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XMOS XU208 USB BRIDGES - THE LATEST GEN HAS ARRIVED!
Aug 5, 2016 at 3:25 PM Post #3,166 of 3,865
I am far from a ddc guru. But thanks for the shout out... Funny, this thread has covered the f1 and us-1. Maybe you missed talking about the su-1. there are a lot of really good ddc's on this thread and thanks to rb2013 for taking the time to review many of them. He deserves the credit. I have only reviewed half the ddc's he has. My budget allows for only so much. But I think the Su-1 is a nice find and hard to beat for the price.

I think many have moved to the rednet now, or those who can afford it :) it sounds quite nice with dual mutec's in line with it. I just can't spend that much on a ddc imho. I hear leter@singxer is looking into offering an aoip solution in the future. It's great to stay on top of all this tech. I'm using the su-1 and will be modding mine with a belleson regulator :)
 
Aug 5, 2016 at 4:42 PM Post #3,167 of 3,865
bimmer100 said:
I am far from a ddc guru. But thanks for the shout out... Funny, this thread has covered the f1 and us-1. Maybe you missed talking about the su-1. there are a lot of really good ddc's on this thread and thanks to rb2013 for taking the time to review many of them. He deserves the credit. I have only reviewed half the ddc's he has. My budget allows for only so much. But I think the Su-1 is a nice find and hard to beat for the price.

I think many have moved to the rednet now, or those who can afford it
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it sounds quite nice with dual mutec's in line with it. I just can't spend that much on a ddc imho. I hear leter@singxer is looking into offering an aoip solution in the future. It's great to stay on top of all this tech. I'm using the su-1 and will be modding mine with a belleson regulator
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Have you opened up the SU-1? Could you share pictures of the inside?
 
Aug 5, 2016 at 5:25 PM Post #3,168 of 3,865
rb2013 said:
 
Yes the SU-1

 

 

 

 

 

 
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classfolkphile said:
 
Have you opened up the SU-1? Could you share pictures of the inside?
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As you can see above, @rb2013 posted some great pictures of the interior of the SU-1 back on page 174 of this very thread!
 
bimmer100 said:
I am far from a ddc guru. But thanks for the shout out... Funny, this thread has covered the f1 and us-1. Maybe you missed talking about the su-1. there are a lot of really good ddc's on this thread and thanks to rb2013 for taking the time to review many of them. He deserves the credit. I have only reviewed half the ddc's he has. My budget allows for only so much. But I think the Su-1 is a nice find and hard to beat for the price.

I think many have moved to the rednet now, or those who can afford it
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it sounds quite nice with dual mutec's in line with it. I just can't spend that much on a ddc imho. I hear leter@singxer is looking into offering an aoip solution in the future. It's great to stay on top of all this tech. I'm using the su-1 and will be modding mine with a belleson regulator
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Dual Mutec MC-3+'s in the chain? I thought you only wanted one right after the RedNet? Where does the other one go? Did I miss out on some important piece of information somewhere?
 
So PC (Dante Virtual Sound Card) -Ethernet Cable-> RedNet 3 -Toslink Cable-> Mutec MC-3+ -Toslink Cable-> DAC? Where is the second MC-3+ in there and why is it needed? The only thing I can think of is if someone was using it to provide a WCLK to the RedNet 3? And if that was the case why wouldn't they get something like the Tascam CG-1000 instead?
 
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Aug 5, 2016 at 6:13 PM Post #3,169 of 3,865
danny_66 said:
   
Looks great !!!
Seems to have also isolation and a reclocker like the F-1.
But also a very good linear power supply and nice cases :)
 
Looks like the best candidate now.
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That is an interesting looking unit - NDK clocks, CPLD isolation, DC input, decent stock PS.  I2S and AES output, as well as SPDIF coax and optical.  All for $240 shipped.  Nice!
 
Kinda surprised it took this long for another XU208 to arrive on the scene
 
Aug 5, 2016 at 6:19 PM Post #3,170 of 3,865
insanityone said:
 
Hmm, it would seem that a lot of you already beat me to the punch here but, what is the general consensus on the new XU208 chip? I am particularly interested in a unit made by Chinese manufacturer "Singxer." The unit is called the SU-1 and looks like this:
 

 

 
As far as I know the only place that these are available is at: http://kitsunehifi.com/product/singxersu1/ but I really want to hear some impressions from those of you who own / use one!
 
Also, shoutout to @bimmer100 (the DDC guru himself) for showing me this neat site! It looks like they are stocking a lot of exclusive gear / brands that I have never seen before.
 
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The Su-1 was available quite awhile ago on Baidu, but for a while now all over Ebay with a buyers guarantee.
 
Aug 5, 2016 at 6:36 PM Post #3,171 of 3,865
insanityone said:
   
 
 
As you can see above, @rb2013 posted some great pictures of the interior of the SU-1 back on page 174 of this very thread!
 
 
Dual Mutec MC-3+'s in the chain? I thought you only wanted one right after the RedNet? Where does the other one go? Did I miss out on some important piece of information somewhere?
 
So PC (Dante Virtual Sound Card) -Ethernet Cable-> RedNet 3 -Toslink Cable-> Mutec MC-3+ -Toslink Cable-> DAC? Where is the second MC-3+ in there and why is it needed? The only thing I can think of is if someone was using it to provide a WCLK to the RedNet 3? And if that was the case why wouldn't they get something like the Tascam CG-1000 instead?
 
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There's more info on AOIP on my other thread.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/806827/audio-over-ip-rednet-3-16-review-aes67-sets-a-new-standard-for-computer-audio
 
My current sota AOIP setup is a RN3 fed by a Cerious Tech Graphene cable from a Art Audio PB4X4Pro that is fed by a Audience aR1p.  The RN3's SPDIF is reclocked by a Mutec MC-3+ USB (Cerious Graphene) connected by a BJC BNC cable.  The RN3 is reclocked by ext wClock by an Antelope OXCO OCX (Cerious Graphene) using a Oyaide BNC.
 
On the PC I'm using a totl PCIe Ethernet card with Intel chipset - that feeds a FMC fiber ethernet sender/reciever before the RN3.  Both FMC's have linear power supplies.
 
Note: There is a German reviewer that has experimented with mulitple Mutec MC-3+ boxes and states the MC-3+ USB (which has an improved clocking scheme) was equal to THREE of the non-USB versions piggybacked.
 
I compared the Mutec MC-3+USB as a Wclock and it was inferior to the excellent internal RN3 clock.  Now the Oven Controlled Oscillator Antelope OCX is in a whole other league.
 
To bring you up to date - the last piece of the puzzle - would be to fed a 10Mhz Rubidium clock into both the Antelope and the Mutec.  The atomic clock would act as a discipliner for the Mutec 1G XO and Antelope OXCO.  We've had much discussions on the different atomic clocks.  My preference is the Stanford Research PERF10.
 
Aug 5, 2016 at 6:43 PM Post #3,172 of 3,865
Now some of the new folks here may have missed one of the greatest addons to USB.  I still run a USB chain in my office system.
 
This is the use of a GB LAN ethernet ISO audio USB extender made by ICRON and rebranded as well by Startech.  This unit made a huge improvement in USB SQ and is what lead me to AOIP.
 
http://www.icron.com/products/icron-brand/usb-extenders/lan/usb-2-0-ranger-2304ge-lan/
 
Here is my current USB chain:
Just the data chain:
PC>PPA V2 USB card (TeraDak X1 - Nichicon HW caps)>LH Labs 2G Split USB cable>Startech LEX>BJC CAT6 UTP 550Mhz>Startech REX (with one Jitterbug - Breeze 24VDC LPS+DC iPurifer)>LH Labs 2G split USB cable (data only leg)>W4S Recovery(TeraDak LPS DC-30W+Cerious Graphene PC+ DC iPurifier)>Curious 200mm USB Link>iPur 2>F-1>Audio Sen Silver Statement SPDIF 1.5M RCA>APL DAC
 
 
Here would be my current ratings and rankings (the numbers are just a relative number - they are not percentages).  The Breeze Audio (Talema) DU-U8 = 100
 
Obviously these are my subjective ratings YMMV - and yes I have owned (had a loaner) all these for an extended period of time:
 
REDNET 3/Cerious Graphene/Mutec 3+ USB (SPDIF)/Antelope OCX (RN wClock)           270
REDNET 3/Cerious/Mutec 3+ USB/Audience au24 se digital cable                               250
REDNET 3/Cerious/Mutec 3+ USB (SPDIF reclocker)/AS Sliver Statement dig cable        240
REDNET 3/Cerious Power Cord                                                                               220
Singxer F-1 DC30W/Cerious/Recovery/DCiPur/ iPur2/Startech GB LAN Iso USB               170
Mutec 3+ Smart Clock USB/Cerious Power Cord                                                        155
Singxer F-1 DC30W/Cerious/Recovery/DCiPur/ iPur2                                                   145
PUC2 Lite TeraDak DC30W/Cerious/Regen                                                               135
Singxer F-1 DC30W/Cerious                                                                                   135
DXIO Silver/TeraDak DC-30W/Cerious                                                                      130
Singxer X-1 DC30W/Cerious/Recovery/DCiPur/iPur2                                                    125
PUC2 Lite - USB power                                                                                          110
Singxer F-1  Stock feed                                                                                          110
Breeze/Cerious Graph/WBT RCA Nexgen                                                                   109
Breeze DU-U8 with Cerious Graphene                                                                      108
 Breeze DU-U8 (Talema version)                                                                              100
Breeze DU-U8 (BingZi version)                                                                                 95
Hydra Z with LPS                                                                                                    92
Melodious MX-U8 (upgraded caps)                                                                             85
Melodious MX-U8 (stock)                                                                                          81
Gustard U12 (upgraded caps)                                                                                    76
Gustard U12 stock                                                                                                   72
iDAC DAC2 (used as a DDC)                                                                                      65
Musiland USB3.0 US Dragon                                                                                      65
M2Tech EVO with LPS                                                                                              60
Audiophileo 2  USB Power                                                                                         50
M2Tech Hiface                                                                                                         40
 
Note the two major leaps - one by adding the ICRON/Startech GB LAN Iso Audio USB Extender into the chain.  Then the bigger leap away from USB completely to the REDNET3 Dante AES67 AOIP.  The Mutec 3+ did not help as an ext Word Clock to the RD3 - but after the RD3 as a SPDIF reclocker - excellent.
 
Aug 5, 2016 at 6:50 PM Post #3,173 of 3,865
rb2013 said:
Now some of the new folks here may have missed one of the greatest addons to USB.  I still run a USB chain in my office system.

This is the use of a GB LAN ethernet ISO audio USB extender made by ICRON and rebranded as well by Startech.  This unit made a huge improvement in USB SQ and is what lead me to AOIP.

http://www.icron.com/products/icron-brand/usb-extenders/lan/usb-2-0-ranger-2304ge-lan/

Here is my current USB chain:
Just the data chain:
[COLOR=000000]PC>PPA V2 USB card (TeraDak X1 - Nichicon HW caps)>LH Labs 2G Split USB cable>Startech LEX>BJC CAT6 UTP 550Mhz>Startech REX (with one Jitterbug - Breeze 24VDC LPS+DC iPurifer)>LH Labs 2G split USB cable (data only leg)>W4S Recovery(TeraDak LPS DC-30W+Cerious Graphene PC+ DC iPurifier)>Curious 200mm USB Link>iPur 2>F-1>Audio Sen Silver Statement SPDIF 1.5M RCA>APL DAC[/COLOR]

[COLOR=000000]Here is the current rankings and ratings:[/COLOR]
[COLOR=000000]ere would be my current ratings and rankings (the numbers are just a relative number - they are not percentages).  The Breeze Audio (Talema) DU-U8 = 100[/COLOR]


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[COLOR=000000]Obviously these are my subjective ratings YMMV - and yes I have owned (had a loaner) all these for an extended period of time:[/COLOR]



REDNET 3/Cerious Graphene/Mutec 3+ USB (SPDIF)/Antelope OCX (RN wClock)           270
[COLOR=000000]REDNET 3/Cerious/Mutec 3+ USB/Audience au24 se digital cable                               250[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]REDNET 3/Cerious/Mutec 3+ USB (SPDIF reclocker)/AS Sliver Statement dig cable        240[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]REDNET 3/Cerious Power Cord                                                                               220[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]Singxer F-1 DC30W/Cerious/Recovery/DCiPur/ iPur2/Startech GB LAN Iso USB               170[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]Mutec 3+ Smart Clock USB/Cerious Power Cord                                                        155[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]Singxer F-1 DC30W/Cerious/Recovery/DCiPur/ iPur2                                                   145[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]PUC2 Lite TeraDak DC30W/Cerious/Regen                                                               135[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]Singxer F-1 DC30W/Cerious                                                                                   135[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]DXIO Silver/TeraDak DC-30W/Cerious                                                                      130[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]Singxer X-1 DC30W/Cerious/Recovery/DCiPur/iPur2                                                    125[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]PUC2 Lite - USB power                                                                                          110[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]Singxer F-1  Stock feed                                                                                          110[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]Breeze/Cerious Graph/WBT RCA Nexgen                                                                   109[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]Breeze DU-U8 with Cerious Graphene                                                                      108[/COLOR]


 [COLOR=000000]Breeze DU-U8 (Talema version)                                                                              100[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]Breeze DU-U8 (BingZi version)                                                                                 95[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]Hydra Z with LPS                                                                                                    92[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]Melodious MX-U8 (upgraded caps)                                                                             85[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]Melodious MX-U8 (stock)                                                                                          81[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]Gustard U12 (upgraded caps)                                                                                    76[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]Gustard U12 stock                                                                                                   72[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]iDAC DAC2 (used as a DDC)                                                                                      65[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]Musiland USB3.0 US Dragon                                                                                      65[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]M2Tech EVO with LPS                                                                                              60[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]Audiophileo 2  USB Power                                                                                         50[/COLOR]


[COLOR=000000]M2Tech Hiface                                                                                                         40[/COLOR]


 


[COLOR=000000]Note the two major leaps - one by adding the ICRON/Startech GB LAN Iso Audio USB Extender into the chain.  Then the bigger leap away from USB completely to the REDNET3 Dante AES67 AOIP.  The Mutec 3+ did not help as an ext Word Clock to the RD3 - but after the RD3 as a SPDIF reclocker - excellent.[/COLOR]
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Rob you should build that all into 1 clean box and market it :)
 
Aug 5, 2016 at 6:58 PM Post #3,175 of 3,865
rb2013 said:
Hey Mike whaz up?

Following your developement on the Ravena Streamer - looks very promising - just wish my DACs had USB boards!

Been working on heavy mods on the BURL B2 Bomber DAC  - with the AOIP Dante BK2 board installed directly in the DAC.

One killer great DAC for the money - PS needs much improving though.

Cheers!
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Awesome! Sounds great! That looks like a killer solution. We are on the home stretch for the AES67 VSC. It will even be able to talk to your Burl :) anything AES 67 compliant.
 
Aug 5, 2016 at 7:01 PM Post #3,176 of 3,865
kelowna said:
Awesome! Sounds great! That looks like a killer solution. We are on the home stretch for the AES67 VSC. It will even be able to talk to your Burl
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anything AES 67 compliant.
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Sweet!  I expect in the next yr or so many proaudio DACs to be AES67 compliant.  That retro fit on a TotalDAC for your solution sounds very appealing - would that apply to their tube DAC as well?
 
Aug 5, 2016 at 7:03 PM Post #3,177 of 3,865
rb2013 said:
Sweet!  I expect in the next yr or so many proaudio DACs to be AES67 compliant.  That retro fit on a TotalDAC for your solution sounds very appealing - would that apply to their tube DAC as well?
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Well I might have to cut the Q&A short here. I probably already crossed the line. You know where to find me for an un-regulated Q&A session :)
 
Aug 5, 2016 at 7:13 PM Post #3,179 of 3,865
danny_66 said:
Looks great !!!
Seems to have also isolation and a reclocker like the F-1.
But also a very good linear power supply and nice cases :)

Looks like the best candidate now.
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Looks like a great bargain, considering the design and the 2 cases. Missing a Talema transfo however. Rj45 i2s, very tempting to me.

If anyone wants my crystek talema breeze, pm me. I will let it go at a fair price.

For now, i am delighted with my rj45 i2s f-1 driven by a wyrd. It's so good with the highs, it is almost ridiculous considering i paid less than 200usb all material included. But you need a good supply and good usb cables as well, so one has to take this into account.
 
Aug 5, 2016 at 7:55 PM Post #3,180 of 3,865
I have about 7-8 hours on my SU-1 which has one hour w/ a aes/ebu cable. So far the coax soulds the best and the aes/ebu doesn't sound good at all....

Has anyone tried the bnc cable?
 
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