Headphones for metal music - ultimate solution
Nov 7, 2014 at 6:12 PM Post #271 of 12,295
  Great thread!
I cant listen to most Black Metal anymore after really getting into audio quality ....it feels like someone is scratching inside my ears with sandpaper. I never noticed it before (althought the Dragonfly DAC is prob not helping tbh)
I can only tolerate it with my Fostex but i have tweaked them towards listening to metal...
I was thinking about maybe getting some HD600/650s eventually to make it more tolerable mostly for my girlfriend who suffers from hyperacusis  (high sensitivity to high freq)
I heard they are quite "dark" sounding which might be a big more comfortable on the ears when it comes to most metal?
I would love to try some of your suggestions though...especially the Shure SRH840 and Denon D600s

i have the shure, their fine, demo;d the hd600 for a week and they are (imo) much from heaven with black metal. but at the end bought he500, and i'm glad i did that.
he-500 and hd600 are another league.
 
Nov 8, 2014 at 2:47 AM Post #273 of 12,295
Shure SRH840 work for me because they have noticeably elevated passive isolation which adds to proper detail listening of individual instruments... Plus I got them for $70.00 USD 
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Nov 11, 2014 at 8:09 AM Post #274 of 12,295
Two more reviews added - Stax 009 and 007MK2
Added Audeze LCD-3 (old and fazors), Mr. Speakers Mad Dog, Ultrasone Signature DJ, Focal Spirit Pro to spreadsheet.
Started revision of "The Best" marks for top level headphones. 
"The Best" = "A"
"Very Best" = "A+"
"Gods" = "A+++"
 
Stax 009
We welcome one more headphones which talents lie outside metal genres. Alas, Stax SR-009 for me are among "great, but non-metal headphones". It's rather sad for the person spoiled by a bass volume of many of top contemporary dynamic and isodynamic cans to find such a problem, actually the only problem, in a supertop headphones. 009 just don't provide enough of bass pressure for metal. Other technical parameters of 009 surely bypass most of competitors. 
 
Couple of words about technical performance. I listened 009 with Wooaudio WES (tubes used - Tesla EL34, Sylvania 6SL7GT). Also tried 009 on Headamp KGSS, but its powerful and brawny character, considerably concealed pluses of 009, but but could not cope to conceal the only minus (bass performance). With WES 009 possess the stunning, huge scene. Exciting, detailed, with no trace of fatiguing brightness. Natural, stunningly realistic mids, originally - dead neutral, with tubes used - slightly warm. A bass - fast, detailed, extended, but compared to many top cans, not too large in volume.
 
That was pleasant on metal:
Progressive: Slightly pale, but nevertheless extremely impressive reflection of abilities 009 to play a prog-rock (The genre created for headphones, the headphones created for a genre. Behind each turn, the new line - an invariable new portion of endorphins. Wide, airy. Ideal contact of 009 signature with music material.)  …
Heavy Metal: The vocal hypnotizes and moves you far beyond. Instrumental parts flow like clouds in the sky. Above than "simply perfect". But shoot me at my foot - it seems that it's is possible to perform Hard Rock even better.
Symphonic: Symphonic and vocal fragments are at such a level… The endorphin volume quite replaces the easiest failure of the drive (compared to 007). Better than many of the best, but not absolute top perhaps.
Goth: And this is perhaps not "simply the best", but "the best of the best". The abundance of voice parts allows to clear up, reveal in the full grew key pluses, generally slow tempo with no need in bass shock doesn't allow minus to creep out.
 
That was pleasant less:
Industrial: Pressure of a metal wall has to smear you methodically on a floor. Doesn't smear. There is no massage of liver on the infra-bass.
Sludge, Stoner: Where power and light-hearted enthusiasm are necessary - 009 give in, alas. Lack of bass pressure and lack of crazy energy.
Power: Technically perhaps quite okay - soundstage is wide, the vocal is great, a lack of a bass isn't too bad. But atmosphere... 009 play too serious and even for Power metal.
Black: Very precise and accurate. But bomehow toy-like... On a bass - as if you you look at the tiny dwarfs through magnifying glass. But it supposed to be a terrible giant, arousing fear.
Death: Impressions on Black repeated. The little man behaves violently representing the titan.
Grindcore: Accurately, but not impactful enough. Filigree, but not brutal. Seemingly razor-sharp, but razor doesn't cut a throat.
Doom: Not so bad as could follow from abstract bass volume shortage analysis. The bass after all has excellent extent, the infra-bass is present. But the level of low frequency fat is really low to recreate impressive Doom atmosphere.
Alternative: Technically everything is almost okay, but for top top level cans - not ideal. Not enough of slam, not so desperate as in other metal subgenres, but nevertheless. Lack of "spark", 009 play too even and true.
 
Grand total. If the considerable part of music preferences of yours consusts of nonmetallic genres, with a highest probability minuses noted in the review can be irrelevant for you. It is possible to ignore them safely and to considet 009 best cans for metal also. If there is no wish or it is impossible for you to ignore more bass-heavy dynamic/orthodynamic cans, alas, in my opinion - 009 on metal are niche players, one of the of the best however for these niches.
 
Stax 007MK2
On non-metal genres I listened 007 on WES, on a meatal - KGSS. Alas, on both amplifiers there was a feeling that 007 are under-amplified. On non-metal genres with WES such a feeling perhaps even makes the certain flavour, that a right for existence. KGSS plays fast and powerful metal better, than WES, but... Impression that 007 can play better, much better does not leave me.
 
KGSS + 007 have well controlled, dense bass. Euphoric electrostatic air on  mids and highs is blown off a bit - welcome to solidstate amplification. Mids of 007 are a little more flat compared to 009. The soundstage is much less, than 009's scene. But, the most amusing - 007's minuses manage to turn to pluses on some genres. 
 
Joy:
Heavy Metal: If 009 were made as lethal weapon for progressive rock, 007 MK2 were created as hard rock lethal weapon. Add some more of "meat", "brutality" and even reduced soundstage (in comparison with 009) - everything in 007 sound signature develops in pluses on a genre, realizing outstanding result.
Doom: Somewhat unexpected. Strangely enough, even on going to an overload (hello, Monolord) 007 don't give in neither on density nor on power. The pure mids gives special, fauvorable for Doom flavour.
Sludge, Stoner: Genre is a mix of Doom and Heavy metal and so are results.
Alternative: Well. The vocal fascinates in an ordinary electrostatic manner. PRAT drives. The bass slam is more than enough for the genre. Above than "an average excellent".
Thrash: If cans are magnificent on vigorous rock, is it the reason to give them top marks for every rock-ish genre? On Thrash - definitely. Energy whips, speed impresses, detail level id striking, but not straining.
 
Grieve:
Black, Death, Grindcore: I listened 007 on Black for a long, I was thinking, I was looking for an answer on forum threads. What's the problem?, It seems like everything is accurate and balanced, technical abilities of 007 fit Black metal very well. But. Anyway. On Black, Death and Grindcore after couple of minutes of listening subconscious message doesn't allow to take full pleasure from music. A bass. Drums sound as if at peaks of signals sinusoidal tops are cut off plainly. Or in poles between "humps" of peaks of signals sand is filled up. Terribly unpleasant. The most probable reason for this - KGSS (not hv version) under-amplifies 007 MK2. At least on on fast extreme genres.
Power: No. Not enough of space for power-metal soul to take off. Too seriously it thumps, too heavy for a flight.
Progressive, Symphonic: Excessively heavy, especially on contrast with 009, there is no the wide and ringing emptiness, magical "nowhere" from which sounds of music appears. A closet - not a soundstage for Progressive and Symphonic metal.
Goth: Typically mediocre for vigorous cans. It is not a right time for and joyful run. It is better to sit and grieve in a cold of the night.
 
With a regret I has to note that if 009 on nonmetallic genres unambiguously make absolutely indelible impression, 007 on metal don't make such radical impression. Certainly 007 are among top of the top headphones, but they're not top of the top of the top )) I had no time for adaptation to 007 sound signature, couple of weeks is not enough? Perhaps. Not my sound? Possibly. But feelings from 009 listening were like "Wow...", from 007 it was more loke "Hmm, somehow something isn't perfect, it seems like cans XXX play it better". And even thus that as a rule XXX played at the similar level, but in a different way, 007 were by default considered as catching up...
Planning to try 007 later on more appropriate amplification.
 
Nov 11, 2014 at 8:14 PM Post #276 of 12,295
Curious about the God of Alternative, Doom, Heavy and Prog 
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Nov 12, 2014 at 1:58 AM Post #277 of 12,295
  Curious about the God of Alternative, Doom, Heavy and Prog 
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Doom and Prog (for instance) demands are controversal, so I'm afraid, God will have two faces at least )) 
 
Nov 12, 2014 at 10:13 AM Post #278 of 12,295
  Doom and Prog (for instance) demands are controversal, so I'm afraid, God will have two faces at least )) 

Keep digging! You're not trying hard enough 
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Nov 13, 2014 at 9:21 AM Post #279 of 12,295
  Doom and Prog (for instance) demands are controversal, so I'm afraid, God will have two faces at least )) 


Trying to remember if you posted on LCD2fazor?
 
Nov 13, 2014 at 9:33 AM Post #280 of 12,295
 
Trying to remember if you posted on LCD2fazor?

No, I posted marks for LCD-2 v 2 (no fazors), LCD-3 (fazors), LCD-3 (no fazors). Reviews are in production.
 
Nov 13, 2014 at 10:27 AM Post #281 of 12,295
  No, I posted marks for LCD-2 v 2 (no fazors), LCD-3 (fazors), LCD-3 (no fazors). Reviews are in production.


Cool. I appreciate your thoroughness
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I don't think I'd spring the extra $ for the 3 or X-1K kind of my endgame cost pouring the bulk of my $ in a speaker based system.
 
Nov 16, 2014 at 8:56 AM Post #283 of 12,295
  Thanks for the great thread.
I was searching for a review of the AKG K712 PRO that I saw on the first page table but I couldn't find one. Is it too close to Q701 so you didn't write a new one?

K712 is Q701's elder brother. They have many in common, but K712 are a cut above Q701.
I have a K712 review. In russian... (http://forum.doctorhead.ru/index.php?showtopic=26832). I just can't catch up with translation. So if someone here shows interest in headphones I already reviewed, I try to translate their review first. 
 
Nov 20, 2014 at 7:56 AM Post #285 of 12,295
  Thanks for the great thread.
I was searching for a review of the AKG K712 PRO that I saw on the first page table but I couldn't find one. Is it too close to Q701 so you didn't write a new one?

 
AKG K712 PRO
 
Initially I had an idea to listen 712 in comparison with 812, but at the first test it became clear that there is no sense in such a test. 812 and 712 are animals of obviously different levela (a top top level and a top middle level) and different character (ultra-bright with an average soundstage and darkish with a wide scene). Next I tried to compare 712 to Denons D600, again it made no sense, at fast switch from cans to cans it was too obvious, that D600 have very "non-flat" character. As a result I listened 712 in parallel with Senns 650. And in my opinion result are not in favor of 650, objectively, without discounts for a personal taste.
 
The character of cans a bit darkish, cool (as a matter of a fact I expected something brighter), fast and accurate. Relative darkness doesn't affect resolution, detail level is quite high. Mids are natural and have cold spirit. Soundstage is wide, not such a stadium as Senns 800 have, but scene is much wider than average, cans are airy . Headphones have enough bass for heavy genres, often there was a wish to get more slam, but generally we have enough of low frequencies. It seems reasonable to assume, that increase of bass pressure would lead to problems with a soundstage air
 
Positive
Symphonic: Natural niche for 712. Very broad soundstage, moderately sparkling treble, cool mids, adequate bass and flat overal balance.
Power: Space, speed. Compact and quite sufficient bass. Bit of brightness for fun. 
Industrial: Accurate and cold. Nice infrabass extention. Quantity of a bass - good or great? Perhaps Ultrasone 2900 Industrial interpretation is better, but if you to compare to any other middle level colleague - it's perfect.
Sludge, Stoner: There is no such a hard requirements to quantity of a bass as on Doom. Great mids, wide soundstage and easy sound flow make gestalt response with genre.
Black: Perfect - accurate, quick, with great bass control. It would be possible to add some punch on low frequencies, but then "air" would dissipate perhaps.
Progressive: It is predictably great. Vast soundstage, cool, technically perfect. 
 
Negative
Doom: There is no enough bass concentration (surprisingly just a little).
Death: Somewhat strange, but even more sharp transients, than 712 have, would be welcomed here and it would be great to add some bite at treble.
Grindcore: Here we seriously lack the bass slam, a wide sounstage becomes an obstacle for great Grindcore performance.
 
Overall, in my opinion, 712 today are the best cans for heavy genres on the middle level.
 

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