Focal Utopia vs. HIFIMAN HE1000
Oct 14, 2016 at 4:46 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 146

moshen

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Having owned and spent good time with the Focal Utopia I thought it would be helpful to do a review comparing my HE1000 which has been my favorite headphone of all time.
 
I've had my HE1000 for over a year and it's been the first headphone I've owned that has quenched my thirst for upgrades. Before the HE1000 my favorite headphones have always been from HIFIMAN with the HE-400/HE-500/HE-560 and HE-6. What the HE1000 does better than those headphones are soundstage, imaging, and top to bottom frequency response and extension.
 
However after owning them for more than a year, some of the shortcomings become evident. The main issue I have with them is the dynamism and impact. The laid back characteristics work in its favor for relaxed or long term listening, however some music demands the extra punch that the HE1000 falls short on. For example in close comparisons between the HE1000 and their previous flagship the HE-6, it's apparent that while the HE1000 reaches lower in sub bass extension, the HE-6 hits harder in bass and has more realistic attack on strings. I listen to a lot of electronic music and some genres of electronic just don't sound completely at home on the HE1000.
 
Where does the Utopia fit in? In short, they're almost the complete opposite of the HE1000. Extremely punchy and dynamic, a more closed in soundstage and almost never laid-back. Let's go into detail: 
 
Bass: The Utopia is very hard hitting in bass and with lots of texture and detail. It's similar in my memory with the HE-6. For a dynamic headphone the bass is remarkable. I've owned the HD800 and sold it because of the lack of bass extension. The HE1000 extends noticeably lower. However the impact is subdued, almost as if the drivers are restraining itself or don't have the excursion to push hard. At the same time the extension of the HE1000 provides a more solid foundation in bass heavy tracks that's noticeable and welcome. Neither headphone is perfect here, a combination of the Utopia punch, detail and texture with the extension of the HE1000 would be the winning combination.
 
Mids: Both are balanced and similar however the HE1000 has a warmth to the mids while the Utopia sounds neutral. The Utopia is very similar to my Mackie HR824 studio monitors. The sub bass extension of the HE1000 with warmer mids provide a nice tone, even if not as completely neutral as the Utopias. For generally listening I prefer a headphone on the warmer side and the HE1000 sits perfectly here.
 
Treble: I always liked the HE1000 treble, even if it can sound slightly peaky. It gives it a nice treble crunch and never sounds sibilant. The Utopia treble extends much further and is much more prominent in its sound. However it rarely sounds sibilant and is very smooth. I've read a review of the Utopia where someone mentioned it pushes 99.999% of the way to where it would be too much and sibilant but restrains itself at the edge. This is the perfect representation of the Utopia treble. The treble on the Utopia sounds distinct, sharp, and extremely clear. I've never had an issue with the treble on the HE1000 but compared with the Utopia its less extended, detailed and clear. Some of the apparent detail and clarity may be due to technical performance (speed, attack) and some may be due to the treble extension and emphasis.
 
Soundstage: I've considered the soundstage on the HE1000 to be perfect. I've owned the HD800 and considered the soundstage to be artificially wide and diffuse. I've never heard a headphone to have as perfect a soundstage for my tastes as the HE1000 and this still holds true. The soundstage on the Utopia is noticeably more closed in and in-your-head. This isn't an issue once you get accustomed to it but it's very apparent when switching between the two.
 
Imaging: This is where I've found the HE1000 to hold its strengths, even against the HD800 which has a wider soundstage but less pinpoint and more diffuse imaging. I've not heard a headphone compete with the HE1000 on imaging until the Utopias. While the Utopia has a smaller soundstage, I'd say the imaging is even more precise than the HE1000. Instruments are located in a smaller space but with more vivid and distinct placement.
 
Resolution: Both feel equally detailed but the Utopia presents the detail more vividly. Part of this is from the closer soundstage and extended and more apparent treble as described above and part of it is from the dynamism the Utopias have. The HE1000 is just as detailed but due to the softer attack and laid back nature are in less sharp relief. When listening to orchestral, or string guitars the HE1000 doesn't have the attack and dynamism to make things sound as real and present. The bite of strings or brass are a bit too soft in comparison to the sharp and vivid sound from the Utopia.
 
Clarity: The clean neutral frequency response, speed, dynamism and treble qualities make the Utopias the most clear headphones I've ever heard. Everything else sounds slightly hazy or muddy. This is also true compared with the HE1000. Some of this is purely due to frequency response. The HE1000 has extended bass, more bass foundation and a warmer tone. This creates a warmer atmosphere that tends to make it sound a bit hazy. I've never found this to be an issue and it's only in direct comparison with the Utopia where this is evident.
 
Build quality: Unlike many, I've never found an issue with the HE1000 build quality. However it never felt like a headphone worth its price in fit, finish details and solidity. My standard for build quality was the HD800 and the Utopia is just as good or better. The build quality of the Utopia is simply in a different class than the HE1000.
 
Comfort: Both are very good, but due to weight neither approaches the comfort of the HD800. The HE1000 takes a slight edge over the Utopia because it's lighter and the larger cups are less noticeable for hours of listening.
 
Overall: The Utopias have an unbeatable clarity, dynamism and punch. They sound very neutral and balanced and remind me of my studio monitors. On the other hand the bass extension compared to planars is lacking and the soundstage a bit small for my tastes. The HE1000 have an impressive soundstage and extension in bass however lack the dynamism, punch and attack of the Utopias. The attack and punch are their main shortcomings. It would be a very difficult decision if I had to choose only one, but I would still lean very slightly to the HE1000. Its deficiencies are slightly easier to live with. The Utopias are very impressive for concentrated listening however can be fatiguing for long working listening sessions where the impact and immediacy can become overwhelming. Still, I can see my opinion change day to day as the clarity and dynamism of the Utopias are unbeatable and I would miss it greatly if gone.
 
I've read some early reviews of the HE1000 v2 that claim they are more dynamic and less soft sounding. I hope to be able to do some direct comparisons between the HE1000 v1, v2 and Utopia and update this thread and review.
 
Oct 14, 2016 at 5:38 PM Post #3 of 146
@moshen
 
Nice comprehensive review. I've had a week in home with the V1 HEK and my remembrance of it is as you say. It was on my short list until Utopia was released and the hype train got a full head of steam up enticing me to wait. Especially to hear for myself  what the imaging situation is with the Focals. Comfort is another big concern, that's what put me off the Audeze's.
 
I've not been a fan of planar magnetics in general (even though I own PM-1's), but the HEK was as likeable as any others I've heard including my PM-1's and 2nd in comfort only to my HD800.
 
Comments on V2 aren't unanimously positive so far, a bit of a mixed bag. I hope you get some quality time with V2 to determine for yourself.
 
I'm looking forward to getting the Utopia for a audition, but could be a while.
 
Oct 14, 2016 at 5:53 PM Post #5 of 146
  @moshen
 
Nice comprehensive review. I've had a week in home with the V1 HEK and my remembrance of it is as you say. It was on my short list until Utopia was released and the hype train got a full head of steam up enticing me to wait. Especially to hear for myself  what the imaging situation is with the Focals. Comfort is another big concern, that's what put me off the Audeze's.
 
I've not been a fan of planar magnetics in general (even though I own PM-1's), but the HEK was as likeable as any others I've heard including my PM-1's and 2nd in comfort only to my HD800.
 
Comments on V2 aren't unanimously positive so far, a bit of a mixed bag. I hope you get some quality time with V2 to determine for yourself.
 
I'm looking forward to getting the Utopia for a audition, but could be a while.

 
Thanks! I don't think you'll have an issue with comfort with the Utopia, it's very comfortable. I can't deal with the weight and comfort of the Audezes for more than 20 minutes but have no problems with many hours with the Utopia & HE1000.
 
I hope to be able to try out the HEK v2 soon a well and make a good comparison.
 
Oct 14, 2016 at 8:18 PM Post #6 of 146
So it's all about preference. The bigger and more speaker-like/less in the head presentation of the HE1000 logically loses in impact compared to the Utopia. It's physics. At USD2000 in where I live, the HE1000 is a solid buy.
 
Oct 14, 2016 at 9:46 PM Post #7 of 146
So it's all about preference. The bigger and more speaker-like/less in the head presentation of the HE1000 logically loses in impact compared to the Utopia. It's physics. At USD2000 in where I live, the HE1000 is a solid buy.


I'm not sure that's true as the HD800 has an even wider soundstage and it has no loss in impact. It sounds quite dynamic compared to the HE1000 although without the bass extension. I agree with current headphone pricing the HE1000 at $2k is a solid buy if the sound meets your preferences. It does meet mine, it's a beautiful sounding headphone.
 
Oct 14, 2016 at 11:06 PM Post #8 of 146
The HE1000V2 improves on the areas of dynamics, bass and layering, from what it already had. The Utopia, is more closed sounding but I do get out of the head sound. The sound field with the HEKV2 is very obviously larger and totally different. They are, to me, so very different that there is no way not to have both and in that, you have 2 TOTL phones that an offer extremely enjoyable sound and an important view of the recording. 
 
Oct 15, 2016 at 4:21 AM Post #9 of 146
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I've read some early reviews of the HE1000 v2 that claim they are more dynamic and less soft sounding. I hope to be able to do some direct comparisons between the HE1000 v1, v2 and Utopia and update this thread and review.

 
great comparison, very well done!
 
Can I ask you which cable have you used on your V1 for this review? I can find my own sensation in your review, specifically for attack (the string example is perfect) and punch, when I was still using the stock cable.... When I changed to FAW Noir full copper, well... seems a different hp!! basically the same overall presentation (which I like very much, can tipically listen for hours) but when needed with punch, speed, dynamic and attack to die for. The only thing missing to my taste is a little bit more air in the upper spectrum, but I can easily live with this compared to the overall performance. 
 
Oct 15, 2016 at 4:45 AM Post #10 of 146
   
great comparison, very well done!
 
Can I ask you which cable have you used on your V1 for this review? I can find my own sensation in your review, specifically for attack (the string example is perfect) and punch, when I was still using the stock cable.... When I changed to FAW Noir full copper, well... seems a different hp!! basically the same overall presentation (which I like very much, can tipically listen for hours) but when needed with punch, speed, dynamic and attack to die for. The only thing missing to my taste is a little bit more air in the upper spectrum, but I can easily live with this compared to the overall performance. 


I'm using the stock cable on both the HEK & Utopia. I've personally never been able to hear a difference between good cables but have experimented with different cables with the HEK and for me it still retains the exact same character.
 
Oct 15, 2016 at 10:33 AM Post #12 of 146

@moshen
​Very good review and comparison! I agree with you on most aspects.
 
I had the chance to compare my HEK V1 with the Utopia lately, HEK with Silver Dragon V3 cable, Utopia with Black Dragon cable, both balanced on AK380Cu + Cu amp. Even with these other and different cables most of your findings are still valid. I like the Utopia too for its clarity and warmth, but it is not as easy going as the HEK and I miss HEK's large soundstage. So I will keep the HEK and HD800S too, instead of buying the Utopia.
 
Oct 15, 2016 at 2:03 PM Post #13 of 146
 
@moshen
​Very good review and comparison! I agree with you on most aspects.
 
I had the chance to compare my HEK V1 with the Utopia lately, HEK with Silver Dragon V3 cable, Utopia with Black Dragon cable, both balanced on AK380Cu + Cu amp. Even with these other and different cables most of your findings are still valid. I like the Utopia too for its clarity and warmth, but it is not as easy going as the HEK and I miss HEK's large soundstage. So I will keep the HEK and HD800S too, instead of buying the Utopia.


Thanks! Yea, I found the Utopia complementary to the HEK. Unfortunately. They are in many ways the HD800 I always wanted.
 
Oct 16, 2016 at 3:31 AM Post #14 of 146
I wonder if a earpad mod to the Utopias could increase it's soundstage (either increasing the distance from the listener or making the ear openings larger. Obviously you can't do much about the small earcups, but maybe the earpads can be modded.
 
Oct 20, 2016 at 10:53 PM Post #15 of 146
If the Utopia was priced at $2k, then I could forgive its lack of "perfection".
why I say "lack"? because if it is soo good, why wouldnt they make it sound more spacious?
why not if your almost there.
At current price they demand, I demand perfection and nothing less.
Lack of either Hd800, HEk, Abyss, or even LCD4 soundstage, is a choice I believe done on purpose.
I have seen this choice of smaller stage done similar with another open can, the Flow.
it is done for more immediate exciting sound, but this is not an accurate reproduction regardless.

Hmmm actually none of them are!
Lol
 

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