[dreamyplanets]

My english is not very good,
So all of the articles I have been using "google" to conversion,(I can only make some changes)
If cause discomfort with you,
please bear with me
attach the bottom with has original (Chinese)
maybe you can use to.
 
I often see people say"The wav from Exact Audio Copy is good than Windows Media Player"
or"The wav from Exact Audio Copy's "Secure mode" is good than "Burst mode".
I always had to use Foobar2000 to convert,
Until read those words...
I try to downloaded Windows Media Player 11 & Exact Audio Copy 0.99 prebeta 5 to convert CD,
And try to compare.
 
I found out the file conversion between sound and no difference,
My equipment is as follows:
Sound board:ONKYO-SE150
Speakers: Creative T20
And my family:
CDP: Marantz CD-16D
AMP: PM-90
Speaker: unknown bookshelf speakers.
I'm curious why many people would say that the sound difference,
Just "read",
And Microsoft is definitely not Dengxianzhibei (and Nero like professional manufacturer),
why EAC will read the different information?
 
After I did some experiments,
I got my satisfaction answer.
But now I do not want to say it,
I want to see all the results and ideas,
Then my thoughts for everyone to see.
 
Now I will use WMP11 & EAC 0.99 prebeta 5
To conversion CD (DECCA 440 855-2)
And compressed in a zip file
There are three files:
1:WMP 11.wav
2:EAC Burst .wav (Brust= =...)
3:EAC Secure.wav
I want to know,
"The three files you have to listen to from the difference?"
I do not think there are differences
If the sounds are different,
Can you explain why the thing?
Here is the location of the file:
EAC&WMP.7z.001:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SLXL540J
http://FileDeck.net/zh-tw/files/DQ6DUL09/EAC_WMP.7z.001
EAC&WMP.7z.002:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4KL0F9Q8
http://FileDeck.net/zh-tw/files/RKMHC102/EAC_WMP.7z.002

original (Chinese)
我常常看到有人說"Windows Media Player轉換出來的WAV檔不如由Exact Audio Copy轉換出來的"
以及" Burst模式轉換出來的WAV檔不如Secure模式"
原本我都是使用Foobar2000來轉換,
看著看著...
我下載了Windows Media Player 11 & Exact Audio Copy 0.99 prebeta 5來轉換CD,
並試著比較.

我發現兩者轉換出來的檔案聲音並沒有不同之處,
我的設備如下:
聲卡:ONKYO-SE150
喇叭:Creative T20
和我家人的:
CDP:Marantz CD-16D
AMPM-90
喇叭:不知名的書架喇叭.
我很好奇為甚麼有許多人會說聲音有差別,
僅僅只是讀取,
而且Microsoft一定不是等閒之輩(以及Nero之類的專業廠商),
怎麼會和EAC讀到不同的資料呢?

之後我做了一些實驗,
我得到了令我滿意的結果,
但是現在我不想說出來,
我想看看大家的結果以及想法,
之後再提出我的想法給大家看看.

現在我將使用WMP11&EAC 0.99 prebeta 5
對這片CD(DECCA 440 855-2)轉換,
並壓縮在壓縮檔,
共有3個檔案:
1:WMP 11.wav
2:EAC Burst .wav (Brust= =...)
3:EAC Secure.wav
我想要知道,
這3個檔案你們聽起是否有差異呢?
我不覺得有差異,
如果聽起來有差異,
能否解釋為什麼嘛?



 

 

[Willakan]

Okay, I think you're asking why you don't hear differences between tracks ripped securely with EAC and other, insecure methods of ripping. The point of EAC is to eliminate potential errors - if your disk is scratched, for example, instead of getting dropouts on the resulting file EAC will try to correct the errors, reading the section of the disk again and again.
 
If your disk is in good condition, it is entirely possible that you get a rip that is completely indistinguishable from an insecure rip. EAC is just for peace of mind - you don't want to rip an entire album, put the CD away and then realise that there is a brief dropout in the middle of Track 3.

 

[Prog Rock Man]

I had fewer problems using itunes to rip albums that EAP.

 

[bigshot]

iTunes has a check box in the preferences that helps verify reads when ripping. I just leave that on because I don't want to have to double check all my rips.

 

[DrDustCell]

朋友你好，我用（我不好的囧）汉语来回答
eac跟wmp转换出来的wav百分百没有不同的
eac就是exact audio copy确切音频复制的意思
正如上面人说，eac的用途只是不失真的抓取任何光碟的音轨
eac会改正这个最重要的错误(wmp不能做的)：光碟划痕，厉害的光碟划痕，特别厉害的光碟划痕哈哈
简单说用eac的话你会放心知道你有完美保真度的wav不顾cd有没有抓
如果你用的cd没有抓，eac比wmp转换出来的档案声音并没有不同的

 

[dreamyplanets]

Sorry...
i forgot my password = =...
 
Thank you for reply,
in the china, (i am from taiwan)
somepeople say they can find difference wiht "WAV"&"FLAC,APE,..."
it's so Inconceivable...
 
忘了密碼且有點怕麻煩(英文不好)
也就是說EAC和WMP沒麼不同了,
謝謝各位提供的解釋.
大陸那邊還有人聽的出WAV和FLAC之類的差異...
實在不可思議...

 

[xnor]

Don't worry, IME it's quite common to see people in audiophile circles which are completely unconvincable or ignorant.
Instead of trying to convince them, ask them to show you evidence that supports their claims. If they cannot show you that... it doesn't make sense to believe in their (absurd) claims.
 
You can take a WAV file, encode it with FLAC, decode it to WAV again and compare it to the original WAV. They will be identical, bit for bit. That's what lossless compression is about.
 
Similarly you can take a PDF and compress it into a ZIP file. Does the original PDF file look better than the unzipped one? =_=

 

[Willakan]

I'll have you know that zipping PDF files significantly reduces the dynamics of the colourspread, whilst significantly reducing font realisation coherence...
But yeah, you can find forums where people believe that putting magical programmable crystals near their CD player makes it sound different (Audio Cable Asylum, Isolation Ward - aptly named) and that audiophile SATA cables are required to correctly transfer audio without degradation. And a certain individual on this forum found the words "Operating System Jitter" in some documentation from IBM, immediately leapt to the wrong conclusion and is now running Linux obsessively modified to reduce something that will have about as much bearing on the sound as the colour of the socks I wore last Tuesday.
 
Don't believe a word of it.

 

[dreamyplanets]

I know...
I always want to tell others,
Ask them to think about different reasons,
But they always believe their ears only.
 
I just have to see this in the forum with somebody,
He said to me:"Difference between theory and reality is a never-ending debate",
And he said:"USB(and IEEE1994,Optical fiber,,Coaxial)'s Jitter,Cable and connectors will change Timbre" (Looks like you said?)
 
I think the debate and they is pointless,
I should be happy to listen to my music,
Why to manage other people's = =?
======
我了解...
我總是想告訴他們,
請他們想想為什麼會有不同,
但他們總是相信自己的耳朵.
 
我今天在論壇上看到, 
那位網友和我說"理論和現實的差異是爭論不完的",
並且說"USB(還有 IEEE1994,Optical fiber,,Coaxial)的 Jitter ,線材和接頭的材質將會影響音色"(就像是您說的?)
 
 
我想和他們爭論是無意義的,
我應該快樂的聽我的音樂才對,
他們要怎麼樣與我何干呢?

 

[bigshot]

The difference between theory and reality is your own ears. Theoretical improvements don't sound as good as real ones.