[zzffnn]

  low impedence headphones should be fine.  virtually all daps can handle that 

 
 

   
most inefficient headphones are othodynamic.... and the people who own them wont be trying to run them striaght from a dap

 
My point is, your previous blanket statement "low impedence headphones should be fine.  virtually all daps can handle that" is misleading. You have to consider sensitivity also. A newbie, without realizing how important sensitivity spec is, may buy an orthodynamic headphones thinking "low impedence headphones should be fine" out of a portable DAP. It should be impedance and orthodynamic by the way. 

 

[TekeRugburn]

   
 
 
My point is, your previous blanket statement "low impedence headphones should be fine.  virtually all daps can handle that" is misleading. You have to consider sensitivity also. A newbie, without realizing how important sensitivity spec is, may buy an orthodynamic headphones thinking "low impedence headphones should be fine" out of a portable DAP. It should be impedance and orthodynamic by the way. 

 
ty for the correction...it's always nice to have grammar perfectionists go over your writing.   
 
If a newbie buys a 1000+ dollar orthodynamic headphone and tries to run them from a 100 dollar dap.... he deserves it.  
 
You have to consider sensitivity also. A newbie, without realizing how important sensitivity spec is, may buy an orthodynamic headphone (remove the "s" it's not needed)  thinking "low impedence headphones should be fine" out of a portable DAP. It should be impedance and orthodynamic by the way. 

 

[AmberOzL]

Chaps, would you mind not fighting through this thread? I mean, I think it is better that we stop by our own will otherwise Anak or Currawong will make us stop.
 
I doubt that we want this thread to get locked or users get banned.

 

[sardar17]

   
ty for the correction...it's always nice to have grammar perfectionists go over your writing.   
 
If a newbie buys a 1000+ dollar orthodynamic headphone and tries to run them from a 100 dollar dap.... he deserves it.  
 
You have to consider sensitivity also. A newbie, without realizing how important sensitivity spec is, may buy an orthodynamic headphone (remove the "s" it's not needed)  thinking "low impedence headphones should be fine" out of a portable DAP. It should be impedance and orthodynamic by the way. 

i think u are wrong
low impedance is harder to drive than higher impedance and not vice -versa.
 
generally speaking impedance of a player should be one fifth or less of the headphone impedance to drive properly and considering average impedance of 3-4 of ipods and walkmans(not talking of high end stuff) u would beed a headphone with at least 20 ohm or higher to work at its peak.of course when impedance reaches more than 60-70 then again they cannot be drived properly from a dap.in a nutshell i was saying this for EARPHONES and not HEADPHONES.
 
yes sensitivity is imp too but more or less all have about 100-105 or more level and i am assuming sensitivity in this range in this scenario to isolate the effects of impedance.
 
 
 
 
 
folks,thats my understanding.if i am wrong pls point out.

 

[TekeRugburn]

i think u are wrong
low impedance is harder to drive than higher impedance and not vice -versa.

generally speaking impedance of a player should be one fifth or less of the headphone impedance to drive properly and considering average impedance of 3-4 of ipods and walkmans(not talking of high end stuff) u would beed a headphone with at least 20 ohm or higher to work at its peak.of course when impedance reaches more than 60-70 then again they cannot be drived properly from a dap.in a nutshell i was saying this for EARPHONES and not HEADPHONES.

yes sensitivity is imp too but more or less all have about 100-105 or more level and i am assuming sensitivity in this range in this scenario to isolate the effects of impedance.





folks,thats my understanding.if i am wrong pls point out.

Serious? Try driving a 600 ohm headphone from a ipod... See how well it sounds.

 

[sardar17]

Serious? Try driving a 600 ohm headphone from a ipod... See how well it sounds.

did u read what i said??
 
i said above 60-70 ohms its again difficult for a dap just like below 16-20 is
 
and i already clarified that this post was for earphones which won't go above 50-60 generally but some low impedance stuff like xba-1,2,3 can pop out once in a while

 

[TekeRugburn]

Lower impedance is easier to drive... Unless it's highly inefficient.

 

[sardar17]

Lower impedance is easier to drive... Unless it's highly inefficient.

i have read rule of one fifth in other places,pls confirm
 
thats why earphones below 12 or lower are just not driven with dap's having 3-4 impedance but clip+ with 1 can easily drive them
 
once again this stuff is complicated and apparently there another factors too.but whatever care must be taken not to take a risk and get something with such low impedance and cry later

 

[naturalliu]

  Hi, James -
 
You say the X1 will be Fiio's smallest DAP. What about the X7--will it be the biggest one?
 
Thanks,
Brian

here is the X series
http://img5.pcpop.com/ArticleImages/500x375/2/2991/002991270.jpg

 

[sardar17]

  here is the X series
http://img5.pcpop.com/ArticleImages/500x375/2/2991/002991270.jpg

if thats true i will be getting x1 on day one for sure
 
x3,5 and 7 are too big for me as i cannot compromise on portability.anyways i will never be using 24 bit files so there is really no point.

 

[davidsh]

Have a look at ultrasones models. Some of them are like 96 db/mW
Then look at sennheiser momentum. It's 110 db/mW

 

[joseisanewb012]

here is the X series
http://img5.pcpop.com/ArticleImages/500x375/2/2991/002991270.jpg

Wow! I like how they all look so different.
I'm thinking about getting the X1.
Everything mentioned sounds promising.

 

[SkyBleu]

This question may have been asked one too many times, but...when is the X1 being released?

 

[sardar17]

This question may have been asked one too many times, but...when is the X1 being released?

someone said june of next year,,,something like that

 

[gamefreak054]

Holy crap Fiio is really starting to pull out the big guns. They are going to have a dap for the super affordable, affordable, and decently affordable while having a decently solid amp and dac selection.
 
As a previous owner of a few fiio products, I gotta say this company is really starting to impress me.