[Xplo]

I dunno how long it'll last, but Amazon had this card for $129.00 early this morning, and it looks like the deal is still going. They normally run $179+.

 

[gordolindsay]

Yeah, they've had it going on for a little while now. That's what made me buy the card instead of any of the others. I went to Guitar Center and told them I could get it for $129 on amazon and they matched it but I had to pay tax. But I got it right then so it was ok.

 

[third_eye]

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordolindsay Yeah, they've had it going on for a little while now. That's what made me buy the card instead of any of the others. I went to Guitar Center and told them I could get it for $129 on amazon and they matched it but I had to pay tax. But I got it right then so it was ok.

How do you like the 192? How does it compare with other high-end cards? I currently have the Revo 5.1 which I can still return for full credit if I decide to upgrade. Also considering the Julia at about the same price point.

 

[gordolindsay]

I'm very happy with this card right now. I havn't had a chance to listen to other cards so I can't honestly compare them. But I don't think you could do MUCH better from a soundcard. The sound is just so 'full' and musical and judging from the reviews, the EMU's will be more anylitical and detail oriented. Now, I'm definately not saying the AP192 doesn't have detail, because it does, plenty of it.

Between the AP192 and Juli@, I would think you'd be hard pressed to find a difference sound-wise. And for the Revo 5.1 I have no idea, hopefully it doesn't sound as good because that would be bad for me!!

Hopefully that helps a little bit.

 

[ReDVsion]

If the Revo sounds the same as the AP192 (and I doubt it does), it's probably the best soundcard deal out there.

 

[jiiteepee]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReDVsion If the Revo sounds the same as the AP192 (and I doubt it does), it's probably the best soundcard deal out there.

Technically Revolution 5.1 differs from Audiophile 192 and Revolution 7.1 so it just can't sound the same as the AP192 or Revo 7.1.


M-Audio Audiophile 192

<tech specs missing> Can someone fill this missing information.


M-Audio Revolution 7.1
DSP - Envy24HT http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/au...lers/envy24ht/
» 24-bit/192kHZ audio quality
» 8 outputs, 4 inputs

6-channel ADC AKM AK4355 24-bit 192 kHz, (THD+N -90 dB, DR 106 dB) http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/...55/ak4355.html
stereoDAC AKM AK4381 24-bit 192 kHz, (THD+N -94 dB, DR 108 dB)http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/...81/ak4381.html
24-bit 96 kHz stereoADC AKM AK5380, (THD+N -94 dB, DR 105 dB)http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/...80/ak5380.html
opamps - JRC5532

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/...-revolution71/

M-Audio Revolution 5.1
DSP - VIA Envy-24GT (http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/au...lers/envy24gt/)
» 24-bit/192kHZ digital resolution support
» 24-bit/96kHZ analog resolution support
» 6 outputs, 4 inputs

ADC - AKM AK5365VQ 24-bit 96kHz ADC with 5ch Selector, IPGA and ALC, ( S/(N+D) : 94dB, DR, S/N : 103dB) http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/...65/ak5365.html
DAC - AKM AK4358VQ 24-Bit 192kHz 8ch DAC with PCM/DSD input, (THD+N: -94dB, DR, S/N: 112dB) http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/...58/ak4358.html
opamps - JRC4580


jiitee

 

[Tachikoma]

Its rather difficult to judge a card by its technical specs...

question, anyone tried modding their m-audio cards?

 

[sgrossklass]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiiteepee M-Audio Audiophile 192 <tech specs missing> Can someone fill this missing information.

DAC AK4358, ADC AK5385A (like Juli@), Envy24HT, 4580s. Keep in mind that implementation details (analog stage!!!) are fairly important as well.

 

[jiiteepee]

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgrossklass DAC AK4358, ADC AK5385A (like Juli@), Envy24HT, 4580s. Keep in mind that implementation details (analog stage!!!) are fairly important as well.

hmmm..., like Juli@ ...

ADC AKM AK5385A - 114dB 192kHz 24-Bit Enhanced Dual Bit ADC
1. Sampling Rate: 8kHz ~ 216kHz
2. Full Differential Inputs
3. S/(N+D): 103dB
4. DR: 114dB
5. S/N: 114dB
6. High Performance Linear Phase Digital Anti_Alias filter
- Passband: 0~21.768kHz (@fs=48kHz)
- Ripple: 0.005dB
- Stopband: 100dB
7. Digital HPF
8. Power Supply: 5V ± 5%(Analog), 3.0 ~ 5.25V(Digital)
9. Power Dissipation: 183mW (@fs=48kHz)
10. Package: 28pin SOP / 28pin VSOP
11. AK5383/AK5393/AK5385A Semi-Pin compatible

Is there a noticeable difference on analog recording quality since

ESI Juli@
VIA Vinyl Envy24HT-S PCI Audio Controller
» 24-bit/192kHZ digital resolution support
» 20-bit/48kHZ analog resolution support
» 8 outputs, 4 inputs
» Designed for multimedia soundcards

M-Audio Audiophile 192
VIA Vinyl Envy24HT PCI Audio Controller
» 24-bit/192kHZ audio quality
» 8 outputs, 4 inputs
» Perfect for hi-end audio playback and recording

?

Latter specs were taken from http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/audio/controllers/

Is there any chance to replace Envy24 HT-S by Envy24 HT?

What means Semi-Pin compatibility mentioned above (11)?
Are those other two mentioned there 100% compatible with AK5385A?

jiitee

 

[ReDVsion]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiiteepee M-Audio Audiophile 192 VIA Vinyl Envy24HT PCI Audio Controller » 24-bit/192kHZ audio quality » 8 outputs, 4 inputs » Perfect for hi-end audio playback and recording

The AP192 does NOT have 8 outputs and 4 inputs. By my count, 1 analog in, 2 out, 1 digital in, 1 out.

 

[jiiteepee]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReDVsion The AP192 does NOT have 8 outputs and 4 inputs. By my count, 1 analog in, 2 out, 1 digital in, 1 out.

Who has claimed it would have?
M-Audio says 4x4 I/O Audio Card with digital I/O and MIDI.

As sgrossklass informed above, AP192 been equipped with Envy24 HT.
Information I gave, is for Envy24 HT, all taken from VIA -site, as I gave the link to the source.

Who's giving wrong information, or is it just so that M-Audio has not utilized all I/O's Envy24 HT is capable to?

jiitee

 

[sgrossklass]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiiteepee hmmm..., like Juli@ ... ADC AKM AK5385A - 114dB 192kHz 24-Bit Enhanced Dual Bit ADC [...] 11. AK5383/AK5393/AK5385A Semi-Pin compatible Is there a noticeable difference on analog recording quality since ESI Juli@ VIA Vinyl Envy24HT-S PCI Audio Controller » 24-bit/192kHZ digital resolution support » 20-bit/48kHZ analog resolution support [...] M-Audio Audiophile 192 VIA Vinyl Envy24HT PCI Audio Controller » 24-bit/192kHZ audio quality [...] ? [...] Is there any chance to replace Envy24 HT-S by Envy24 HT? What means Semi-Pin compatibility mentioned above (11)? Are those other two mentioned there 100% compatible with AK5385A?

The Juli@ has full 24/192 support so I guess the guys at ESI found some kind of trick to use the HT-S anyway (maybe they used the digital I/Os or such). Without a datasheet it's hard to tell whether the HT and HT-S are interchangeable (but even if they were, you wouldn't want to do it, since even people who are fairly firm in SMD soldering may be found sweating and cursing when soldering and unsoldering many-leg ICs). And as far as "semi pin compatible" is concerned, that is outlined in the AK5385A datasheet.

 

[jiiteepee]

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgrossklass The Juli@ has full 24/192 support so I guess the guys at ESI found some kind of trick to use the HT-S anyway (maybe they used the digital I/Os or such). Without a datasheet it's hard to tell whether the HT and HT-S are interchangeable (but even if they were, you wouldn't want to do it, since even people who are fairly firm in SMD soldering may be found sweating and cursing when soldering and unsoldering many-leg ICs). And as far as "semi pin compatible" is concerned, that is outlined in the AK5385A datasheet.

Would these pictures tell: 'it's not possible'?

jiitee

 

[sgrossklass]

It would seem that the HT would have to have more pins than the HT-S, if only for the 23- vs. 16-pin GPIO port. Wait... as per their specs, they both come in a 128-pin PQFP package, so probably the HT-S is just not using some. That's not hard to do for a semiconductor manufacturer.

I guess the trick used on the Juli@ is employing RDMA1 for input (both ADC and SPDIF) and PDMA4 for output (both DAC and SPDIF). The digital input and ADC won't be used at the same time anyway (if so, only for getting a timebase from the digital in, and that doesn't require audio data transfer), and the output setup would be similar to the AV-710's which has both the Wolfson DAC and digital out hanging off PDMA4, as possible per the block diagram. (Thus the Wolfson DAC is always active when using the digital out.) Since there is no need for multichannel output here, this neat kind of setup allows using the lowly HT-S chip for a "4-in/4-out" card, probably saving a few bucks. Pretty smart move I'd say.

 

[J-Pak]

How are M-Audio drivers? Still same price at amazon, tempted to get one.