Knowledge Zenith (KZ) impressions thread
Jan 15, 2016 at 9:13 PM Post #9,046 of 63,919
   
Read both review .....thanks B and @HiFiChris 
 
But gotta say ...you killin' me with "Lord Bass" title !
 
 

 
Can thank @DaveLT for the 'Lord Bass' title.  :D
 
   
Thanks P ! ....from the reviews .....the sound sig might be wee bit heavy for me ...Lord Bass ....muahahahahaaaa
 
Still looking for the one to top the ED9 or EDSE or even the ED3 ( the OG ...muahahaaa )
 
Here are some shots of ED3
 
 

 
They are seriously bass heavy, but as @Podster said the beast can be tamed. 
 
Nice shots of the ED3. Still a worthy KZ in my opinion. It's a pretty unique signature compared to their most recent offerings.
 
Not to spoil my upcoming review of the ED4, but I very much like them, though I would definitely have skipped the inline mic had I been given the choice. 
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 10:07 PM Post #9,047 of 63,919
Thanks P ! ....from the reviews .....the sound sig might be wee bit heavy for me ...Lord Bass ....muahahahahaaaa

Still looking for the one to top the ED9 or EDSE or even the ED3 ( the OG ...muahahaaa )

Here are some shots of ED3










Ooh you got the original ED3 Perfections, different than most other KZ especially the "ACME". But as B9 said they are still a nice $10 iem:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: Is that one of your first KZ?
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 10:18 PM Post #9,048 of 63,919
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Not to spoil my upcoming review of the ED4, but I very much like them, though I would definitely have skipped the inline mic had I been given the choice. 

 
I ended up ordering the ED4 as well because I could get the one with microphone for $6.61, even though I already ordered the (S4 or Z1, name confusion not resolved) for $7.61 and HDS3 for $6.99, all with mic, my preference. Not to mention a Rock Zircon on order and a YINJW Wooden V2. Of course, at those prices, some are on the slow boat slower than Epacket delivery.
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 10:21 PM Post #9,049 of 63,919
Can thank @DaveLT
 for the 'Lord Bass' title.  :D


They are seriously bass heavy, but as @Podster
 said the beast can be tamed. 

Nice shots of the ED3. Still a worthy KZ in my opinion. It's a pretty unique signature compared to their most recent offerings.

Not to spoil my upcoming review of the ED4, but I very much like them, though I would definitely have skipped the inline mic had I been given the choice. 

Tamed ? Chair and whip I should think! Actually surprisingly robust for $10 or $11. The Ed3 " perfection" is or was a surprisingly different sound for Kz it would be interesting to hear who or what music they designed it for, it's a different formula.
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 10:25 PM Post #9,050 of 63,919
Ooh you got the original ED3 Perfections, different than most other KZ especially the "ACME". But as B9 said they are still a nice $10 iem:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: Is that one of your first KZ?

 
History lesson ..first KZ mentioned iirc is KZ A1 ....which me still have ....KZ built quality ROCKS !
 

KZ A1
 
Here are some of the OG's
 

 KZ CKW1000
 

KZ ED1
 

KZ LPS --gold plated mod
 
 

 


 
KZ LP2 - also gold plated mod - not foldable
 

KZ Micro Ring 
 

 
KZ R3 - detachable cable
 

 
KZ GR - swappable filter like ED9 
 
Enjoy the pics
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 11:52 PM Post #9,051 of 63,919
Here is my brief review with lots of detailed pics of KZ ZN1, ZS1, HDS1, and ED3c IEMs.  Big Thanks to @Horton and KZ for providing review samples in exchange for my honest opinion.

 
It has been awhile since my last review of ED9, ED10, and ATE, two budget IEMs from KZ which I still hold in high regard.  One admirable thing about Knowledge Zenith (KZ), they never sit still and continuously push the envelope of budget pricing and new cool designs.  That’s what you are going to find with their new HDS1 and ED3c additions to IEM catalog.  But at the same time, they stepped outside of their typical $10 comfort zone with two new offerings, ZN1 and ZS1.  Let’s take a closer look at what I have found.
 
ZN1
 
Referred to as Smart Headset, ZN1 has a dual dynamic driver (8mm for bass/mids and 6.8mm for treble) with two independent sound chambers combined at the nozzle and a smart control unit with dual TI amplifiers.  The control/amp unit requires to be charged (through micro-usb connector), with a battery lasting up to 10hrs, and it has an independent digital volume control +/- buttons, bass adjustment +/- buttons, and treble adjustment +/- buttons.  While being adjusted, these parameters are displayed with corresponding values on a small high contrast OLED display.  Furthermore, you also have a multifunction button to pick up and to answer the calls, and a separate Power button.
 
The control unit is a bit bulky and adds some weight to the cable while serving as “y-splitter”.  Also, the cable from the control unit to 3.5mm gold plated angled connector is thick, and L/R cables going to earpieces are also on a thicker side.  Earpieces are big enough to house two dynamic drivers, have a plastic housing, and a durable build that can withstand some abuse.  They have a clear L/R marking, multi-venting for expanded open sound, and a short strain relief which is not a problem due to a thickness of the cable/shielding attached to earpieces.
 
In terms of a fitment, earpieces themselves are very comfortable and fit secure with a wire over the ear.  But the added weight of control/amp unit and thick cable is not very comfortable to walk around with.  Another thing, I was able to pair it up without a problem with my smartphones and tablets, but to work with DAPs you need TRRS to TRS adapter.  With a smartphone it works in a powered and a passive modes, while with DAPs it only works in a powered mode and with an adapter.  In my opinion ZN1 strength is NOT in a portable use, but rather to use with your smartphone or tablet for a portable entertainment, such as watching movies, videos, and playing games.
 
ZN1 gives you a full theatrical experience of an open/surround amplified detailed sound where you can adjust the depth and the impact of the bass and increase or reduce the definition and sparkle of the treble.  Sure, you can also listen and enjoy your music while you are relaxing in the chair or on a couch, but walking around – I wouldn’t recommend.  And if you run out of battery, you can still enjoy the sound in a passive mode, though without volume/bass/treble adjustment.  In summary, I found it to be not as useful with my DAPs, but very useful with my Smartphone and Tablet.
 
Pictures.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Display.
 
 
 
 
Fitment.
 

 
 
ZS1
 
While testing ZN1, I was happy how it paired up with my smartphone, but wasn’t able to enjoy it to a full potential with my DAPs.  It was a bit frustrating to the point where I was ready to “convert” ZN1 into a passive wired IEMs, but I'm glad that I didn’t.  I’m sure KZ received a lot of feedback from their users, and decided to answer with ZS1 version which is basically a passive wired ZN1 without control/amp unit.
 
Just like ZN1, ZS1 features a dual 8mm and 6.8mm dynamic drivers with a nearly identical plastic shell and open vents, and the same L/R clear marking.  Cable is thinner, closer to a more traditional KZ wires with their typical 90deg headphone plug, rubbery shielding, small y-splitter with a nice strain relief on each end, and in-line remote/mic going to the right earpiece for smartphone control.  Everything was good until you get closer to earpieces where you have a rather long and stiff memory wire.  I guess KZ decided not to use memory wire with ZN1 because wires stayed put behind your ears under the weight of control/amp unit, while not the same case with ZS1 – but they made it too long and stiff.  Again, this is not a show stopper that going to affect a comfort of wearing ZS1, but I would have preferred a shorter memory wire and without a plastic termination bead at the end.  Every time I take them off for storage and put them back on, I have to go through re-shaping of the memory wire which becomes a bit annoying.
 
With a design and a fitment out of the way, the next stop was a sound test.  I was pleased to see that ZS1 had no issues working with any of my DAPs in addition to smartphone and tablet, but as soon as I start playing the music, my ears got blasted with a serious BASS cannons!!!  I have no idea why KZ decided to tune ZS1 to a basshead extreme.  We are talking about L-shaped sound signature with an overwhelming bass slam.  Low end is deep and extended, from a thick thumping sub-bass to a boomy elevated mid-bass - both dominating the sound.  But surprisingly, even with such massive impact, there was still room for a quality mids, though pushed all the way back in quantity.  Lower mids have a full smooth body and upper mids have a nice clarity with smooth details.  Even treble has a nice definition, though not as much airiness or brightness.  Also, soundstage was pretty good, though with more depth than width.
 
Not wanting to give up, I started to tweak EQ and discovered that ZS1 has A LOT of potentials and can be transformed into a decent pair of headphones when you cut 6dB around 30Hz and 3dB around 60Hz.  As soon as you trim that low end thumping and booming, you make a room for mids and treble to come up, resulting in a more balanced and smooth detailed sound.  This EQ cut easily transforms ZS1 into a solid pair of great sounding headphones with a more ear-friendly tuning and a balanced organic detailed sound.  Typically, I’m not a fan of using EQ, but sometime I can make an exception and SZ1 was it.  But moving forward, I wish KZ would retune their sound signature to cut down on bass and to shorten the memory wire.
 
Pictures.
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
Fitment.
 

 
 
HDS1
 
With HDS1, KZ went back to their traditional “formula” of small lightweight single dynamic driver design (this one has a small 6mm driver).  It was nice to see all these bright fresh colors, instead of a traditional black or silver, and the build quality was solid metal.  The shells have a clear L/R marking, short but sturdy strain relief, typical KZ thin cable with a rubbery/sticky shielding.  Y-splitter was nice and small, but surprisingly it didn’t have any strain relief at the ends which I prefer to have.  The headphones connector was their traditional right-angle gold-plated plug.  The fitment worked both ways, wired up and wire down.
 
There was also in-line remote w/mic on the right side of the cable, but it was very cheap and plastic.  I wish they would have used a sturdier metal capsule because if you crack this in-line remote – you expose the wire connection (speaking from a personal experience of another headphone pair that went straight to garbage).  I also sensed some cable microphonics.  Last, but not least, sound isolation is poor due to 3 large vents on the back of the shell – great for an open airy sound, but not good if you’re looking for a passive noise isolation.
 
When it comes to a sound analysis, HDS1 offers a nicely tuned mid-centric signature with a focus on mids clarity and resolution - great for vocals!  A found very little sub-bass, nearly rolled off, and mid-bass had a neutral fast tight punch.  Lower mids are lean, missing warmth of full body, while upper mids are the focus of the tuning - clear and detailed, and at the same time not a hint of harshness or graininess.  Treble is extended, bright, crisp, well defined and not sibilant at all.  The sound is mid-centric and airy, but at the same time missing some organic warmth and natural body.  Instead, you will get a detailed resolving vocals, neutral quality low end, nice treble sparkle, and overall non-fatigue extended listening experience.  Soundstage has a great width, an average depth, and slightly below average height.
 
Pictures.
 
 
 
 

 
Fitment.
 
 
 
 
ED3c
 
ED3c is another step closer to a traditional KZ design and sound, and also under $10.  Here you will find a solid build quality, all metal lightweight shell in different bright colors (looking like the color was baked in), and a nice strain relief around the shell.  KZ decided to do something more original by using handwriting font to spell the Left/Right which looks classy, but also hard to read, so I was using in-line remote on the Right side as my indicator since shells are symmetrical.  The cable has typical KZ multi-color wires with rubbery shielding, small rubbery y-slitter with strain relief on each end, and a traditional 90-degree gold plated headphone connector.  Microphonics was just average, and sound isolation was not bad at all if you use the correct size eartip and considering a small pinhole air-vent next to the cable attached to the shell.
 
I found ED3c to have L-shaped signature with a nice low end extension and a strong bass impact.  Sub-bass has a nice heft, adding an underlying weight to support fast mid-bass punch.  Bass itself is not very articulate or super tight, but has an Ok control and strong impact which tilts the sound toward the low end.  Lower mids are warm and full but not muddy, upper mids are clear smooth but not very detailed.  Actually, mids sound a bit artificial, especially vocals.  Treble is clear, a little rolled off, smooth and non-sibilant.  Though I hear overall sound to be more L-shaped than V-shaped due to a treble roll-off, I still wouldn't consider these to be basshead headphones.  Soundstage was also nice with slightly above the average width/depth/height.
 
Pictures.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Fitment.
 
 
 
Jan 16, 2016 at 3:46 AM Post #9,052 of 63,919
History lesson [...]
 
 

KZ LPS --gold plated mod
 
 

 

 
KZ LP2 - also gold plated mod - not foldable
 


At first, I thought you were joking and put a V-Moda headphone into the pictures, but then I saw the Knowledge Zenith lettering. 
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Personally, I find obviously copying designs like that quite cheeky.
 
Jan 16, 2016 at 8:19 AM Post #9,053 of 63,919
@twister6 Great coverage of those KZs man! My personal favorite of the bunch (out of those I own) is the ZS1. I don't think they're the best, but without a doubt get the most entertainment from them.
 
@Wokei Nice to see some of the classic KZs getting some love. Might have to join in and post some pics.
 
Jan 16, 2016 at 8:21 AM Post #9,054 of 63,919
  @twister6 Great coverage of those KZs man! My personal favorite of the bunch (out of those I own) is the ZS1. I don't think they're the best, but without a doubt get the most entertainment from them.
 
@Wokei Nice to see some of the classic KZs getting some love. Might have to join in and post some pics.

 
Thanks bro!  I'm glad I posted this write up 'cause I finally found where Eric (@Wokei) is hiding!!!
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Jan 17, 2016 at 12:48 AM Post #9,057 of 63,919
I will take back most of my negative statements about extreme difficulty in getting a good fit on the ATE-S. I discovered I was putting the tips onto the stem too far. Don't do that, keep them on the edge. It is much easier, though still not perfectly easy, to get a good fit. And with a good fit, I would have recently said they were the first of my 3 KZ earphones to sound best without EQ adjustment. However, I broke my multi-year rule with the ZN1 mini. I only use extra-large tips for every IEM, but with the mini, I switched to medium size to get a more balanced sound, and no longer need to EQ down the bass.
 
Jan 17, 2016 at 11:02 AM Post #9,058 of 63,919
Hi guys, I'm writing here to ask some advices on a new pair of iem that I'd like to buy after I have my Piston 3 to my brother :)
I've came across those KZ iems while I was browsing my usual Chinese ecommerce sites. Then I've found and read some of the hundred pages of this thread XD
Now I cannot decide between some of the most recommended one: Ate, ZN1, ZN1 mini.

I listen mostly to rock, electronic, some hiphop and soul too.

For those who have/had the Piston 3, in comparison to my old SHE9800, I really liked how they sounded, but I think they lacked some bass.

Thanks for those who will help me :)

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