I would describe as "fun".
This Sony house (very bass heavy in comparison) signature is why it is very colored compared to the MSR-7 in my opinion.
 
On the other hand,
The Momentum is also bass-heavy,
but not on the level of the Sonys.
Instead it carried a very Sennhieser house sound to it,
and was colored in a way that it brought the mids forward by quite a bit,
and the highs seemed recessed,
which made it sound lacking in detail and muddy as well.
Furthermore, because of a flawed cup design that made it pretty uncomfortable for my larger than normal ears,
I didn't even consider them further (thought I heard their version 2.0 is much better).
 
I would say the MSR-7 is closer to neutral than both of these,
Its bass is nowhere as accentuated, and its mids are not at a point that is affected by the amount of bass present.
Its very slight rise in the treble may be its only downfall,
which may seem harsh in some ears (also could be a strength in the ears of detail freaks).
The MSR-7 is definitely colored,
but its much closer to a monitor sound compared the other two HPs above.
I guess I agree the HP-50 (and maybe the MDR-1A and momentums) is better made as a consumer portable headphone in terms of its non-fatiguing signature,
but the MSR-7 is a unique sounding headphone that offers a more detailed and delicate sound compared to other HP here,
while not offering a signature that is perfect for outdoor use.
 
Apr 15, 2015 at 1:51 PM Post #750 of 2,808
MDR7 on my head didnt isolate well enough to be portable. And yes compared to Momentum and MDR1 MSR7 is more favorable sound to me, but calling them neutral and balanced is somthing I would avoid. Mids recessed for me, too much bass emphasis to be balanced and treble too shrill. But I did LOVE the bass, great bass.

I'm not sure why it isolates so poorly because it has a nice clamp and get a great seal from the pads. It looks like it would be a fantastic portable, but when I used it commuting for a week, it was terrible. K550 isolated better. When I was at home and listened critically in a quiet environment, I used the MDR7 at a lower volume because it was so detailed and the bass was great, but when commuting, had it on quite loud, louder than I could tolerate after a while, realizing how loud it was and became concerned about hurting my hearing.
 

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