Audeze LCD-4

May 12, 2016 at 6:27 AM Post #3,752 of 12,472
  Wow, that's great!
Dreaming about a GSX MK2 myself.
Please leave some impressions after you listen to this awesome combo (some comparisons will be nice as well)

Of course I will. :)
 
But I think this thread already have people who enjoying their LCD4-GSX combo. XD
 
May 12, 2016 at 7:08 AM Post #3,753 of 12,472
HAHA I know right. But already confirmed with Justin that he is able to ship out the unit in 3 weeks. Which is totally awesome for me. :P

I confirm the delay given by Justin. Lucky man @archeryc.
Now take care of the DAC which will feed this lovely combo GSX-mk2 LCD4 (better if symetrized to take profit of the doubled power of the XLR outputs).
 
May 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM Post #3,754 of 12,472
I confirm the delay given by Justin. Lucky man @archeryc.
Now take care of the DAC which will feed this lovely combo GSX-mk2 LCD4 (better if symetrized to take profit of the doubled power of the XLR outputs).

I'm using Antelope's Zodiac Platinum for the DAC, which is one of the best DAC in the market :)
 
May 12, 2016 at 10:42 AM Post #3,756 of 12,472
  I'm using Antelope's Zodiac Platinum for the DAC, which is one of the best DAC in the market :)


Yes, actually there are 100 best DACs on the market. The one which makes the sound you like  
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May 14, 2016 at 7:06 AM Post #3,757 of 12,472
My (bit late) impressions on the LCD4 (the billionth impression)
 
I am pretty new to the headfi world just having recently started out with a Grados PS500 and later moved to Fostex TH900 with WA5LE and Takatsukis with DHC and also own a pair of used HE1000s. Just listened to my first every LCD4s today. Entire experience was really sublime and made me really think about what I want out of my headphones and actually made me appreciate what I had even more.
To begin with LCD4s are amazing, they are crisp, transparent and clear, posses a neutral dense tone which I would not describe as rich or overly musical (maybe source related) and excellent extension bothways. Best headphones Ive heard in midrange, pretty great in bass but I felt only average, maybe a bit lacking in treble. Good Attack and decay. Imaging was spot on but not holographic (maybe source related). Layered but slightly plain still - as they were deficient in texture especially in the treble and much more neutral than LCD3s in the midrange and Bass. Overall I feel the cans rendered music exactly the way it was intended and hence for me represented true Reference headphones and I could hear things I have never heard, but somehow, in the end fell just short of achieving mental zen - the space of bliss where nothing else matters anymore. For me, LCD4 was a letdown in two areas (personal preference from here on):
 
1. Treble - Most significantly, (for me), it was not layered, just basic. Absolutely lifelike but not crisp or sparkly like my 1st headphones ever, the Silverdragon modded Fostex TH900 which albeit a bit unnatural due to the silvery-ness in the voice. However it was that sparkly silky smooth nature with a resonant quality which made the headphones surreal. Never considered myself a treble head but I felt Audeze did not handle treble well.
2. ??Character?? - Initial thoughts were that I kind of missed the gritty darkness that first made Audeze stick to mey head as an engaging sound, different from anything else I had heard. LCD4s are very clear but also very neutral and so I had to ask myself what is the character I am paying 6500AUD for? To illustrate, say in comparison to art I dont want to pay big bucks and get something which is a realistic artwork which captures everything as is; but I want to get something with an interesting interpretation of reality like Picaso. Personally, if reference grade neutral audio is all what I am paying for then I consider the Laylas with AK380 came very close to what LCD4 has to offer(calm down everyone who sees this who feels they have to react). In many ways, LCD4s were similar to how I felt about my first Dali loudpseakers as well where I was excited because they gave me a recreated sound exactly the way it should've been, but in time I realized that exact representation is what made it boring even though it was technically very good. Same thing with these headphones - I miss the character that I first heard on LCD3s. With other headphones clarity and imaging is just a starting point, I want to see something extra. For example, with Fostex I like the silvery treble and the resonant tone in the soundstage and the pure bass sometimes || with the HE1000 I look forward to hearing the same thing but in a different manner in terms of huge soundstage, complex layering though it is less transparent and crisp and laidback. This is the biggest flaw in the LCD4s especially given the price. I constantly felt a bit underwhelmed.
3. To me personally a big airy soundstage is what I look for in headphones, not congested by anymeans in the LCD4 which went was able to follow the music very well but paying top dollar should get me more given that that is what I am used to in the Fostex and Hifimans.
 
In the end, LCD4s do most things well without doing any one thing that is its own unique character. In my experience, If the character is absent and LCD4 is aiming to be really good everywhere, then considering their cost , they should do everything well including treble and soundstage - where they are average and underdelivering if considering the cost. Maybe it was a source thing (Schiit Ragnarok with Cardas clear) and can be boosted by other gear.
 
Aside: Laylas - These are IEMs but amazing ones. I consider them to be quite close to the overall impression of the LCDs, offcourse they wont match in terms of soundstange though I am constantly surprised by what they accomplish given they are IEMs and the surprise alone is worth some points. In fact not considering this aspect, the Laylas actually excelled in intimacy & energy and gave me the impression i was right on top of the music where in the LCD4's i was front stage and Hifimans I was further back. Overall front stage is a very boring place to be in because with the Laylas, whilst being "on top" I could identify patterns which I could not with the Audeze even though it was tonally accurate and went wherever the music wanted it to go and compared with the Hifimans that were almost a bit distant, I could visualize the entire stage, which, again contrasted with LCD4s I was in the middle and was always bit "yes thats good but these are 6K headphones, so what?". What is unique about them? Maybe something is to be said for the synergy that will obviously exist between AK240 and Laylas and maybe that something that couldve been improved today with the LCD4s listening session.
 
So a great buy at 3000AUD, maybe till 4000AUD. Way too much at 6500AUD because it is not the best (and a bit lacking even) in every department. I was prepared to get a pair today, in fact I will probably get one as it IS, no doubt, a magnificent headphone, but will probably wait till its cheaper because it is not a earth shattering type of headphone at an earthshattering price.
 
May 14, 2016 at 7:54 AM Post #3,758 of 12,472
  My (bit late) impressions on the LCD4 (the billionth impression)
 
I am pretty new to the headfi world just having recently started out with a Grados PS500 and later moved to Fostex TH900 with WA5LE and Takatsukis with DHC and also own a pair of used HE1000s. Just listened to my first every LCD4s today. Entire experience was really sublime and made me really think about what I want out of my headphones and actually made me appreciate what I had even more.
To begin with LCD4s are amazing, they are crisp, transparent and clear, posses a neutral dense tone which I would not describe as rich or overly musical (maybe source related) and excellent extension bothways. Best headphones Ive heard in midrange, pretty great in bass but I felt only average, maybe a bit lacking in treble. Good Attack and decay. Imaging was spot on but not holographic (maybe source related). Layered but slightly plain still - as they were deficient in texture especially in the treble and much more neutral than LCD3s in the midrange and Bass. Overall I feel the cans rendered music exactly the way it was intended and hence for me represented true Reference headphones and I could hear things I have never heard, but somehow, in the end fell just short of achieving mental zen - the space of bliss where nothing else matters anymore. For me, LCD4 was a letdown in two areas (personal preference from here on):
 
1. Treble - Most significantly, (for me), it was not layered, just basic. Absolutely lifelike but not crisp or sparkly like my 1st headphones ever, the Silverdragon modded Fostex TH900 which albeit a bit unnatural due to the silvery-ness in the voice. However it was that sparkly silky smooth nature with a resonant quality which made the headphones surreal. Never considered myself a treble head but I felt Audeze did not handle treble well.
2. ??Character?? - Initial thoughts were that I kind of missed the gritty darkness that first made Audeze stick to mey head as an engaging sound, different from anything else I had heard. LCD4s are very clear but also very neutral and so I had to ask myself what is the character I am paying 6500AUD for? To illustrate, say in comparison to art I dont want to pay big bucks and get something which is a realistic artwork which captures everything as is; but I want to get something with an interesting interpretation of reality like Picaso. Personally, if reference grade neutral audio is all what I am paying for then I consider the Laylas with AK380 came very close to what LCD4 has to offer(calm down everyone who sees this who feels they have to react). In many ways, LCD4s were similar to how I felt about my first Dali loudpseakers as well where I was excited because they gave me a recreated sound exactly the way it should've been, but in time I realized that exact representation is what made it boring even though it was technically very good. Same thing with these headphones - I miss the character that I first heard on LCD3s. With other headphones clarity and imaging is just a starting point, I want to see something extra. For example, with Fostex I like the silvery treble and the resonant tone in the soundstage and the pure bass sometimes || with the HE1000 I look forward to hearing the same thing but in a different manner in terms of huge soundstage, complex layering though it is less transparent and crisp and laidback. This is the biggest flaw in the LCD4s especially given the price. I constantly felt a bit underwhelmed.
3. To me personally a big airy soundstage is what I look for in headphones, not congested by anymeans in the LCD4 which went was able to follow the music very well but paying top dollar should get me more given that that is what I am used to in the Fostex and Hifimans.
 
In the end, LCD4s do most things well without doing any one thing that is its own unique character. In my experience, If the character is absent and LCD4 is aiming to be really good everywhere, then considering their cost , they should do everything well including treble and soundstage - where they are average and underdelivering if considering the cost. Maybe it was a source thing (Schiit Ragnarok with Cardas clear) and can be boosted by other gear.
 
Aside: Laylas - These are IEMs but amazing ones. I consider them to be quite close to the overall impression of the LCDs, offcourse they wont match in terms of soundstange though I am constantly surprised by what they accomplish given they are IEMs and the surprise alone is worth some points. In fact not considering this aspect, the Laylas actually excelled in intimacy & energy and gave me the impression i was right on top of the music where in the LCD4's i was front stage and Hifimans I was further back. Overall front stage is a very boring place to be in because with the Laylas, whilst being "on top" I could identify patterns which I could not with the Audeze even though it was tonally accurate and went wherever the music wanted it to go and compared with the Hifimans that were almost a bit distant, I could visualize the entire stage, which, again contrasted with LCD4s I was in the middle and was always bit "yes thats good but these are 6K headphones, so what?". What is unique about them? Maybe something is to be said for the synergy that will obviously exist between AK240 and Laylas and maybe that something that couldve been improved today with the LCD4s listening session.
 
So a great buy at 3000AUD, maybe till 4000AUD. Way too much at 6500AUD because it is not the best (and a bit lacking even) in every department. I was prepared to get a pair today, in fact I will probably get one as it IS, no doubt, a magnificent headphone, but will probably wait till its cheaper because it is not a earth shattering type of headphone at an earthshattering price.


Nice impressions; were you at the Sydney store? The LCD-4 there has some issues with the diaphragm crinkling and it is the outdated 100 Ohms version.
 
May 14, 2016 at 8:08 AM Post #3,760 of 12,472
My (bit late) impressions on the LCD4 (the billionth impression)

I am pretty new to the headfi world just having recently started out with a Grados PS500 and later moved to Fostex TH900 with WA5LE and Takatsukis with DHC and also own a pair of used HE1000s. Just listened to my first every LCD4s today. Entire experience was really sublime and made me really think about what I want out of my headphones and actually made me appreciate what I had even more.
To begin with LCD4s are amazing, they are crisp, transparent and clear, posses a neutral dense tone which I would not describe as rich or overly musical (maybe source related) and excellent extension bothways. Best headphones Ive heard in midrange, pretty great in bass but I felt only average, maybe a bit lacking in treble. Good Attack and decay. Imaging was spot on but not holographic (maybe source related). Layered but slightly plain still - as they were deficient in texture especially in the treble and much more neutral than LCD3s in the midrange and Bass. Overall I feel the cans rendered music exactly the way it was intended and hence for me represented true Reference headphones and I could hear things I have never heard, but somehow, in the end fell just short of achieving mental zen - the space of bliss where nothing else matters anymore. For me, LCD4 was a letdown in two areas (personal preference from here on):

1. Treble - Most significantly, (for me), it was not layered, just basic. Absolutely lifelike but not crisp or sparkly like my 1st headphones ever, the Silverdragon modded Fostex TH900 which albeit a bit unnatural due to the silvery-ness in the voice. However it was that sparkly silky smooth nature with a resonant quality which made the headphones surreal. Never considered myself a treble head but I felt Audeze did not handle treble well.
2. ??Character?? - Initial thoughts were that I kind of missed the gritty darkness that first made Audeze stick to mey head as an engaging sound, different from anything else I had heard. LCD4s are very clear but also very neutral and so I had to ask myself what is the character I am paying 6500AUD for? To illustrate, say in comparison to art I dont want to pay big bucks and get something which is a realistic artwork which captures everything as is; but I want to get something with an interesting interpretation of reality like Picaso. Personally, if reference grade neutral audio is all what I am paying for then I consider the Laylas with AK380 came very close to what LCD4 has to offer(calm down everyone who sees this who feels they have to react). In many ways, LCD4s were similar to how I felt about my first Dali loudpseakers as well where I was excited because they gave me a recreated sound exactly the way it should've been, but in time I realized that exact representation is what made it boring even though it was technically very good. Same thing with these headphones - I miss the character that I first heard on LCD3s. With other headphones clarity and imaging is just a starting point, I want to see something extra. For example, with Fostex I like the silvery treble and the resonant tone in the soundstage and the pure bass sometimes || with the HE1000 I look forward to hearing the same thing but in a different manner in terms of huge soundstage, complex layering though it is less transparent and crisp and laidback. This is the biggest flaw in the LCD4s especially given the price. I constantly felt a bit underwhelmed.
3. To me personally a big airy soundstage is what I look for in headphones, not congested by anymeans in the LCD4 which went was able to follow the music very well but paying top dollar should get me more given that that is what I am used to in the Fostex and Hifimans.

In the end, LCD4s do most things well without doing any one thing that is its own unique character. In my experience, If the character is absent and LCD4 is aiming to be really good everywhere, then considering their cost , they should do everything well including treble and soundstage - where they are average and underdelivering if considering the cost. Maybe it was a source thing (Schiit Ragnarok with Cardas clear) and can be boosted by other gear.

Aside: Laylas - These are IEMs but amazing ones. I consider them to be quite close to the overall impression of the LCDs, offcourse they wont match in terms of soundstange though I am constantly surprised by what they accomplish given they are IEMs and the surprise alone is worth some points. In fact not considering this aspect, the Laylas actually excelled in intimacy & energy and gave me the impression i was right on top of the music where in the LCD4's i was front stage and Hifimans I was further back. Overall front stage is a very boring place to be in because with the Laylas, whilst being "on top" I could identify patterns which I could not with the Audeze even though it was tonally accurate and went wherever the music wanted it to go and compared with the Hifimans that were almost a bit distant, I could visualize the entire stage, which, again contrasted with LCD4s I was in the middle and was always bit "yes thats good but these are 6K headphones, so what?". What is unique about them? Maybe something is to be said for the synergy that will obviously exist between AK240 and Laylas and maybe that something that couldve been improved today with the LCD4s listening session.

So a great buy at 3000AUD, maybe till 4000AUD. Way too much at 6500AUD because it is not the best (and a bit lacking even) in every department. I was prepared to get a pair today, in fact I will probably get one as it IS, no doubt, a magnificent headphone, but will probably wait till its cheaper because it is not a earth shattering type of headphone at an earthshattering price.


I bought mine from A2A for 5500AUD. Not too bad imo.

May i ask what amp you are using? Im also using TH900 and i have to say it is not recommend to use tube amp for LCD4. I tried LCD4 with GSX mk2 V281 and Taurus mk2 before, i also using DHC Silver Complement 4 for my LCD4, it's one of the best can i ever heard. LCD4 prefers some bright amp to light up its treble. Not because LCD4's treble is bad, it's because it's dark, like the LCD3, the treble is very detail but the dark sound signature make it sound like lack of details and roll off on treble. Pair it with tube amps make it worse as many tube amps represent smooth treble and warm sounding make this problem worse. No exception for WE5.

The th900 is a bass heavy and treble forward headphone, more like V shape sound signature. I'm not really enjoying the vocal of th900 (vocal solo it's fine, but some of the songs instructments might cover the performance the vocal, a bit annoying). LCD4 is a very good complement with the th900, beautiful midrange, vocal and great over all presentation when listening to symphony. (Soundstage not as big as HD800 tho even pair with the right amp).

The Layla, i actually have different opinion than you, i heard the Layla in canjam 2015 and i was very disppointed, i prefer the Noble K10 over the layla, a lot. Not to mention compare it with the some of the flagship full size cans.
 
May 14, 2016 at 8:13 AM Post #3,761 of 12,472
Yup I was. I couldnt hear much distortion. What sort of differences can be expected from changing the resistance?


People says the sydney demo unit has problem (its the old 100ohm version i think). Try the LCD4 in Melbourne store i think, they have more amp options available to demo. I prefer the treble presentation of my TH900 than the LCD4, but with GSX mk2 everything seems just right for the LCD4. Ordered 1 immediately and I'm still waiting for Justin to post my GSX :P
 
May 14, 2016 at 12:45 PM Post #3,763 of 12,472
I bought mine from A2A for 5500AUD. Not too bad imo.

May i ask what amp you are using? Im also using TH900 and i have to say it is not recommend to use tube amp for LCD4. I tried LCD4 with GSX mk2 V281 and Taurus mk2 before, i also using DHC Silver Complement 4 for my LCD4, it's one of the best can i ever heard. LCD4 prefers some bright amp to light up its treble. Not because LCD4's treble is bad, it's because it's dark, like the LCD3, the treble is very detail but the dark sound signature make it sound like lack of details and roll off on treble. Pair it with tube amps make it worse as many tube amps represent smooth treble and warm sounding make this problem worse. No exception for WE5.

The th900 is a bass heavy and treble forward headphone, more like V shape sound signature. I'm not really enjoying the vocal of th900 (vocal solo it's fine, but some of the songs instructments might cover the performance the vocal, a bit annoying). LCD4 is a very good complement with the th900, beautiful midrange, vocal and great over all presentation when listening to symphony. (Soundstage not as big as HD800 tho even pair with the right amp).

The Layla, i actually have different opinion than you, i heard the Layla in canjam 2015 and i was very disppointed, i prefer the Noble K10 over the layla, a lot. Not to mention compare it with the some of the flagship full size cans.


Yea to be honest I thought the nature of the Ragnarok was not playing well in the treble department as it was a very hard hitting tube-y sound which I make note of in my impressions. I really only prefer the Takatsukis with DHC Complement 4 (hate to sound wanker-y but the sound with this combination is ridiculously 3 dimensional, non tubey, delicious in the mids, open and airy at the same time, not something i can expect other tube amps or even SS to match easily, good that the ragnarok is) and since A2A in Sydney is really quite limited in terms of amps I wasn't able to match it with the Moon Audio Amp as it was not free and the only SS one that caught my eye there. Maybe ill go back and have another listen with a proper SS amp. I was half tossing asking the guys to let me audition it with my setup but I don't think they offer getting headphones on a trial basis like some places do in the states. So I will never know until the price drops OR they have a takatsuki run WA5 in store I can audition it on. 5500AUD is a great price to pay IMO, 6300 or so that they have it on is too much.
 
I have similar experience about TH900 V shape, was actually trying to sell it but then I paired it with a WA5 with takatsukis and a DHC complement 4 feeding into a silver dragon cable via a DHC adaptor - and until i happened to get the cabling right I would not be able to listen to it due to the V shape. DHC opens it up bringing up the mid range so it is still V Shaped but not as obvious and the DHC also makes the treble less harsh - combine with Silver dragons which add energy and excitement and step it up by making everything including the treble shine but what sets it apart is the echos i feel that are going on in the chamber making me feel I don't even have a pair of headphones on but it is obviously not as refined. I haven't tested Layla against K10 but what I mean is that unbelievable that an IEM can come close to sounding like a full set of cans. To me Layla does sound similar to LCD4s in terms of neutrality and extension both ways and that I can see patterns in the music I could not palpate even in the HE1000 just due to it being very close to the music.
 
May 14, 2016 at 12:52 PM Post #3,764 of 12,472
 
I'm not exactly sure but reliability is definitely one.
I tested that LCD-4 and the diaphragm crinkled as you put it on and had difficulty going down low. I think I saw you today at the store - was it you listening to the WA8?

Hey there, are you in Sydney too?
 
I was there around 3:30 onwards, was always on the ragnarok and LCD4. I really do miss Billy, he shows you stuff you will actually like, based on your preferences. I wouldn't have gotten a WA5 if i hadnt heard them with takatsukis which he recommended.
 
Btw to everyone out there I do highly recommend pairing a DHC cable with a Silver dragon cable. A combo I happened to run into which is out of the world and I don't feel like I will ever change it, great synergy in the combo I feel. Definitely a bit crazy, DHC opens up the sound and Silver dragons add energy. Worked with LCD4 in terms of taming the treble and bringing up the mids and with Hifiman HE1000 by speeding up its laid back character a bit.
 
May 14, 2016 at 2:53 PM Post #3,765 of 12,472
Question for those who know more than me out there ...and that most lol....I was using the Yiggy/Rago combo with my LCD-4 and with them  i was using the included XLR cable to connect the 2 and never thought about it much....i replaced my Rag with the moon 430 and simply used the same XLR cable and again didnt think much of it.....a couple of days ago I decided to replace the XLR cable with Bettercables XLR cable and when I connected everything up and gave it a listen i was actually shocked....the volume on the exact same settings is dramatically higher...in other words listening at 48 on the Moon 430 with the new cables is literally like listening at 55 with the old cables....i have never experienced such a dramatic difference in any sense with changes in cables and am wondering why this would be the case....Any thoughts would be appreciated...as i said i was and am shocked
 

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