Any Dynalo Rev C PCB's left?

[diablo9]

right, how the organizer could know how much should he buy from the manufacturer BEFORE he ask around? but to ask around, he has to setup a group buy thread, which is against group buy policy. this is strange...

 

[rickcr42]

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I would go a bit further and say that this could apply to just about any group buy item.

any product that has a decreasing price as the quantity goes up has "set" increment at a predetermined figue for each stage of savings.
So if there is a reduction for 10 of over the cost of 1 of you do not get the 100 of price for 99 but must actually order 100 to get that cost savings of level three.
Not having a true "group buy" means somone is starting out at the 10 per or 100 per savings but by ordering many more,the next step up the ladder or maybe even two steps,is no longer at the 10 per savings which the initial per member cost is based on but is in fact making more on a per purchase basis.

This does not have to be a huge difference to make a profit but say even $2 on a member purchse of 500 boards and someone is making $1000 above the initial cost and that means profit.
The intent AND spirit of the group buy was never for a select few to make loot at the expense of others even if those others are saving over what they would pay if just a one shot one time one unit purchase.Yes the members benefit but all the while someone is setting up a business and using the DIY forum as a free advert to set up a side line for disposable income totally under the radar of any state or fedral taxes and/or paying back to headfi for the priveledge.

So what to do ? Propose a plan to the mods showing what you are attempting to do and what the per unit cost would be at each step up the incremental price ladder .allow for perceived repack/shipping costs then once OKed put it out for member involvement.
Not a full time personal web page that has open ended perpetual sales but a "one shot" group buy as always has been and always will be the meaning of the word.Once you put the "ME" in group it becomes another thing entirely.

the rules have always been clear on this and the only reason for the "glitch" is some just do not want to follow the rules as they are and always have been clearly stated.

Group buys=good thing,all involved benefit
Personal Profit=mall ad (and a damn bargain at that ) and both also benefit but at least you know what is what

 

[dgardner]

So what this means is that if any small and ongoing profits from the generous efforts of an individual get realized, head-fi should get their cut. www.head-fi.org is a for profit business afterall.

 

[rickcr42]

Headwize is non profit and has regular outtages.Headfi is member supported and is full bore 24/7.

you don't have to agree or like it but until bandwidth is free someone gotta pay for it.The monthly expenses have been posted many times and what was never posted is jude came out of pocket for the first two years of headfi and i doubt if he has ever recouped what he spent or ever will

 

[Edwood]

I've talked to Jude. I think many people are overreacting about the Group Buy issue.

But it doesn't help that it has been Months since there has been any updates and/or explanation. Rick's recent posts here are the only ones I've seen AFAIK.
I have been reminding Jude when I can to have the Group Buy policy updated. The man is very busy and can forget about these things.

It really is not that complicated.

Contact Jude about a group buy. Keep him updated with the details.

If the group buy gets large, and someone wants to make a small profit for their time, there is no problem in that. Just get a Mall-fi ad going. C'mon, it can be bought for $20. With a huge group buy with say 200 PCB's, this is merely 10 cents added per board.

In fact, if the group buy is organized by someone that is a Member of the Trade, it may be even better, as they would have better experience with packing and shipping, and wrangling the payments.

Group buy's are no small affair, just ask anyone that has organized one.

But I will say again:

Please Post a Sticky Update about the Group Buy Policy along with an FAQ.

There is simply too much incorrect gossip flying around based on lack of knowledge.

-Ed

 

[rickcr42]

But it doesn't help that it has been Months since there has been any updates and/or explanation. Rick's recent posts here are the only ones I've seen AFAIK.
I have been reminding Jude when I can to have the Group Buy policy updated. The man is very busy and can forget about these things.


A lot of that has to do with me being gone for a large amount of the summer for various reasons but here I am now and ready to work on it with any who are serious about playing fair.
This is not rocket science guys and we ALL know what a group buy is but for those who never took the time to read the rules for whatever reasons ,rules unchanged since January 2004,here is a reminder :

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1-ITEMS FOR SALE : This forum is meant to be a place to share information pertaining to the building and modification of headphone related audio equipment and is NOT a buy and/or sell forum . There are other places for this (Mall Fi,for Sale forum) and any postings other than for a legitimate group buy of parts with the intention of saving the members some money , or in those instances where a company does not sell parts in small quantities will not be tolerated ! It is not fair to the members that obey the rules and pay a fee to sell their wares to have some knucklhead come along and make a profit at their expense

I really do not know how I could possibly made it plainer or more simple so can only think anyone not understanding does not want to for their own reasons and those reasons that they want to go outside the rules so ignoring them the easy path.
The fact that the Ultra-Clear Message needs Clarifying has always baffled me personally.My take is the rules as stated are fine and always have been needing no futher expansion until the DIY forum got out of hand and turned more into the Head-fi Market place than anything resembling DIY with the emphasis on the "Y".
Look around at any other audio DIY related website and you will find either rules on how to go about selling,rules on how to do a group buy or rules stating "selling anything will not be allowed,links to your products will not be allowed.break the rules and you are gone" but yet here we should for wide open sales of anything and not have a say ?

we ALL know what is and is not a true group buy and if you have a valid plan bounce it the mods.Lay out your supplier,we are not idiots and can check prices for each incremental stage of amounts.We also realise there will be shipping and repacking fees but try to sell the members the per 100 rate while you yourself are getting the per 1,000 rate and we will have issues.
Set up a permant sales page and we will have a talk on your looming mall ad or vacation from headfi.I am willing to personally work with anyone that wants to do a straight out group buy that beneits ALL involved as is and always was the true intention.
This needs to be a two way street and any agreement has to begin with honest intent right from the start or it is doomed to fail and the honest will be the ones to suffer when this remains in limbo for another 6 months.


Nothing personal and not directed at any individual(s) but it is time to move forward and play straight on all sides and get this done so ALL can benefit on the savings

 

[rickcr42]

BTW-this is kinda straying off topic on one hand while information valuable to others who may not read this thread so lost to them.I am considering splitting off the "group buy" part of the dialog and making it a new thread and maybe even a sticky for continueing the discussion....

Rickster

 

[n_maher]

Rick,

I think a sticky to allow some open discussion and to let people ask questions about Group Buys would be a great idea.

Nate

 

[rickcr42]

Done

Rather than weed through previous posts and split/add/combine I started a fresh slate for the discussion to follow.There ARE ground rules and i will enforce them but anything valid will get a response by me personally when i am able.

That means folks i do have a life and may not be online every minute to respond but i WILL respond in due time.

Rickster

 

[dgardner]

Another thread supporting construction questions on the Dynalo Rev C project is here.

 

[rickcr42]