gnarlsagan
Headphoneus Supremus
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Man it'd be great if Rin would measure like 5 pairs of these. We need to find out more about them!
Man it'd be great if Rin would measure like 5 pairs of these. We need to find out more about them!
I only like M200 for when I'm in a basshead mood. The bass overpowers the rest of the spectrum so the vocals sound a bit recessed and are not airy. What tips are you using with them?
From experience I've known him to use logic and not be subject to exactly that "gold plated cryo" mentality. Therefore, from experience his opinion (to me) was more valid than one from that exact type of person you mentioned. I'm simply basing my opinion on the logical conclusions I made. I would say the same thing of you, if you explained the way you tested things and those methods ended up being the same objective way that gnarlsagan tests things from my experience.
I personally have no ego build-up-desire with this forum. I can't stand that sort of thing. That's exactly what I believe stems from the placebo based, price based, cryo cable nonsense that happens all too often. Not that there's anything wrong with buying whatever cable whacks your whammy, but to go on and tout its sonic benefits when there are none makes me sick. "this amp sounds better than that amp because it costs more", even though they measure identically. I call that nonsense unless a solid explanation of the differences can be verified to be true, which is almost never the case.
I was strictly speaking statistically. The number of people that have heard and described a similar sound is reasonable and the number of issues is pretty low currently and no disrespect intended, but mostly isolated to gnarlsagan. It's also hard to say how much variance is considered acceptable and what each user considers "noticeable". So again, logically based on that data, there is no way anyone can clearly say there are problems with the tenore. Can a pool of 10-20 people even be used as an accurate statistic? I say not really. I've had worse statistic variance/results purchasing things from different stores. Does that mean I can say anything statistically about them? Not really. Especially since here, most people are more critical about their gear, whether hearing a change or not, and more likely to comment about it.
Therefore, I don't believe any solid conclusion can be made so far, so why should I stop recommending them? I think the general sound, whether bassier or not, is described fairly consistently as being true to the tenore "tone", which in my opinion is better than every other iem I've heard. Therefore why wouldn't i recommend it? :-o The mh1 has nothing but "channel imbalance" issues plastered over the mh1 thread. I've ordered about 10 pairs now, most from different sources and never had even a single variance in the sound or imbalance. But again, statistically what is 10 people complaining about imbalance in a pool of thousands of users that we don't have data from? :-o
I'm not discounting the claims of variance at all. It may not seem like it, but I'm not trying to say you should ignore those claims. I'm just saying you need to look at everything all together in context, as a whole. Statistically, we have very little data. My very limited experience has only been positive. Gnarlsagan's experience has been at least somewhat negative. Therefore, I'm not going to jump to any statistical conclusions, but I will take everything he says seriously and just be aware that there might be an issue. I wouldn't dismiss that or any return issues when factoring in any purchase. I usually tell people more details than they even want to know. Ha. I even told one user who asked about the ebay seller I use, that he handles warranty claims for you, but you pay for shipping because the warranty isn't valid in the US, etc. etc. We live in a "buyer beware" society, which I think is sad. I prefer a full disclosure attitude personally.
O.k. o.k., I know this is getting long. End.
I admit I used your other post to get on my soap box about problems that I don't necessarily think you're guilty of. I'm glad you went on to dismiss your own initial attempt to suggest there was meaning in the statistical argument you presented. I'd be curious to know what would qualify as a deal-breaker to stop you from recommending the tenore.
Just for the sake of argument, if Rin were to test it and it showed to have a massive suckout in the audible spectrum, would you revise your opinion then? Because it seems that you're using your enjoyment of the IEM as the basis for your recommendation. The respected posters who continued to recommend seriously flawed IEMs used the exact same rationale. The fact they discovered the IEM had a suckout didn't alter their enjoyment.
I disagree on the issue of ego and the social effect of posting on head-fi. None of us are immune to it. Certainly none of us who post video review recommendations. Fact is, you're putting yourself out there when you do that and there's an automatic ego component. Not because you're a narcissist, but because you're human. You most certainly underestimate the social effect posting on head-fi has on your motivations, IMHO. Very hard to explain the behavior of ourselves as consumers here without acknowledging that component.
I'll be doing a little comparison of these two later today, or tomorrow.
Agree. I don't even use the ear guides; I put them straight up and away.
I only like M200 for when I'm in a basshead mood. The bass overpowers the rest of the spectrum so the vocals sound a bit recessed and are not airy. What tips are you using with them?
I'm forcing myself to listen to my tenores now, although I have my V3 for higher precision of details. I'm hoping it will get better magically.Not that it's crap phones, it beats everything in it's price range and a bit higher I think. It is clean sounding, and it does output most of the frequencies, doesn't sound it's dipping any part of of it, except the micro details. I need the micro details dammit! Give it to me, give it to me now! And some nano-details while it's at it.
I pray to the subjective gods of audiophiles to bring thy burn-in affect strongly to my Tenores so I can hear like a dog.
For all yall have too much bass. Stop complain like a baby and just use stock tips so it has less seal and tapers the bass.
I'm forcing myself to listen to my tenores now, although I have my V3 for higher precision of details. I'm hoping it will get better magically. Not that it's crap phones, it beats everything in it's price range and a bit higher I think. It is clean sounding, and it does output most of the frequencies, doesn't sound it's dipping any part of of it, except the micro details. I need the micro details dammit! Give it to me, give it to me now! And some nano-details while it's at it.
I pray to the subjective gods of audiophiles to bring thy burn-in affect strongly to my Tenores so I can hear like a dog.
For all yall have too much bass. Stop complain like a baby and just use stock tips so it has less seal and tapers the bass.