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Headphoneus Supremus
Chill out and listen to whatever floats your boat - this ain't a football forum guys
Peace.
(J3 rips ipod btw
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Peace.
(J3 rips ipod btw
All well and good mate, but you're using the very same iPod Classic I had recently and which sounds utterly craptastic next to the Cowon J3 I now have.
But then again, I am being a really naughty boy and "resorting to distorting the sound with electronic or digital colourisation" by pressing some of the buttons on the J3's screen. '''''" '
if the ability to EQ is the sign of a poorly designed piece of equipment then virtually every portable music player out there is a pile of crap, including the Classic. If you choose not to use those very options your iPod has built in then that's your choice, but it doesn't make you any more or less of an audiophile than the next man. In fact, I bet you a fiver if the Classic came with the same 20 preset choices not to mention 5 band semi-parametric equalister, a host of JetEffect 3 and BBE+ tweaks and 4 saveable custom slots for your own experiments, you'd be straight in with your sticky fingers, like a kid in a candy shop.
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Wow guys. I am just trying to put the other side of the argument! You EQ guys are passionate about it being fine to EQ and that it is not a sign of a poorly designed piece of source equipment!
My point is and always will be that it is unfair to come to a conclusion about a comparison between source equipment when you colour it with eq that is not comparable to another piece of source equipment.
Surely it is fair to compare when each piece is in it's un EQ'ed state. That must tell us more accurately how fundamentally good or bad the source equipment is!
If you then want to EQ it after to shape your preferred sound, fine, that is what I am doing after the fact with my headphones amp and cable and is what most folks who are passionate about good sound do with home hifi without resorting to distorting the sound with electronic or digital colourisation which is what eq'ing is after all.
The argument has stood the test of time in HiFi and I don't see why the same parameters should not apply to DAP's as it would give us a much more informed view on what is a truly well designed player!
We know you EQ guys like that, fine and dandy! But there are a lot of us that think it means an unfair comparison for the reasons I have stated. I guess it is just two worlds who won't find common ground.. Again that has been the case in HiFi for decades!
...In fact, I bet you a fiver if the Classic came with the same 20 preset choices not to mention 5 band semi-parametric equalister, a host of JetEffect 3 and BBE+ tweaks and 4 saveable custom slots for your own experiments, you'd be straight in with your sticky fingers, like a kid in a candy shop.
Quote:...In fact, I bet you a fiver if the Classic came with the same 20 preset choices not to mention 5 band semi-parametric equalister, a host of JetEffect 3 and BBE+ tweaks and 4 saveable custom slots for your own experiments, you'd be straight in with your sticky fingers, like a kid in a candy shop.
Not necessarily. Some of us Rockbox our iPods/iMods which gives us access to an excellent equaliser (the best that the open source community has been able to create over the years - and I would take that depth and committment over any manufacturer for programing skills). Yet many of us keep it naked. Different approaches...
Quote:...In fact, I bet you a fiver if the Classic came with the same 20 preset choices not to mention 5 band semi-parametric equalister, a host of JetEffect 3 and BBE+ tweaks and 4 saveable custom slots for your own experiments, you'd be straight in with your sticky fingers, like a kid in a candy shop.
Not necessarily. Some of us Rockbox our iPods/iMods which gives us access to an excellent equaliser (the best that the open source community has been able to create over the years - and I would take that depth and committment over any manufacturer for programing skills). Yet many of us keep it naked. Different approaches...
As for flat vs flat argument - I'd say the J3 probably sounds about the same as the Classic on that basis, if not slightly better. But then who really cares when you can distort the f*ck out of it and make the thing ride your ears to heaven? If you could pimp the Classic like that, then you'd be talking.
Quote:...In fact, I bet you a fiver if the Classic came with the same 20 preset choices not to mention 5 band semi-parametric equalister, a host of JetEffect 3 and BBE+ tweaks and 4 saveable custom slots for your own experiments, you'd be straight in with your sticky fingers, like a kid in a candy shop.
Not necessarily. Some of us Rockbox our iPods/iMods which gives us access to an excellent equaliser (the best that the open source community has been able to create over the years - and I would take that depth and committment over any manufacturer for programing skills). Yet many of us keep it naked. Different approaches...
Yes, but you can't Rockbox any gen of iPod past the 4th, can you?
I didn't read through the entire thread, but I want to note:
Anything with a hard disk is non-audiophile. My Zune 80 makes a ton of noise due to the hard disk spinning up, drawing power from the battery, and the battery giving slightly less energy to the amplifier. In theory and in practice, this is audible, at least with my UE-11's. I has the same problem with the iPod 5.5g 80GB, and to a lesser extent with an Archos 605 Wifi.
While this problem may not be audible with your rig (or ears), it means a hard disk makes for a non-audiophile product. Therefore, I can't claim the iPod Classic being the ultimate iPod. The iPod Touch 4g 64GB would be the ultimate then, at least for actual iPods, since it has the same audio-out chip as the iPhone 3GS (my personal favorite iOS product) and no 3G radio to give possible interference.
All in all for all DAPs, the Cowon D3 is looking very, very good. That's all I can say.