Audio-Technica ATH-MSR7 Discussion Thread

Nov 27, 2020 at 5:07 AM Post #2,731 of 2,808
Well, I did it.
I bought the Yaxi pads for my MSR7.
I don't know if the worn stock pads were messing up the sounds, but it sounds sooooo nice with the Yaxi.
It really balances the sound nicely, taming the treble spike and high mid.
Vocals no longer have that hollowness and sibilance is reduced greatly.
The only issue is that they are uncomfortable AF.
My ears sit on the driver (large ears) and it gets uncomfortable after 4 hours or so.
Regardless, I got really good value out of it.
In fact, it sounds a bit like my Oppo PM-3. A bit brighter and with less bass, but a very nice overall signature.
 
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Nov 29, 2020 at 3:16 PM Post #2,732 of 2,808
I have owned both for a few months now. They are both excellent sounding, but are polar opposites in terms of sound signature. MSR7 is quite forward sounding with a fast, snappy attack, emphasis on the upper mids and lower treble with a slight lack of bass relative to the mids and highs. SRH1540 has a warm tilt to its sound with emphasis on bass, particularly the sub bass below 100 Hz. The upper mids are much more withdrawn on the Shures relative to the MSR7 and the sound of the SRH1540 is quite a bit more spacious (or distant, depending on how you look at it) and more laid back.

In terms of pure sound quality, MSR7 edges out the SRH1540 in bass tightness and definition, as the former has significantly less distortion below 200 Hz, especially at high volume levels. However, I cannot say that MSR7 has better bass - I think SRH1540 actually has the more satisfying low end. Despite having cleaner bass, MSR7 can also lack punch and presence down there, which SRH1540 has in spades. Actually, SRH1540 can have the opposite issue of producing somewhat excessive amounts of sub bass with some music, especially at high volumes. Overall, I think SRH1540 has a more natural bass presence and I can actually hear more low level information, more texture in the bass of the Shures vs. the MSR7, even though the bass on the Shures is a tad looser, less controlled.

Mids can sound overly forward and shouty on the MSR7 with some music, especially lively, energetic recordings. In terms of sound quality in the mids, I think SRH1540 actually beats the MSR7. The Shures have stellar mids. The midrange on the SRH1540 is extremely resolving, especially in terms of micro detail retrieval/texture, but also has a very pleasing, warm tone to it - just a bit of coloration - that adds magic to the sound. I guess one could say that SRH1540 has those classic Shure mids. Just yummy.
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Male vocals are probably the best I've heard on the SRH1540. The only issue with the mids on the Shures is that they are a tad recessed relative to the bass and highs, so they can sometimes lack a little bit of presence. MSR7 doesn't sound quite as textured in the mids as SRH1540, but does have more perceived clarity, probably because the mids on the MSR7 are much more forward vs. SRH1540.

The lower and mid treble is more edgy and forward on the MSR7. The highs on the MSR7 are extremely resolving and clear, but also have a hint of some unnatural metallic coloration at times - just a hint though. SRH1540 has very natural highs - I think more natural than those of MSR7. The Shures have a softer, more polite treble, but with very little loss of perceived clarity and similar, if not quite the same level of treble resolution that MSR7 has. Like with the mids, the highs on MSR7 are simply easier to hear because they are more forward sounding. SRH1540 doesn't draw attention to its highs, but the quality is still all there on the Shures. I would say that both have extremely good highs for closed back dynamic headphones and actually approach the very best open headphones in treble quality.

Soundstage is rather small and shallow on the MSR7, although imaging is very sharp and well defined. I would say MSR7 has a decent soundstage for a closed back headphone. SRH1540 does much better and actually has a pretty darn spacious sound for a closed back, approaching the spaciousness of my HD600 and K612 Pro. Soundstage width is not really great on the SRH1540, just OK, but soundstage depth/layering is remarkable. SRH1540 can, at times, convey more perceived depth to the sound than even my HD600 and K612 Pro.

SRH1540 seems to have wider dynamic range than MSR7 - the Shures can convey dynamic contrasts in music more effectively, more vividly to my ears. The remarkable soundstage depth/layering of the SRH1540 certainly helps with this also, while MSR7's lackluster layering makes it sound less dynamic than it probably is.

Both are easy to drive with MSR7 being a tad more sensitive and louder than SRH1540 at the same volume setting. For whatever reason, despite being extremely resolving and clear, I don't feel that MSR7 scales nearly as well as SRH1540 does with better amps and DACs... Even though MSR7 seems highly resolving, I think that this is at least partially the result of its forward, aggressive presentation. SRH1540 is far more distant and laid back and so it may not seem as resolving on brief listen. However, I think that careful listening reveals SRH1540 to be perhaps even clearer and more resolving. At least, the mids definitely sound more textured and articulate on the Shures vs. MSR7 to my ears...

Those who like their music fast, forward and exciting may prefer MSR7 sound greatly. Those who like a smoother, a more relaxed approach may greatly prefer SRH1540. Personally, I think SRH1540 a has higher sound quality overall, but doesn't impress as much as MSR7 on first listen. MSR7 is a great headphone to bring to headphone meets to impress people. lol

Also, keep in mind that neither of these two headphones is a great option for those seeking a neutral tonal balance, as both deviate from neutrality by a good margin. MSR7 is too forward in the upper mids, while SRH1540 is too emphasized in the sub bass... For a more even tonal balance, I would look into NAD Viso HP50 and Focal Spirit Classic and Professional. Oppo PM-3 also seems like a good option for a neutral tonality.


These are great comparisons, thank you.

I currently have an MSR7B set that I use balanced with an M11 Pro and really enjoy them.

However I've recently come under the spell of the HD600 + Little Dot Mk III combo and am blown away by the sound quality (also using my M11P, in line-out mode).

The HD600 and LDIII is my absolute favourite setup, but I need a closed set for late night, in-bed listening. So far the MSR7B are great for this, but I’m wondering if the 1540 might give me something a little closer to the HD600 + LDIII sound I’ve fallen so in love with (ie. warmer overall signature, better bass, bigger soundstage, more natural sound in general). At times the icy sheen of the upper treble stands out to me on the MSR7B on certain tracks, compared to the HD600s, and they just sound more congested, with less realistic detail, in general. Wondering if the 1540 would improve in those areas, too.

For now, the 1540 would be powered by just the M11P, and maybe down the road I’d get an LD1+ for it, or something.

But, I also wonder if the 1540 would be more of sideways move, and not a big improvement from the MSR7B. Like maybe the price difference is more indicative of build quality/materials, accessories, etc, and less because of an improvement in sound quality...

Thanks for any help you can provide! :)
 
Dec 18, 2020 at 9:54 AM Post #2,733 of 2,808
The earbuds from my MSR7 are peeling and need to be replaced.

Which pads should I buy? Stock, Dakoni or Yaxi? What are the experiences here? Maybe someone might share the experiences with me briefly so I don't have to search 183 pages for the information.
 
Dec 18, 2020 at 10:17 AM Post #2,734 of 2,808
The earbuds from my MSR7 are peeling and need to be replaced.

Which pads should I buy? Stock, Dakoni or Yaxi? What are the experiences here? Maybe someone might share the experiences with me briefly so I don't have to search 183 pages for the information.
With stock you know what you're getting. Is the treble a problem for you? if you're versed in using EQ you can replicate the correction that is made for this headphone on DIY Audio Heaven based on those measurements. -5db centered around the treble peak and this headphone really sings IMO
 
Jan 1, 2021 at 9:45 AM Post #2,735 of 2,808
Happy new years guys! (2021)

Well I had these a set of dekoni sheepskin pads, some damplifier pro and some hypafix bandage just laying around, its been about 2 years I had it laying around

I still need to go pick up some fiberglass rings to put behind the pads, and some polyfill and a new headband

Removing the cotton rings brought bass into the msr7, but not sure if the damplifier/dynamat or the bandages or the sheepskin pads itself took some treble away.. Honestly not sure if I installed it right so I included some pics so someone can call me out

The MSR7 from what I remembered had great bright treble, a bit too bright now it feels a bit unbalanced and bass heavy.. Still glad to have done it, the reason I lagged it so much was I didn't really use them much for music anymore, and the pads were getting too hot, but now its winter and the sheepskin is very comfy

Also thanks to @tolis626 and ModiHiFi if you're still around heh I remember you helped me quite a bit
and uh good to see the msr7 is still kicking

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Jan 6, 2021 at 5:33 AM Post #2,736 of 2,808
Hi guys!

I made an account just to comment here, so here we go.

Maybe first some background. So I've had the MSR7s for about 5 or 6 six years now, pretty much since they were released. My present pair is actually my third, because the first two pairs had issues and I was sent a new pair each time. Overall I have had mixed feelings about this headphone ever since I got them. Overall I really liked the clarity for a closed-back pair, but like most people who complain about the MSR7s, I always found the bass to be a bit lacking in intensity, and most importantly, the treble on vocal sssss's often destroyed my ears. However, I decided to keep them and perhaps upgrade my portable gear (for now, I only use them portable). I also always used them with some kind of equalizer enabled, otherwise they hurt too much.

When they came out, I bought the Fiio X1 and later the Fiio M6 just to test if this would solve the issues. It didn't. So I went back to my equalized smartphone, which of course is far from the best set-up, and decided to buy a new pair of headphones. They MSR7 in the end wasn't for me. If an entry-level DAP didn't do it for me, I highly doubted a more expensive player would work. In the meantime I auditioned a lot of closed-back headphones, but there was always something bothering me, especially when I looked a the price tag of some of those cans. More importantly, when I went back to my MSR7 I noticed that they were actually really really good in some aspects compared to newly released models. But that treble.

Then, a few weeks ago, I decided to read some posts on the MSR7 on this forum, and came across the posts of @tolis626 . He/she apparently did some mods, after which the MSR7 would have more quality bass, less piercing treble, and the same lovely clarity. So I thought, why not?

I took the srewdriver, like @Gabzor above, and removed the felt ring. I put it back together and... oh yes, suddenly it had bass. Like, lots of it. Crazy. Treble however was more or less the same, like Gabzor says above. Overall, it was a pleasent outcome, but I still needed to tone done treble with an equalizer. Then I decided to buy the sheepskin and pleather HM5 pads, like tolis626 recommended (I haven't received them yet).

However, I recently revisited some posts about the modding, and I started to doubt if I in fact removed the wrong felt ring. As seen on the photo's in the post of tolis626, there's a large circular, donut-shaped felt ring, but also a small round felt ring that covers a small hole. After re-reading, it appears that the latter is the one that tolis626 means, and not the large donut-like felt ring (99% sure). Needless to say, I had removed the wrong ring, ie the donut.

So I took the srewdriver again, removed the smal round felt ring and... smoother treble! I was stunned that it worked. Bass actually didn't change (not enough to hear it on a first listen) and was still high in quality and quantity. But suddenly the treble was much nicer on the ear, and any harshness in no doubt originates from the fact that I'm mostly streaming Spotify and Tidal through a smartphone. Regardless of the low-end set-up, the difference was quite remarkable.

Now I'm awaiting the arrival of the HM5 pads, which would make a perfect match with the MSR7 according to tolis626. When they arrive, I'll post my experiences here. One thing I wonder is if it would make any difference that in my pair of MSR7, both felt-like rings are removed. Maybe I'll put the donut back someday just to test this.

In the end I am really happy with the improvements caused by the mods. I really feel like they allow the MSR7s to reach their full potential. I must say, they sound absolutely awesome now, even from a smartphone. After the HM5 pads arrive, I will definitely look into DAP upgrades or amplifiers, since I just know that they can improve even more. Much more.

Well, I guess that's it. Thanks for reading and happy listening!
 
Jan 24, 2021 at 2:32 PM Post #2,738 of 2,808
Hello guys, im done with iem , so im looking for headphones . I have Ath 40x like for 3 years now, listening at home , because is lack outside noise, but very enjoiable . So , MSRB will suit for me? Source is an M11 Pro .

You won't know it until you try the headphones for yourself, and they benefit from the good source and decent amplification.

It also depends on what sound signature you are used to.

To me, they are one of the best headphones around, they punch well beyond their segment.
I have owned them for quite some time.
Unfortunately, I do not use them with the M11 Pro or any of the modern DAPs similar to yours, my sources are not extraordinary.
The home setup in which I use (to my great pleasure) the ATH-MSR7 is rather old and peculiar, but works extremely well.

The half-mobile setup is MacBook pro as a source, often together with the AudioEngine D3 DAC/Amp. If used with the Iphone SE, then preferably via the Dragonfly Red.
I use them mostly at home nowadays, and they are, to me, great indeed, without any mods whatsoever.
 
Jan 24, 2021 at 3:14 PM Post #2,740 of 2,808
Due to pandemic time , its not posiblle to try Iem or headphone. So , im torn in 2 headphones to choose , MSR7B or Sennheiser Momentum 3.Its not for critical listening , im just here to enjoy my music on the go , or home.

I have not heard the Momentum 3;

What I can tell you with certainty is this:

I could not stress more the importance of demoing the headphones in order to ascertain what sound signature suits your ears best.
Demoing can be done without going to the store, in some countries.
I really do not know what your situation is in that regard, but I do think you are kind of fooling yourself a good deal when expecting to get a certain (read - bulletproof) assessment from others experiences and descriptions.

Any recommendation from anyone is a shot in the dark, in that context.

Any descriptions with words are indeed subjective, and what someone experiences with the same headphone might differ, and that a lot, from what you might experience and hear, even when using the exactly same source or audio chain.
 
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Jan 25, 2021 at 11:09 PM Post #2,742 of 2,808
I am considering of getting them.

How does it compare to DT 770 (80 ohm) in terms of sound quality, sound isolation and leakage? Is it a good option for studio/sound production for a closed headphone under 200bucks?

DT-770 might have been a great can, they have great clarity, but:

- somewhat recessed mids, according to my experience and many reviews and comments.
- typical Beyer highs, you have to listen and experience it, but there a written testimonies about the subject all over the place.
- the deal breaker for me was the bass, which at times, depending on the track (not that seldom) could easily be overpowering.

Beyers might fit the bill, perhaps DT880, then again...

Other people will tell you some other things.... for me, the MSR7 do hit a sweet spot in many regards, and I have chosen them after testing the DT770 (albeit 32Ω and short demo of the 80Ω which i liked, but with velour pads, and short demo of the iphone, which could not power them to the full, or satisfactory levels, as I felt at that short occasion).

For a studio or sound production... I don't know... keep in mind that MSR7 is 35Ω impedance can, so not really optimised in that regard for high-power studio equipment and amps.
It might depend a bit on the equipment used.

Some people have also said that the mids in MSR7 are "lifted", some other that they have rather balanced sound signature... so there you go..
I certainly am happy for choosing them and enjoy them a lot.

But.. read review and wait for some others to perhaps chime in with the opinions.
 
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