[ib1dance]

I am someone whom loves Music so much I wear Igrado's  in public, simply because I have found no other relatively portable audio device that can deliver such rich and deep sound whilst not being a full size headphone .I will  be in groups of people and wear my igrado's .I just turn the volume down enough so I an hear the music and them talking . And usually apart from a few odd looks people just take me and my "Odd" headphones for what they are ,a convenient way to listen to music whilst going about my day to day activity's .
 
 
In the small town  I live it's rare to see other people wearing these types of   head headphones .The too few people whom are listening to music are usually  wearing the white ear buds that I associate with  a weak tinny sound .
 
On a Quality of experience level this is rather strange . Why do people choose a far worse Music quality just so they will not seem different than everyone else .
 
 
Most rationale people would not choose to eat poor quality food when there is Good quality food available just because the majority have bad taste .
 
 

 

[Willakan]

"Capitalism feeds and nurtures our emotional weaknesses and then creates an illusion of security..." might be reading a teeny bit too much into people's headphone choice. Seriously, people buy what their friends buy/from a well known brand/what looks cool. Yay for modern consumer culture.

 

[ib1dance]

 
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 might be reading a teeny bit too much into people's headphone choice. Seriously, people buy what their friends buy/from a well known brand/what looks cool. Yay for modern consumer culture.

Maybe the modern consumer hole goes a lot more deeper than you are ready to accept right now.
 
So you think that the majority are buying products that are socially popular and fashionable rather than the best quality.
 
Is Modern consumer culture encouraging us to waste our resources and pollute our selves with  the waste that our modern consumer culture producers.
 
  In this times of limited natural Resources & Global Devastation of our natural environments shouldn't product manufacturers be held directly responsible for the way they make the products and the way they sell them to the public? .
 
Shouldn't you be more Responsible for the consumer culture that you advocate .Maybe people should be charged for the amount of rubbish they produce?.
 
Easy to buy easy to Throw away! .
 
Encourage people financially to be more responsible rather than our current system that rewards people to be less ethical .
 
Is part of the psychology of the massively popular consumer culture that of less responsibility .The more of you that look the same, wearing the same kind of clothes ,the same products, the same Ipod ,head phones etc, the less you feel responsible, because everyone else is doing it too,so it can't be that bad? can it?.
 
Surely a balance can be found.Having a healthy consumer society that choosers it's products wisely and manufacturers them wisely .
 
And for this to begin firstly the politics must change .The roots of the problem is the product manufacturers as they try to compete in a Global market .
 
If we wish to have the choice and range of headphones in the future we have to act now & put an end to wasting our precious resources .
 
Make democracy a winner and vote for the politicians with the best environmental credentials .
 
Either that or we will live more and more in a world where competition for resources becomes very fierce indeed.
 
And in times of war your headphone development isn't a priority .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

[khaos974]

You forget the main criterion: people have other hobbies than audio and choose to spend their money on other things, be it a new bicycle or a HDTV or health insurance

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[ib1dance]

 
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You forget the main criterion: people have other hobbies than audio and choose to spend their money on other things, be it a new bicycle or a HDTV or health insurance

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Of course choice is the essential criteria. So shouldn't we be choosing products that help protect our resources so we continue to have a choice & why aren't most product manufactures giving us the information on there products to make this choice.
 
And yes there are many products other than audio products .
 
But then Again it could be pointed out that music making,especially in groups of people with instruments, is a social activity that consumes far less resources than say Motor racing .
 
Now comparing only the health benefits of people getting together to play music and dance against people getting together to Race motor Vehicles we can see a clear winner .
 
Maybe many people are making Bad ill thought out decisions .
 
The state of the worlds natural environment is evidence of this obsessions with unhealthy lifestyles .
 
Choice? or social addiction ?.
 
It could be Argued 'what has this Got do do with sound science?' well my perception of human psychology is rooted in sound and the Rhythms/patterns/frequencies of the brain .
 
Either way and no matter what you actual believe .There is one pressing point that we need to focus on .
 
The health and restoration of our natural human Culture .
 
And for that  change to happen something BIG in how the majority Lives needs to change .Problem is the majority just don't seem to be capable of doing anything much other than the same old same thing .
 
Bad Habits Die Hard! it's hard for reason to compete with Greed .
 
And without Doubt there are many individuals that have more than they need . and many whom don't have enough of what they need.
 
Surely a politcal system that Redistributes wealth makes sense ?.
 
It would seem that sense is not what is driving the worlds Economy's .

 

[Willakan]

I don't mean to be offensive, but the statements you have made in the above threads make vanishingly small amounts of sense. For example, your somewhat bizarre environmentalist tirade declares that we should embrace environmentally friendly politicians - and thus make democracy a winner? I apologise if I'm being an idiot, but what does being green have to do with democracy? The most I could wring out of this is that you feel that democracy, being a system that aims to reconcile the different wants and needs of a varied group of individuals through a system that attempts to embrace equality to the largest extent that is practical, is presently contradicting the environmentalist agenda, as the interests of those who profit from various polluting activities exert their own pressure on the democratic system.

You then go on to state your belief in wealth distribution. This is now embracing socialist principles - and the closest we have to applying pure socialist principles is Communism, which so far in history has been a failure due to inevitable conflict of interests...I digress. Your essential point here is that you believe in such a system, which redistributes wealth in such a way to render individual needs obsolete- what is in the interest of the whole is in the interests of everyone. You also embrace democracy as a system of reconciling different needs - democracy is designed to support conflicts of interest, which you wish to eliminate with your wealth distribution - hence undermining the very principles that make democracy seem like a good idea. To clarify, you embrace democracy as allowing for freedom - which you then state you do not want - ultimately one-off wealth distribution, aside from being total pie-in-the-sky impossible, would simply return to the prior state over time as people use the assets alloted to them with different degrees of competence. A true system of wealth distribution cannot allow for personal freedom, as it would allow some to rise above others - thus abolishing the freedom you seem to regard as important. The contradiction is enormous.

More importantly, what does this have to do with headphones? I repeat, you are taking the fact that people buy suboptimal headphones and then using it to flimsily justify various conflicting pieces of ideology which, presented as a whole, appear somewhat confusing.

TLR: Your posts seem a little confusing. Please support your arguments and state your overall ideological stance, if you are hellbent on this rather strange discussion.

 

[ib1dance]

 
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I don't mean to be offensive, but the statements you have made in the above threads make vanishingly small amounts of sense. For example, your somewhat bizarre environmentalist tirade declares that we should embrace environmentally friendly politicians - and thus make democracy a winner? I apologise if I'm being an idiot, but what does being green have to do with democracy? The most I could wring out of this is that you feel that democracy, being a system that aims to reconcile the different wants and needs of a varied group of individuals through a system that attempts to embrace equality to the largest extent that is practical, is presently contradicting the environmentalist agenda, as the interests of those who profit from various polluting activities exert their own pressure on the democratic system.

You then go on to state your belief in wealth distribution. This is now embracing socialist principles - and the closest we have to applying pure socialist principles is Communism, which so far in history has been a failure due to inevitable conflict of interests...I digress. Your essential point here is that you believe in such a system, which redistributes wealth in such a way to render individual needs obsolete- what is in the interest of the whole is in the interests of everyone. You also embrace democracy as a system of reconciling different needs - democracy is designed to support conflicts of interest, which you wish to eliminate with your wealth distribution - hence undermining the very principles that make democracy seem like a good idea. To clarify, you embrace democracy as allowing for freedom - which you then state you do not want - ultimately one-off wealth distribution, aside from being total pie-in-the-sky impossible, would simply return to the prior state over time as people use the assets alloted to them with different degrees of competence. A true system of wealth distribution cannot allow for personal freedom, as it would allow some to rise above others - thus abolishing the freedom you seem to regard as important. The contradiction is enormous.

More importantly, what does this have to do with headphones? I repeat, you are taking the fact that people buy suboptimal headphones and then using it to flimsily justify various conflicting pieces of ideology which, presented as a whole, appear somewhat confusing.

TLR: Your posts seem a little confusing. Please support your arguments and state your overall ideological stance, if you are hellbent on this rather strange discussion.

Why do people contradict them selves so clearly . You don't mean to be offensive being the build up to a accusation of senselessness .I wouldn't want to be around you when you intend to be offensive then .
 
The contradictions you are reading in my words are most probably just meanings that are lost on translation somewhere .
 
Let me clarify
 
1. What has this got to do with headphones?
 
This is in a sound science sub forum and psychology is a scientific study .As I also have stated I believe sound and music can have a huge impact on a persons psychology .And I began by using the mass sale of white Ear Buds as a cross reference for the mass marketing of cheap low quality products by manufacturers .And headphones need a stable economy and environment to be manufactured. But yes this can quite easily go way off topic because everyone can relate to it's themes and interpret them as they see fit .
 
Anyhow it's healthy to Diversify a little from headphones .But Ultimately fro me it's all about the music .
 
2. My "point of view" is merely coming from one of finding a balance . As I hope do you,I want to live in a fair and just society where everyone is treated equal and we as humans have a long way to go in order to achieve this .
 
3. Democracy is the bed rock of any free society .And why when someone talks of redistributing of wealth do right wing capitalists always talk of communism . As I have already suggested what I want in order to balance the scales are Financial laws .Laws that prevent greedy individuals and or business from taking more than is healthy for society as a whole .
 
As an example all business should be run as a co-operative . where the people ( The workers ) whom work for the business directly own it and have a share in it's profit.
 
 
And if you asked the MAJORITY of the people in the street they would vote YES, we do want a say and share in the wealth of our work place and society .
 
And yes I do believe it is the richer minority that are preventing this move towards a sharing of wealth and power .This corrupted class system that has been holding back our society's establishing a  true Human Democracy and not this Democracy of Oil and inherited wealth.
 
It's Again Hypocritical to speak of Democracy for the country and yet a form of dictatorship in the work place .
 
 
Class and hierarchy only Divide us .But for a few those are the very same divides that keep them very wealthy in-greed .
 
Now what do you find confusing about the above?
 
 

 

[Dzjudz]

Pretty much everything to be honest...

I'm guessing you don't speak English as a first language, so a lot of what you are saying is getting lost in translation. Don't worry, English is not my first language either (third, in fact).

As you said yourself: what does this have to do with headphones?

 

[khaos974]

Let me be clear, a subscription to use the equipment of a gym club is probably as expensive as headphones as hobbies go, quality food is expensive. Those play a bigger role in my physical and mental health than quality audio does, thus your your poll still lacks the most likely choice which is "people have other priorities than quality audio".

As for the rest of your rant, I may agree on some points and disagree with others, but it has nothing to do with audio.

 

[Willakan]

I still strongly disagree with much of what you said, but this really isn't the place to have this discussion - try a dedicated politics forum, preferably in your native language so the language barrier leads to no further confusion.

 

[ib1dance]

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I still strongly disagree with much of what you said, but this really isn't the place to have this discussion - try a dedicated politics forum, preferably in your native language so the language barrier leads to no further confusion.

My native Language is music .
 
Maybe your just not listening to the Rhythm .