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It looks like the PR401 probably wouldn't be for me. I thought flat cables were supposed to be good with tangling however so I find that being a con to be somewhat odd.
Nice review of the ECCIPR401. I'm wondering though, from a purely personal perspective, ignoring technical proficiency, how do you like it vs your much loved m2? And based upon the review, can I assume you finally have the fx700 in your possession?
Thanks for getting a review of the ECCI PR401 up so quickly, ljokerl.. I really appreciate it (and I'm sure LendMeYourEars.com does too.. I just ordered them).. prodding you further.. how does the 401's detail, instrument separation, and balance/neutrality stack up to the 590? While the 590 is quite even across the freq range (if not being ever so slightly mid-forward) it sounds like the ECCI is ever so slightly v shaped.. are the mids recessed enough to affect detail in vocals and instruments in that range?
The 590s & 401s actually sound like they share a lot of the same characteristics, but could also be somewhat complimentary to each other with the the they render mids..
Thanks again..
@joker,
This is what I don't like about this thread. I didn't have to know about ECCI PR401. Must resist. You really should not have mentioned FX700 in the comparison. Just saying!
While it may be like comparing apple to an orange, how would you compare Silver Bullets to ECCI PR401? SB is something I wanted to try for sometime now, just trying to decide between the two.
ANYWAYS sorry, long story short I've been in the market, browsing head-fi, just doing my research on my next set... but I want them to be the perfect start to my "head-fi" career. I am looking for something that reminds me of the days testing out systems with my brother, feeling the bass in my chest but without the lows crossing over to the mids. I would like to have a great bass but detailed at the same time to where when I am designing or working out I could be in my own little world.
My favorite genres are:
Techno (BT, Armin Van Buuren, Infected Mushroom, and Deadmau5 ... to name a few)
Rap (Lil Boosie, Outkast, Kesha)
Some Classical (Rachmaninoff, Tchaikovsky, Saint-Saens, ect)
For under $100 (yeah I know, tall order)
Tell me if I'm wrong in my two top picks for this order:
Either:
Fischer Audio Eterna's ver1
-or-
Hippo VB
And additional IEM recommendations are welcomed! As I am, again, a newb!
It looks like the PR401 probably wouldn't be for me. I thought flat cables were supposed to be good with tangling however so I find that being a con to be somewhat odd.
Quote:Nice review of the ECCIPR401. I'm wondering though, from a purely personal perspective, ignoring technical proficiency, how do you like it vs your much loved m2? And based upon the review, can I assume you finally have the fx700 in your possession?
I think about equally - that is to say, a lot. The treble emphasis and space of the PR401 are right up my alley. I think that the PR401 is more of a compliment to the M2, one being slightly recessed in the midrange and the other slightly forward. And yes, I have a loaner FX700 (courtesy of Inks so you can all thank him) this week.
Quote:Thanks for getting a review of the ECCI PR401 up so quickly, ljokerl.. I really appreciate it (and I'm sure LendMeYourEars.com does too.. I just ordered them).. prodding you further.. how does the 401's detail, instrument separation, and balance/neutrality stack up to the 590? While the 590 is quite even across the freq range (if not being ever so slightly mid-forward) it sounds like the ECCI is ever so slightly v shaped.. are the mids recessed enough to affect detail in vocals and instruments in that range?
The 590s & 401s actually sound like they share a lot of the same characteristics, but could also be somewhat complimentary to each other with the the they render mids..
Thanks again..
Both the iM-590 and PR401 have pretty high levels of detail but I think the PR401 has slightly better, or at least more pronounced, layering and a deeper stage. Balance-wise the iM-590 "wins", having more forward mids, but the PR401 is not affected negatively by its mildly v-shaped balance.
Quote:@joker,
This is what I don't like about this thread. I didn't have to know about ECCI PR401. Must resist. You really should not have mentioned FX700 in the comparison. Just saying!
While it may be like comparing apple to an orange, how would you compare Silver Bullets to ECCI PR401? SB is something I wanted to try for sometime now, just trying to decide between the two.
Ha, I wasn't trying to hook you - I swear!
SB is more balanced and a little more refined than the PR401. PR401 has a bit more bass and a bit more lower treble than the SB but not so much that it sounds 'peaky' - it's still a pretty smooth earphone. I think that if the PR401 is an entry-level FX700, the SB is more like the Turbine Pro Gold or even IE7 (though not nearly as boring as the latter).
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ANYWAYS sorry, long story short I've been in the market, browsing head-fi, just doing my research on my next set... but I want them to be the perfect start to my "head-fi" career. I am looking for something that reminds me of the days testing out systems with my brother, feeling the bass in my chest but without the lows crossing over to the mids. I would like to have a great bass but detailed at the same time to where when I am designing or working out I could be in my own little world.
My favorite genres are:
Techno (BT, Armin Van Buuren, Infected Mushroom, and Deadmau5 ... to name a few)
Rap (Lil Boosie, Outkast, Kesha)
Some Classical (Rachmaninoff, Tchaikovsky, Saint-Saens, ect)
For under $100 (yeah I know, tall order)
Tell me if I'm wrong in my two top picks for this order:
Either:
Fischer Audio Eterna's ver1
-or-
Hippo VB
And additional IEM recommendations are welcomed! As I am, again, a newb!
I think that if bass is what you're after you picked the right two IEMs. What it comes down to is the type of bass you like - the conventional kind of the Eternas or the sub-bass heavy balance of the VBs. The VBs certainly let the bass affect the rest of the sound less but are also missing the mid-bass hump usually associated with bass-heavy audio gear.
Quote:It looks like the PR401 probably wouldn't be for me. I thought flat cables were supposed to be good with tangling however so I find that being a con to be somewhat odd.
I was surprised as well but I haven't spent as much time untangling an earphone since I had the Senn CX300. Most manufacturers are certainly paying more attention to that nowadays either making thick cables that don't tangle (Meelec, ViSang/Brainwavz, Fischer) or slippery ones that untangle easily.
so joker is the fx700 gonna get a 10/10? imo its around 9.75/10 because of the short cord...
Really? I almost bought the FX700 BECAUSE it has the short cord! I hate long cords when I have my ipod in my breast pocket! The poor isolation is the weakness of the FX700 imho...
So there is no actual "mid hump" in the VB's at all? If there is only sub-bass and no mid-bass hump, why would it be classified as a "Basshead" phone?
Sorry I'm just a little confused and new to this.
I don't understand this... my Visang R02 keep alternating between good and 'eh'. One time I'll use them and think "Did they always sound this good?", then the next time I use them I'll end up thinking "What happened to the sound quality I was getting with these yesterday?". Maybe they're very genre specific? I don't know what to think.
I don't understand this... my Visang R02 keep alternating between good and 'eh'. One time I'll use them and think "Did they always sound this good?", then the next time I use them I'll end up thinking "What happened to the sound quality I was getting with these yesterday?". Maybe they're very genre specific? I don't know what to think.
Its your brain. Those things have more of a tendency to be faulty than mechanical equipment..
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I don't understand this... my Visang R02 keep alternating between good and 'eh'. One time I'll use them and think "Did they always sound this good?", then the next time I use them I'll end up thinking "What happened to the sound quality I was getting with these yesterday?". Maybe they're very genre specific? I don't know what to think.