^ I agree with the first sentence. 

  Quote: I had no idea that doberman's were so smart. Nice post.  

Quote:   No, the frequency response graphs depict the results of the measurements taken and nothing more.  They are indicative of what we might hear when we listen to a headphone but they are not predictors for what we should or will actually hear, once the sound waves from the headphone...

Quote: Woof!  

  Quote: Indeed. Just as long as it doesn't keep me from the enjoyment of listening to music for too long.  

I think the point of Skylab's post is that the science surrounding the measurement of headphone performance is not conclusive. That's not to say that it isn't useful. Sound science has a role to play in this hobby but it should not be what defines it.   What do you rely upon to make an...

Congratulations Tom on rediscovering your music again. That's a lovely set-up you've got there. The PS1000 doesn't receive much love at Head-Fi I'm afraid. Being a Grado fan myself, it's a headphone that's been on my radar for several months now and I'm hoping to be able to audition it.  ...

Quote:   This is a refreshing post to read in these forum threads, where I feel some here place far too much faith in headphone measurements and point to them as the final arbiter for differences of opinion over inherently subjective listening impressions.             

^ Good for you. Now where was I...

I've enjoyed the derailment but that's just me.

Quote: Like you, I'm very conscious of derailing threads. I have an aptitude for it so I'm told.  There's no doubt in my mind that the LCD-2 produces impressive bass. I liked the LCD-2 as I've said repeatedly but on balance I'd have to give the nod to the electrostats over it. Though I...

^ I've compared these two Stax models and your impressions mirror my own.  

Laugh Out Loud!   Well you've been given the tools. Now go do some good with them citizen.

Quote: Like any other science and technology, audio technology and the testing and measuring of it should continue to evolve and improve whether you are aware of it or not.  Now are you quite sure that the methodologies and technology used for the measuring of headphone performance is...

Very interested in this discussion. Is the Joseph Grado HP1000 series also worthy of consideration in this thread? 

Quote:   So what is actually going on? How does Stax "objectively" measure up against the LCD-2 and the HD800? What is the basis for your scepticism of the claims made about the performance of Stax headphones?  I don't think that I've ever seen a frequency measurement graph for a Stax...

Quote:   I respect your approach sokolov91 but whether we have an interest in headphones or not, we all accept that if we jump off a bridge we will fall. Science has explained why this happens and it is irrefutable. We all accept that if we add two plus two together and come up with five...

Quote:   Indeed. So many variables to consider or ignore. It appears that we can't even agree upon the facts. Despite this, I think it's safe to say that the HD800 and LCD-2 both have bass. At least that's what my "memory and limited impressions" tell me.   

Quote:   Thanks for the advice kwkarth but I'm not at all worried; just participating in the discussion.   As good as they are, I won't be purchasing the LCD-2 or the HE-6. I am seriously considering purchasing a Stax system but not until I've auditioned the PS1000, which is a...

^ Well if it has to be a Grado ;-) then I'd also pick the PS1000. It's the Grado currently in production that I most want to hear .

Quote:   But did you hear them with the HA-160? The reason I ask is that the W5000 doesn't have to be paired with a tube amp in order to perform at its best as you suggest. The HA5000 amplifier that was manufactured for audio-technica to be mated with the W5000, is a solid state...

If you could only own "one" headphone would it necessarily be a Grado?

Quote: Bass went deep with both headphones to my ears but the LCD-2's bass was powerful and the HD800's polite. So yes, the LCD-2's bass was more prominent and visceral compared to the HD800; even if both do extend well beyond the limits of our hearing.   I can hazard a guess as to...

^ I found the ear pads of the T1 firmer than I'd like. The ear cups of the HD800 were oversized to the extent that the ear pads didn't actually touch my ears and felt too large on my head. The HD800 was the more comfortable headphone overall for me. Neither headphone felt as though it was...

Quote: Thanks again but have you actually heard the W5000 and any of the Grado's that I mentioned with the HA-160? I really am looking for listening impressions and opinions from those who have.