[paradoxper]

No. You guys are just stupid, really. The Verto was moar bettar, but the Luminare is moar even bettar! ( I only just received an extra 64% off my order)

 

[Rico613]

  This continuing from eric65 regarding "RKV-II Amp and VERTO box" appears to be getting quite ridiculous.
Do others believe that the 'system' is being abused & this is virtual 'advertising' & has aspects off 'spamming' & 'trolling'?
 
John H

I think the title is clear about it being an RKV-II / Audio Valve VERTO box thread.  People can just stay away if they don't want to know about these.  Those who are interested can sort out facts vs opinions vs hype for themselves the same way they do on on threads.  Granted, it is not always easy . . . 

 

[jhai]

 
I think the title is clear about it being an RKV-II / Audio Valve VERTO box thread.  People can just stay away if they don't want to know about these.  Those who are interested can sort out facts vs opinions vs hype for themselves the same way they do on on threads.  Granted, it is not always easy . . . 

Yes, that is indeed a very fair comment!

 

[wink]

Quote:jhai

  This continuing from eric65 regarding "RKV-II Amp and VERTO box" appears to be getting quite ridiculous.
Do others believe that the 'system' is being abused & this is virtual 'advertising' & has aspects off 'spamming' & 'trolling'?
 
John H

It's eric's thread, so he can troll as much as he likes in it.
 
I use it for it's fun factor.
 
I also am waiting for him to get a hold of a BHSE, KGSSHV, KGST or DIYT2 so that he can put his obsession for thr RKV:Verto:Luminaire to bed and become the head of the Stax mafiosi in the EU.

 

[n3rdling]

It looks like nobody is falling for all the Virgo hyping.
 
Isn't that French forum run by a guy who sells all this stuff?

pierre_papaya or something I think.

 

[kevin gilmore]

And the Virgo is pretty much obsolete already because the Luminare is not self bias.
 
self bias is a very bad idea for modern headphones. May have worked ok for
esp6 and esp9, but that was 40 years ago.

 

[customcoco]

  .
 
Isn't that French forum run by a guy who sells all this stuff?

pierre_papaya or something I think.

The forum isn't run by Paya per se, but he has his own threads. Talk about conflict of interests...
 
It's been a while since I've been there though, but the last debate I've read was the audiophile equivalent of "Jews Vs. Muslims, Who's right ? When a Catholic steps in..."
 

 

 

[wink]

.... and the moderator was a hindu.

 

[Rico613]

namaste!
 

 

[eric65]

Kelvin Gilmore is right, it is likely that the Luminare (announced in the EU in November 2014) is even higher quality than the combo RKV-II + Verto (for various reasons discussed on the French forum). I hope the order before Christmas; I will keep the best of both amps.

 

[georgep]

  Kelvin Gilmore is right, it is likely that the Luminare (announced in the EU in November 2014) is even higher quality than the combo RKV-II + Verto (for various reasons discussed on the French forum). I hope the order before Christmas; I will keep the best of both amps.

 
That isn't what "Kelvin Gilmore" said - he doesn't think either is high quality, just that one by might be less crappy than the other. 

 

[eric65]

   
That isn't what "Kelvin Gilmore" said - he doesn't think either is high quality, just that one by might be less crappy than the other. 

 
Ok, with the Stax SR-009 : AudioValve Luminare amp (a priori) "less crappy" than combo AudioValve RKV-II + Verto, itself "less crappy" than Stax SRM-727 amp (with an  level of listening average at low), itself equal combo RKV-II + WEE, itself equal Eddie Current Electra amp (not significant difference), itself "less crappy" than Stax SRM-007t2 amp (significant difference) (see our tests : http://www.head-fi.org/t/677809/the-stax-thread-iii/3465#post_10998969).

 

[georgep]

   
Ok, with the Stax SR-009 : AudioValve Luminare amp (a priori) "less crappy" than combo AudioValve RKV-II + Verto, itself "less crappy" than Stax SRM-727 amp (with an  level of listening average at low), itself equal combo RKV-II + WEE, itself equal Eddie Current Electra amp (not significant difference), itself "less crappy" than Stax SRM-007t2 amp (significant difference) (see our tests : http://www.head-fi.org/t/677809/the-stax-thread-iii/3465#post_10998969).

 
You are missing the point - you were misquoting someone for an improper purpose. I was not looking for a reply as to how you or you colleagues might have preferred one particular sound over another.

 

[kevin gilmore]

The verto has the chicken and egg syndrome.
 
You can't have bias till you have the music, and the music into headphones without
the bias is a very bad idea. And playing music with the headphones disconnected
and then turning off the music to plug in the headphones is filled with mistakes.
(takes several minutes to build up the bias with reasonable listening levels)
 
So the luminare does not have this major defect. But it still has all the other issues
of a high impedance (at any reasonable level where the 90db of feedback of the opamp craps out)
amp driving poorly made transformers (not bifilar wound) resulting in frequency and phase response
issues. etc.
 
And now the price of 2700 euros, soon to be 2900 euros is getting into the price range where
a lot of better product can be had for less money. So there goes the cheap issue. And if you build
it yourself, half that much.
 
might as well take the rkv2 circuit, replace the output tubes with 6ca7 and do it right without
any transformers. Oops, then there are the output caps. etc.

 

[wink]

Kelvin sounds too hot or too cool depending on the degrees of your bias.  Kevin (sans the L) is the correct spelling. Kelvin if you will.
 
It seems our Gallic friend has an unfavorable bias toward European gear in preference to US or Jap iron.
 
Perhaps a Germanic Transistoramp V3 or V4 would set him on the path to Stax DIY audiophilia.
 
But, perhaps, that's a Cavalli of a different color..........