tinyman392
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PLEASE READ THE EDIT. THE EQ FOR THE GREY FILTER IS THE ETYMOTIC GREY FILTER. THE ETYMOTICS DO COME WITH A 1500 OHM FILTER THAT IS GREEN THAT MATCHES THE GREEN FILTER KNOWLE'S USES. HOWEVER, THE GREYS DIFFER GREATLY. IF YOU GET GREY KNOWLE'S FILTERS, YOU'LL SEE A TREBLE SPIKE!!!
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Increase of resistance never increases anything. It decreases something. In order to create treble mosnters, you have to decrease the bass. There is no Knowle's Filter that will do that. That said, I want to know what the OP is using on the MCs to generate "bass monsters".
That said, if you want to "test the filters" (grey and green), you can actually use some handy EQs. These are rough EQs to give you a general idea of what something will sound like. In order for these EQs to work, you must ensure your Etymotic has no filters in them (HF5s, for example, come with green filters). The EQs can be defined as follows:
So the EQs are below (as I calculated them). They are rough estimates good within 1 dB:
Green filter:
1 kHz = 0 dB (first anchor)
2.3 kHz = -3 dB
3.1 kHz = 0 dB (another anchor)
5 kHz = -5.3 dB
8 kHz = 0 dB (another anchor)
10-11 kHz = -2 dB
12 kHz = 0 dB (final anchor)
Grey filter:
1 kHz = 0 dB (first anchor)
2.3 kHz = -9 dB
3.1 kHz = -2 dB
5 kHz = 13 dB
8 kHz = -2 dB
9 kHz = 0 dB (anchor)
10 -11 kHz = -2 dB
12 kHz = 0 dB (final anchor)
First and final anchors are used to segregate out the are that will be damped. Then the added anchors are where there is no change between no filter and filter. Additionally, I have included and EQ for the HF5 (with green filters install) if you put in the grey filter. Since the MCs come with green filters as well, this will also be the conversion to the greys for the MCs as well:
1 kHz = 0 dB (first anchor)
2.3 kHz = -6 dB
3.1 kHz = -1.5 dB
5 kHz = -7 dB
8 kHz = 0 dB (anchor)
10-11 kHz = -2 dB
12 kHz = 0 dB (final anchor)
This last one will only work if you are using an Etymotic with its original green filters!!! It is not recommended that you use any IEM without it's filters for an extended amount of time as it allows debris to get into the driver chamber.
That said, I have tested the EQ with the HF2s I have. The result is a much warmer sound with veiling bass. They aren't bass monsters, the quantity being around the same amount the between the Westone W4 and UE900s (so around a perceived 5-6 dB bump as opposed to a 2 dB bump that you normally get). Sub-bass presence becomes a little better. However, you end up with a muffled sound similar to the Phonak green filters have on the single driver PFEs. Details are lost in a major format. The end result is like my transition from the ASG-1 1.0/1.1 to ASG-1 1.2. A big increase in bass (which is more preferred) with a loss in the higher mids and highs. This damage isn't as much, but you lose detailing to an extreme level. I don't recommend going with the grey filters.
****IMPORTANT EDIT****
This EQ was made comparing Etymotic grey filters to Etymotic green filters (the greens are the same though for Knowles and Etymotic). The greys don't look that way. I'll make the EQs for the other dampers soon
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Nope. The other way. You increase resistance to get more bass.
I'm trying to see if I can create "Treble Monsters."*The grey filters (330) to my understanding, would do that.
*For no reason other than to see if I can...
EDIT: Alright, I'm done playing with the edit button...
EDIT #42: I lied.
Increase of resistance never increases anything. It decreases something. In order to create treble mosnters, you have to decrease the bass. There is no Knowle's Filter that will do that. That said, I want to know what the OP is using on the MCs to generate "bass monsters".
That said, if you want to "test the filters" (grey and green), you can actually use some handy EQs. These are rough EQs to give you a general idea of what something will sound like. In order for these EQs to work, you must ensure your Etymotic has no filters in them (HF5s, for example, come with green filters). The EQs can be defined as follows:
- f(EQ) = f(filter) - f(black)
So the EQs are below (as I calculated them). They are rough estimates good within 1 dB:
Green filter:
1 kHz = 0 dB (first anchor)
2.3 kHz = -3 dB
3.1 kHz = 0 dB (another anchor)
5 kHz = -5.3 dB
8 kHz = 0 dB (another anchor)
10-11 kHz = -2 dB
12 kHz = 0 dB (final anchor)
Grey filter:
1 kHz = 0 dB (first anchor)
2.3 kHz = -9 dB
3.1 kHz = -2 dB
5 kHz = 13 dB
8 kHz = -2 dB
9 kHz = 0 dB (anchor)
10 -11 kHz = -2 dB
12 kHz = 0 dB (final anchor)
First and final anchors are used to segregate out the are that will be damped. Then the added anchors are where there is no change between no filter and filter. Additionally, I have included and EQ for the HF5 (with green filters install) if you put in the grey filter. Since the MCs come with green filters as well, this will also be the conversion to the greys for the MCs as well:
1 kHz = 0 dB (first anchor)
2.3 kHz = -6 dB
3.1 kHz = -1.5 dB
5 kHz = -7 dB
8 kHz = 0 dB (anchor)
10-11 kHz = -2 dB
12 kHz = 0 dB (final anchor)
This last one will only work if you are using an Etymotic with its original green filters!!! It is not recommended that you use any IEM without it's filters for an extended amount of time as it allows debris to get into the driver chamber.
That said, I have tested the EQ with the HF2s I have. The result is a much warmer sound with veiling bass. They aren't bass monsters, the quantity being around the same amount the between the Westone W4 and UE900s (so around a perceived 5-6 dB bump as opposed to a 2 dB bump that you normally get). Sub-bass presence becomes a little better. However, you end up with a muffled sound similar to the Phonak green filters have on the single driver PFEs. Details are lost in a major format. The end result is like my transition from the ASG-1 1.0/1.1 to ASG-1 1.2. A big increase in bass (which is more preferred) with a loss in the higher mids and highs. This damage isn't as much, but you lose detailing to an extreme level. I don't recommend going with the grey filters.
****IMPORTANT EDIT****
This EQ was made comparing Etymotic grey filters to Etymotic green filters (the greens are the same though for Knowles and Etymotic). The greys don't look that way. I'll make the EQs for the other dampers soon