Advice for first speakers? - Considering Omen Def, Enzo, Triton 2 and Magnepan 1.7

Jul 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 11

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I recently decided to make a summer project out of completing my home theater and decided to make my money count. I went from looking at HTIAB kits on amazon to poring through audiophile forums and think it's worth the investment to pay for better quality. I want two amazing all around floorstanding speakers that will blow my mind. I am likely looking at a small/mid size room, but I still want a purchase that is flexible down the road. Something that sounds amazing from highs to deep lows with all kinds of music, movies and games, not just select genres. I want something with the really emotionally gripping clarity that seems to set some speakers apart from the rest.
 
I would pay up to 3200 for speakers (the omens are that much) and 1.5k for the amp and pre. If I got a 7.1 preamp would that save me the money from buying a reciever for movies? I am hesitant to put much on a receiver since they seem to only last a few years. Center/rear/sub can come later but I would like a great stereo setup that makes me forget they're missing.
Looking at Zu Omen Def's, Enzo, Triton 2 and Magnepan 1.7 in particular, but there may be some good ones I missed.
 
Jul 24, 2013 at 8:24 PM Post #2 of 11
My suggestion is to keep your stereo setup as separate from a home theater setup as you can possibly manage. Even the best home theater 'pre-processors' add a layer to you system, and it will sound better without that layer. You have some interesting choices in your list, but I would say the Magnepan is an outlier for value at its price. It just depends on whether a planar speaker will work for you - size, power requirements and placement. If it will, don't think twice. Or get a used 1.6 with a stand. You really can't go wrong.

If you can't swing the maggies, I would say check out the Zu's first. Some people love them, but they don't always work in every room and every setup, so make sure you can test them in-home in your setup.
 
Good luck and happy hunting.
 
 
Jul 24, 2013 at 11:40 PM Post #3 of 11
A few questions I have on the Maggie's-

Since they are less efficient then other speakers on my list would I be spending tons more than my 1.5k budget to power and enjoy them? Will I be paying a fat monthly tax on my power bill?

They're massive and need to be placed 1/3 into the room so would they obscure a projector beam?

Will I miss the lack of lower bass or do they do a great job without it? If I can put off a sub for later that would be nice.

Lastly, would the Maggie 3.7's be worth eating ramen noodles and using Logitech speakers the rest of the year? I probably don't make nearly as much as anyone else considering these but if they'll make music, movies and games sound amazing for the next 20 years, being conservative for a year seems like no trade off at all. And If it fills the room great on its own I may not feel any rush for rear and center speakers. I read about a grain sound present on Maggie's the 3.7 doesn't seem to have but it could be the kind of nitpicking that is in every speaker review.
 
Jul 25, 2013 at 12:42 AM Post #5 of 11
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A few questions I have on the Maggie's-

Since they are less efficient then other speakers on my list would I be spending tons more than my 1.5k budget to power and enjoy them? Will I be paying a fat monthly tax on my power bill?

They're massive and need to be placed 1/3 into the room so would they obscure a projector beam?

Will I miss the lack of lower bass or do they do a great job without it? If I can put off a sub for later that would be nice.

Lastly, would the Maggie 3.7's be worth eating ramen noodles and using Logitech speakers the rest of the year? I probably don't make nearly as much as anyone else considering these but if they'll make music, movies and games sound amazing for the next 20 years, being conservative for a year seems like no trade off at all. And If it fills the room great on its own I may not feel any rush for rear and center speakers. I read about a grain sound present on Maggie's the 3.7 doesn't seem to have but it could be the kind of nitpicking that is in every speaker review.


I started with the 1.7s and upgraded to the 3.7s.  My usage is likely 80-90% 2 channel music with the balance on movies and media.
 
Part of the problem / lure of Maggies is they are brutally revealing of your equipment when listening to music in 2 channels.  I started with an Audio Research D-class amp @ ~ 300W and was happy for about a week until I realized how much I could hear the amp affecting the sound.  If you are heavy on the music side, you will want to power them with the best amps you can afford, even if they are used.  I was not happy at all about having to upgrade my amps, but I did it and have not looked back since.
 
Power cost is related to your amp's consumption rate and while the Maggies are current-hungry speakers (as opposed to voltage hungry), they won't be driven full out unless you've got stuff like the T-Rex scenes from Jurassic Park on auto-repeat. 
 
The sweet spot for Maggies can be small for music and placement can be important so eclipsing the edges of your projector screen may be a real concern.  I follow the 1/3 placement principle, and would recommend applying it before doing other room treatments.
 
I cannot say if you will miss bass; that's more a personal listening choice.  The 1.7s will not provide the thump-to-the-gut bass of big dynamic drivers (neither do the 3.7s for that matter).  But you do get good, tuned bass.  You hear notes within their rated range rather than thump-thump-thump.
 
For "helping" lower bass, matching a sub to the 1.7 is next-to-impossible.  2 fixes are worth looking into.  Magnepan makes a dedicated bass-panel for use with their desktop series.  They are small compared to the 1.7s and pricing is around US$750 or so.  At CES this year, they hid 2 of these mini panels in their room and played the 3.7s and reviewers thought the bass was better than ever and could not locate where it was actually coming from.  Adding the DWMs does not actually extend the bass to lower Hz, but actually increases the amount of the driver surface area, effectively moving more air and making the  bass notes that are there appear more prominently.
 
Also myesound.com offers custom made stands for Maggies (and all other planar speakers like Quads, as well) which replace the original Maggie footers and make the frame much more rigid and stable, extending bass several Hz lower than Maggie's rating.  I have purchased these recently and am waiting for them to be delivered.  I can say that Grant at myesound is very helpful and accommodating.
 
 
As for 3.7s vs 1.7s, the change fit my particular lifestyle and listening habits.  Based on how much 2 channel listening I do, the spending habits on the rest of my life, the quality of my system component and usage (% of movies vs. music) and size of my room, upgrading was the right choice for me.  Can people live with the 1.7s happily?  Absolutely.  There is a noticeable difference between the two (of course!) but it may not be important based on your other considerations.
 
That said, you can always start small and upgrade later.  My dealer took mine back and easily sold them off to someone else.  They seem to get bought on A-gon relatively quickly, too.
 
Jul 25, 2013 at 1:23 AM Post #6 of 11
Thanks for all the helpful info and links. Upgrading from 1.7 to 3.7 sounds like a smart idea. I could have something to test while saving for the others so I can figure out more what my needs and limitations are. I read about the bass panels and they sounded like a good solution for a fuller sound. If the bass sounds 'better than ever' I may not care about the compromise.

It's hard to say my usage because I'm sure I will listen to music much more frequently when it's not on cheap desktop speakers like I have now.

I'm really only in my 20's and don't have a house yet so I don't know if it would completely defeat the purpose confining these to a room smaller than 20x20, or what in particular I should look for in room dimensions. I also wouldn't be able to make permanent changes to the room so that could be a deal breaker.

On the other hand I want to invest in speakers that will sound great now but have the room to really grow with me for the next 20 years as my setup and living space change. I would rather own great speakers that only sound better over the years than something hand picked for a temporary place I am renting.
 
Jul 25, 2013 at 3:32 AM Post #7 of 11
I do have to mention that the more I learn about high end audio the less I feel like I know. It seems like there's a thousand ways to limit or hurt your system, a thousand setups that are worth just saving a little more for and no one time investments. Everything seems both amazing value and also severely gimped depending on the reviewer. I don't want to end up in some costly cycle of discontent that never distracted me before from music or movies, and I fear I'll get to a point where I'll realize my equipment is really not suited for a house or lifestyle I can afford. I just want to invest in amazing sound I can be happy with without needing to shape my whole life around it.
 
Jul 25, 2013 at 3:41 AM Post #8 of 11
I have made the room where the 2 channel system is located a dedicated listening environment. I rent as well, and my listening room is much smaller than the 20x20 quoted (roughly about 14' x 14' x 9'). The result is that 3.7s visually dominate the room (but I live alone so I don't care) , and on top of that, I've had the room mapped and measured and applied bass traps, diffusors and various other niceties that improve my experience.  All of my treatments are (re)moveable.  When guests come over, they know immediately what my hobbies are, but none of them complain once they hear what it sounds like.
 
This may not be possible if there's a) a spouse involved, b) kids involved, c) thin walls/floors/ceilings, d) hair-trigger neighbors or e) any combination of a-d.  In my case, a & b are not applicable and c & d are luckily not an issue.
 
The last caveat I would add is that people who have planar speakers in their system tend to get used to their style of sound and stay faithful to them for a while.  Getting into the habit now may take adjustment if you need to change later to say, a mini-monitor set up.  That said, if you're into planars now, it may help make other decisions later on (see points c & d from above in particular; or a & b too, if your priorities run that way!).
 
Jul 25, 2013 at 4:24 AM Post #9 of 11
If it seems to work adequately for your room size that gives me a little more confidence in them.

I'm concerned though about overlooking something specifically designed for small/mid rooms, not sure if theres a huge tradeoff aside from price. My usage swings more towards movies and games lately but I'm sure I'd do more dedicated music listening if it were that immersive.

I've been looking at some rental places and probably the biggest factor is home theater potential. Anything I should consider aside from wall thickness and neighbors?
 
Jul 25, 2013 at 7:14 PM Post #10 of 11
My man cave currently boasts a 2.0 system with Zu Essence speakers. I have been doing some measuring with REW an a calibrated microphone, and my system goes down to 35 hz. Not that I don't need some bass smoothing in my small (9.5x14) room. That's my current project while waiting for the BHSE. My room, nor my 35 watt tubed amp, would not play well with Maggies. I do like the Zu sound though, and recommend this made in the USA company.
 

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