[rb2013]

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Bob what are the VR#'s and date codes on your Miniwatts?

The Philips E188CC's are coded delta2E1 VR? and delta4G4 VR9.  Unfortunately, the VR number is unreadable on the first one.  I guess these are either '62's and '64's or '72's and 74's.
 
How do you tell if they're 60s or 70s?
 
I most pleased they are Herleen's with the delta factory codes - not bad for $68 a pr!

 

 

[ThurstonX]

The Philips E188CC's are coded delta2E1 VR? and delta4G4 VR9.  Unfortunately, the VR number is unreadable on the first one.  I guess these are either '62's and '64's or '72's and 74's.
 
How do you tell if they're 60s or 70s?
 
I most pleased they are Herleen's with the delta factory codes - not bad for $68 a pr!

 

 
From all the research I've done lately on the E188CCs, VR9 is almost certainly from the early 1970s.  Doesn't mean they won't sound good, though 

  It'll be interesting to see where they end up in your post-shootout list.  Yes, for $68 a great deal.

 

[rb2013]

   
From all the research I've done lately on the E188CCs, VR9 is almost certainly from the early 1970s.  Doesn't mean they won't sound good, though 

  It'll be interesting to see where they end up in your post-shootout list.  Yes, for $68 a great deal.

So I guess it's by the VR number you tell if they're 60's or 70's.
 
I was most pleased in seeing the delta's and that they tested good.  I was pissed on having to send those USN-CEP's back I bought for $100, after one failed testing.

 
BTW- How is the Sencor project going?

 

[billerb1]

 
From all the research I've done lately on the E188CCs, VR9 is almost certainly from the early 1970s.  Doesn't mean they won't sound good, though 

  It'll be interesting to see where they end up in your post-shootout list.  Yes, for $68 a great deal.

 


+1 on Thurston's take. The VR9 is certainly into the 70's. I think the mid to early 60's have more depth and resonance as a general rule but for $68 you're already ahead of the game. As I mentioned awhile ago, to my ears my best pair of 188CC Minis are mixed VR numbers. Go figure.

 

[rb2013]

 
 

 

[rb2013]

+1 on Thurston's take. The VR9 is certainly into the 70's. I think the mid to early 60's have more depth and resonance as a general rule but for $68 you're already ahead of the game. As I mentioned awhile ago, to my ears my best pair of 188CC Minis are mixed VR numbers. Go figure.

Hi, is there a way to tell the 60's from the 70's other then the VR codes?  For example construction or printing.  It looks like the printing of the 'E188CC' is a bit different on each of these.

 

[billerb1]

Hi, is there a way to tell the 60's from the 70's other then the VR codes?  For example construction or printing.  It looks like the printing of the 'E188CC' is a bit different on each of these.

 


Dunno Roberto. There are many variations of printing. The very earliest SQ's have 2 stars on either side of the "SQ". I've seen "pre-SQ" Miniwatts that probably date from around 1956. I'm not smart enough to know or notice different constructions other than the D vs O Getters...I think the last D Getters on the Minis were in 1960. Other than that the constructions all seem the same or very similar to me. Maybe others could help with this.

 

[rb2013]

 

  Hi, is there a way to tell the 60's from the 70's other then the VR codes?  For example construction or printing.  It looks like the printing of the 'E188CC' is a bit different on each of these.

 


Dunno Roberto. There are many variations of printing. The very earliest SQ's have 2 stars on either side of the "SQ". I've seen "pre-SQ" Miniwatts that probably date from around 1956. I'm not smart enough to know or notice different constructions other than the D vs O Getters...I think the last D Getters on the Minis were in 1960. Other than that the constructions all seem the same or very similar to me. Maybe others could help with this.

Thanks.  I'm still learning the nuances of the vintage Philips/Valvo/MiniWatts.  These are both O Getters.

 

[ThurstonX]

  Hi, is there a way to tell the 60's from the 70's other then the VR codes?  For example construction or printing.  It looks like the printing of the 'E188CC' is a bit different on each of these.

 
The change code is certainly your best bet.  If you see a 'D' getter, it's early 1960 or earlier.  Not sure about other internals of Philips, but Siemens seem to be a little easier, with changing getter posts, or the introduction of the stamped plate inside.  Teles are probably the toughest, if the printed code is wiped away.

 

[ThurstonX]

  Thanks.  I'm still learning the nuances of the vintage Philips/Valvo/MiniWatts.  These are both O Getters.

 
Philips changed the getter supports on some (e.g., 'A' frames for the ECC88s) in the early '70s, but it seems they didn't do that for the E188CCs (my 1976s look like those from the '60s).  I'm not sure about the E88CCs, but I can't recall seeing an 'A' frame.  Can't recall if Siemens used the 'A' frame on their E88CCs in the '70s... I know they switched to the skinny wire support.

 

[rb2013]

   
Philips changed the getter supports on some (e.g., 'A' frames for the ECC88s) in the early '70s, but it seems they didn't do that for the E188CCs (my 1976s look like those from the '60s).  I'm not sure about the E88CCs, but I can't recall seeing an 'A' frame.  Can't recall if Siemens used the 'A' frame on their E88CCs in the '70s... I know they switched to the skinny wire support.

Thanks!

 

[Guidostrunk]

If anyone is interested in some Voskhod 6n23p's , I have a pair of 77 Grey shields($40 shipped US) and a pair of 78 silver shields($50 shipped US). I was lucky enough to get a pair of 75 holy grails. PM me if anyone is interested. Thanks.

 

[Guidostrunk]

These tubes were purchased from headfi member , rb who has done extensive reviews on these tubes. Both sets have less than 30 hours on them.

If anyone is interested in some Voskhod 6n23p's , I have a pair of 77 Grey shields($40 shipped US) and a pair of 78 silver shields($50 shipped US). I was lucky enough to get a pair of 75 holy grails. PM me if anyone is interested. Thanks.

 

[sling5s]

These tubes were purchased from headfi member , rb who has done extensive reviews on these tubes. Both sets have less than 30 hours on them.

Too bad.  RB didn't have any so I purchased some Voskhod 6n23p from eBay.  Grey shield with single wire, early 70's. 

 

[Guidostrunk]

I have a pair of 77 Greys left. $40 shipped if you want them.

Too bad.  RB didn't have any so I purchased some Voskhod 6n23p from eBay.  Grey shield with single wire, early 70's.