[ilikepooters]

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Researching shipments from Spain... apparently it takes forever. Hopefully the tracking numbers don't work either.

 
How long has it been so far?

 

[Joong]

My Telefunkens arrived finally in good shape having gold pins?

To my ear, they are almost the same as Lorenz SEL PCC88 through HE5-LE

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[ilikepooters]

These Lorenz PCC88's on ebay..
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NOS-LORENZ-BWB-PCC88-TUBE-MATCHED-PAIR-for-6DJ8-6922-E88CC-MILITARY-ISSUED-/290848900203?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item43b7f2046b
 
The reviews quoted on there say they are almost identical to Tele's.
 
If that is the case i would sell the Telefunken's and roll in something different.
 
You could get a nice pair of Mullard gold pins which would have a different sound and still have plenty of money left.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PAIR-MULLARD-E88CC-VALVE-GOLD-PINS-DUAL-STAGE-HALO-GETTER-TESTED-/380618536181?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Valves_Vacuum_Tubes&hash=item589ea1f4f5

 

[Joong]

My teles might be Siemens 6922 because there is no <> marks and the cost was 160USD purchased from a German guy with very high reviews.
Maybe they need burning in for full capability?
 
Fellow head-fier suggested that they are Siemens.

 

[sceleratus]

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You could get a nice pair of Mullard gold pins which would have a different sound and still have plenty of money left.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PAIR-MULLARD-E88CC-VALVE-GOLD-PINS-DUAL-STAGE-HALO-GETTER-TESTED-/380618536181?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Valves_Vacuum_Tubes&hash=item589ea1f4f5

Those valves are a good value.  "SQ" High spec, 10,000 hour  for $100 USD
However one production date is Jun 66.  The other is Oct. 66.  Used.
It would be nice to know what "Tested Very Strong" means.  Quantifiably.
 
I still like em'
Also interesting...
These NOS Mullard (RTC's) E188CC's  probably 72's Matched. They have a slightly better spec than the E88CC
 
This buy it now is $120:  Listing #1
This buy it now is $185  Listing #2
 
 
But I much prefer the "O" getter to the dimple.
I bought the $120 set and asked for a description of the getters..... I know they aren't going to be 62's "O"s  

 
"HK_ " I looked at those 59' D, BB's from mercedesman a month ago and didn't pull the trigger.
Looked at them hard.  I have a lot of Philips and wanted to try something different.  I also have 60' 6922 D's
But, what a great price for those.  It's great to hear they sound sweet.
 
I think one  "top shelf" set from Mr. Scary's list and I'm hanging it up. 

 

[sceleratus]

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Do you make tube tester too?

yes.  It's going to be...... wait.... it might be able to test tubes.
I have to figure out the high voltage trans stuff and at the moment I don't get it.
It looks like an output trans with both secondaries and primaries (unbalanced) going into the test circuit.
 
Hello Jason........ throw me a bone...please...

 
I threw in the Lyr picture for fun.

 

[sceleratus]

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My teles might be Siemens 6922 because there is no <> marks and the cost was 160USD purchased from a German guy with very high reviews.
Maybe they need burning in for full capability?
 
Fellow head-fier suggested that they are Siemens.

Joong,
 
Give them time.  Those should sound sweet.
 
I have the Philips 7L9 USN-CEP 65' small O, and the Lorenz PCC88's.
In some respect the PCC88 sounds.... bigger.  The E88CC's.... more defined.  ( I have a hard time with this)
Two fine valves with different strengths.
 
Those are two that I would roll in and out finding music that plays to the strengths of each one.

 

[gerald410]

My universally scorned tubes have now arrived lol Matched Pair Reflector NOS Military 6N23P-EV/E88CC/6922/6... warming them up as we speak. I'm curious as to what I will get in terms of sound quality.

 

[ilikepooters]

I've been reading that the SEL Lorenz PCC88's were made with Phillips tooling, but they seem to be quite rare and can be expensive.
 
I reckon the Phillips PCC88's and SEL Lorenz PCC88's are one and the same, Phillips tubes are very cheap.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/260746635558?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
 
Seem to be Yugoslavian made, as are the SEL Lorenz.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-PCC88-7DJ8-PHILIPS-NOS-Tube-MATCHED-Valvola-Valvula-Rohre-Lampe-TSF-/250982457028?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a6fb85ec4

 

[ilikepooters]

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My universally scorned tubes have now arrived lol Matched Pair Reflector NOS Military 6N23P-EV/E88CC/6922/6... warming them up as we speak. I'm curious as to what I will get in terms of sound quality.

 
My guess would be lovely warm abundant bass, decent mids, layed back treble, and could possibly have good soundstage.
 
That's what i've read about them anyway.

 

[Joong]

My measuring frame is Mahler symphony 8 known as symphony of 1000 that requires an extended orchestra and 1,000 choir.
The amp should have higher enough resolution to sound properly.
 
I am troubling to differentiate between Telefunken and Lorenz.
 
Yes I should give Teles more time.

 
Thanks for your advice, Sceleratus.

 

[gerald410]

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My guess would be lovely warm abundant bass, decent mids, layed back treble, and could possibly have good soundstage.
 
That's what i've read about them anyway.

At 1st listen they seem to have more bass then these 2 matched 1972-75 Amperex A-Frame 6DJ8 ECC88 tubes but arent quite as airy. Neither tubes are close to being broken in less the 5 hours on each. Good call ilikepooters!

 

 

[sceleratus]

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I've been reading that the SEL Lorenz PCC88's were made with Phillips tooling, but they seem to be quite rare and can be expensive.
 
I reckon the Phillips PCC88's and SEL Lorenz PCC88's are one and the same, Phillips tubes are very cheap.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/260746635558?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
 
Seem to be Yugoslavian made, as are the SEL Lorenz.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-PCC88-7DJ8-PHILIPS-NOS-Tube-MATCHED-Valvola-Valvula-Rohre-Lampe-TSF-/250982457028?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a6fb85ec4

Got mine from Olga.  I paid $68 including shipping.
Mine look different than eBay listing stating Yugo...
 
I don't know German codes.  So I can only say these are mid 60's because they have "o" getters.
I may be wrong that "O"'s weren't used in the 70's but that's my current belief.
Anyway they sound grand and I think they are the real deal.  If not.  They still sound amazing.
I looked for Lorenz in the Phillips Codes Book and didn't see them.  Lots of others though.
 
 

 

 

 

[sceleratus]

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My measuring frame is Mahler symphony 8 known as symphony of 1000 that requires an extended orchestra and 1,000 choir.
The amp should have higher enough resolution to sound properly.
 
I am troubling to differentiate between Telefunken and Lorenz.
 
Yes I should give Teles more time.

 
Thanks for your advice, Sceleratus.

I hope they work.  They weren't cheap.... but I don't think you over paid.
Again,  I have to get a handle on the German codes before I buy any.
There's good material 50+ pages back.

 

[gmahler2u]

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yes.  It's going to be...... wait.... it might be able to test tubes.
I have to figure out the high voltage trans stuff and at the moment I don't get it.
It looks like an output trans with both secondaries and primaries (unbalanced) going into the test circuit.
 
Hello Jason........ throw me a bone...please...

 
I threw in the Lyr picture for fun.

Do you like amperex tubes?