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how much better would you say the re-600 is compared to the re-400 ?
also , since i have re-400 and re-272 , would acquiring re-600 be a luxury or a necessity ?
It's almost just about a complete step up (I wouldn't call this a side upgrade) if you're looking for things from the technical musical standpoint. If you are looking for true neutral accuracy, it would be a step down in the treble, wash in the mids, up in the bass... Then again, the RE-272 measures more neutral than any of them
I haven't heard the RE-272, so I do suggest you wait before upgrading though until someone who has
both in hand can compare them (avoid comparisons from memory as they tend to skew, I don't think I need to say that, but will anyways).
The question becomes, how large of an upgrade qualifies as being worth 300 dollars.
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Makes sense. I couldn't get a feel for that in my short listen so good to know.
When I say something like I did in my last post, I try to ignore that damn graph James posted recently in the ASG-2 thread lol.
They still hold the HiFiMan signature, keep that in mind. The differences are there, but minute if you aren't accustomed to the RE-400 signature (or RE-600).
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Sweet! If I may ask, is this a HiFiMAN demo unit, so my own RE600 loan tour will be redundant?
Thanks for your detailed impressions! Tbh, I was wondering why you didn't apply for the RE600 loan tour... now I know!
Btw, care to eleborate which of the described differences (that the graph readers didn't get) were shown in the measurements?
Lol guys, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, that was just one example of how people may indeed hear differently, not a general rule.
Oh, and of course your impressions will at least matter to everyone who's established a common reference point, e.g. by hearing a phone you both own similarly.
This is a HiFiMan sample, yes. And that was the reason why I didn't apply. Your loan tour will still be of use, more impressions can always be useful in a tour.
The differences I described are all actually in the graphs that Tyll took. So the readers did get it, but they didn't get that interpretation that I gave (subjectively). What I meant was that Tylls graphs can be used to support my subjective impressions (bass, mids, and treble). Inks decided to focus on the treble, two small areas of Tyll's graphs, the 6-9 kHz region on the left driver and a spike at the 13-15kHz (?). This is where he got the statement that the RE-400 has less treble. The issue is that it was only in one driver.
The graphs do show a bump in the upper midrange (1-2kHz region) which would account for my vocals being more dynamic. The bass is bumped 1-2 dB going from the RE-400 to RE-600 (as measured by Tyll) would do the slight presence increase. I feel the midrange change is the most noticeable, it's what slams you right away. The one thing that isn't explained too well on the graph is the refined midrange clarity I heard in the RE-600...
Keep in mind, these are initial impressions, but they do look promising. I'm going to let these burn in and let the new toy feeling wear off and give full impressions later (at least 1 week in the future
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EDIT: I'm adding in a tidbit on the tips included with the RE-600 that I got. It's actually quite a few tips. Although, after tip rolling, I'm sticking with the same, filter-bar'd, single-flange tip.
Picture isn't the best quality, it's tough getting clear tips to show up properly on a white background anyways
Top row (from left to right): 2 Small bullet single-flange, 2 Medium single-flange*, 2 Medium Asymmetrical**, 2 Comply Foam Medium, 2 Comply Foam Large.
Bottom Row (from left to right): 4 Small Dual flange***, 4 Small Filter-bar'd Single Flange***, 2 Small Hybrid Single-Dual Flanged****, 2 Large Dual-Flanged***
*Shaped like a UE tip.
**Shaped like the tips found on the original Apple IEM (non-dual driver)
***Originals Included with the RE-400
****This is an odd tip that looks like a dual-flange with the front and rear flange actually connected to create one flange.
If you have any questions about the tips, please let me know. If you want more pictures, let me know, I'll try to get better ones tomorrow.